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Do you think there are Jews living in the Empire Of Japan in this world? If so, whats the Empire's attitude towards them? Do they allow them to exist? Do they have an agreement with the Reich not to support them?
There probably are secret Jews in Japan and Greater East Asia and they are probably watched by the various authorities. As long as they are non-political and do not proselytize they are left alone. In many of the colonies, sorry, I mean members they may have needed skills.Do you think there are Jews living in the Empire Of Japan in this world? If so, whats the Empire's attitude towards them? Do they allow them to exist? Do they have an agreement with the Reich not to support them?
In our world, the Empire of Japan was not anti-Semitic, quite the opposite, when they saw that the West considered Jews as rich and powerful creatures who controlled the world, Japan just thought they could befriend Jews to become rich and powerful and thus learn their secrets to dominate the world themselves, as an excuse for imperialism they considered Jews as Asians who were being oppressed by the West.There probably are secret Jews in Japan and Greater East Asia and they are probably watched by the various authorities. As long as they are non-political and do not proselytize they are left alone. In many of the colonies, sorry, I mean members they may have needed skills.
the way i'd heard it is that Japan took The Protocols of the Elders of Zion at face-value but didn't embrace the antisemitism that went with it--they started admiring the Jews because of it and wanted to recruit them to help with their own empire-building schemes, because surely an ancient people who secretly controlled the world must be really good at it to have gotten away with it for so longIn our world, the Empire of Japan was not anti-Semitic, quite the opposite, when they saw that the West considered Jews as rich and powerful creatures who controlled the world, Japan just thought they could befriend Jews to become rich and powerful and thus learn their secrets to dominate the world themselves, as an excuse for imperialism they considered Jews as Asians who were being oppressed by the West.
Japan made areas for Jewish refugees from Europe to migrate to and live in, such as in the Shanghai ghetto (that harbored more than 20.000 Jewish refugees) and in Harbin, they repeatedly ignored Germany's requests to hand them over and also arrested White Russian émigrés who commonly killed Jews, though despite all of that, Japan still saw Jews as useful idiots rather than human, and arrested many of them due to suspicion.
I could not find anything that implied Japan was trying to create a Jewish puppet state in the Greater East Asia Sphere, only to make Jews confined to restricted ghettos throughout Asia with the illusion of autonomous self-rule, perhaps Japan could have made the Jewish Autonomous Oblast bordering Manchukuo as a semi-independent Jewish puppet state after a successful Kantokuen, this is a thing that seriously impacts their relationship with Germany in an Axis victory world Cold War.
I could not find anything that implied Japan was trying to create a Jewish puppet state in the Greater East Asia Sphere
Since it's Turtledove, Japan on ITPOME would most certainly exterminate Jews as much as how in the book Italy continued with their extremely unpopular racial purity laws for some reason, even though if they won the war they would most certainly have abolished them, Mussolini himself said that he didn't agree with the racial laws and they were only a temporary political move.So from everything I've read, the Japanese themselves didn't much care one way or another.
I can't recall offhand if Turtledove touches on this issue or not in the book. Part of me thinks that the Reich put pressure on Japan to adopt the same policies, but I could be wrong (I DO know that this was discussed in High Castle, and in the show, Japan had aligned their race laws to that of the Reich, but didn't seem to actively pursue Jews.
My guess is that we'd see something similar to this. No government-orchestrated rounding up and murder. But if caught, the Japanese would likely execute Jews they caught. I am not sold on this position though. It would be interesting to see Jewish "survivors" in Japan.
Well they did execute Frank Frinks Jewish sister and children but let him live as we saw in a horrifying scene however the fact that they had that gassing room in place indicates its something they had done many times before....So from everything I've read, the Japanese themselves didn't much care one way or another.
I can't recall offhand if Turtledove touches on this issue or not in the book. Part of me thinks that the Reich put pressure on Japan to adopt the same policies, but I could be wrong (I DO know that this was discussed in High Castle, and in the show, Japan had aligned their race laws to that of the Reich, but didn't seem to actively pursue Jews.
My guess is that we'd see something similar to this. No government-orchestrated rounding up and murder. But if caught, the Japanese would likely execute Jews they caught. I am not sold on this position though. It would be interesting to see Jewish "survivors" in Japan.
Do you think there are Jews living in the Empire Of Japan in this world? If so, whats the Empire's attitude towards them? Do they allow them to exist? Do they have an agreement with the Reich not to support them?
Any updates or name list posts forthcoming ?
Depends on their relation with Germany. If their relationship with Germany is friendly then they might give in to German pressure. In Turtledoves Work Germany and Japan seem to be relatively even and seem to be in a open cold war. So Japan might allow Jews to live openly. They'd probably watch them heavily and crack down if they think their getting even mildly political but as long as Jews are quiet, subservient, and useful they might be allowed to live and even do things like openly have permanent Synagogues.
If relations with Germany got better and Germany offered enough to Japan that could easily change drastically.
Basically as long as Germany and Japan are enemies and Jews are useful things will go "good" for them.
There was actually 18-20.000 in Shanghai which became Japanese during WW2 ,and another 4,000 or so elsewhere-up to 24,000 survived in Japan or Japanese territory.,,, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire#During_World_War_IIAt the moment, sadly, no. Work and grad school has really kept me from much in the way of creative pursuits. If someone wanted to pick up some of the names that were asked about that I didn't get to, I'd be cool with that to keep this concept alive in the meantime.
You may have a point here. Japan is more on par with the strength of the Reich ITTL as opposed to MITHC, where Japan was painfully behind. That said, how many Jews were living in Japan/Japanese occupied territory IOTL? Some might have escaped to Japan afterwards to escape persecution, but it would be a low number. And I would definitely say that Jewish existence within Japan's realm would be on a whim, which would be very stressful to those Jews who did manage to live there.
Wow hard to believe its been over 1 year now that you began this timeline.I thought about it the other day when I saw an old picture of Julia Child. Looking forward to seeing more.Hey everyone!
I know it's been a minute. I'm currently on break and working on a few updates, and also hoping that maybe I can squeeze in some time this coming semester (maybe).
Here's a little teaser for you while I work on the next story update:
- Liberty Party Candidate: Benjamin Highland (59)
- Born in 1961, was 9 years old when WWIII broke out.
- Originally from California, where his parents had been professors before the war, he was placed in state care in 1971 while his parents were “reeducated” (father died in custody in 1974, mother was released in 1980).
- Worked in social services starting in the mid-1980s after university.
- Ended up in administration by the early 2000s and networked with dissenters as much as possible.
- When Congress passed the political liberalization act in 2013, he worked with this network to found the Liberty Party.
- Elected from Colorado as Congressman in 2014, and has served in that position ever since.
- Libs do play into nationalism, but more towards the “freedom and equality” bent than military greatness. Reject the racist policies of the FJP era. Dance a fine line with Germany - they don’t want a conflict, but they want full independence (eyeing partnerships with Brazil and Mexico - neutral about Japan).
- Highland’s “I remember when” speech that he gives at a campaign event on July 3rd is going to become a lightning rod, boosting his campaign and putting him neck-and-neck with Simpson (the New Federalist candidate).
Working on planning the "big arcs" that happen that the characters are going to have to navigate/survive.