Det som går ned må komme opp-An Alternate Royal Norwegian Navy TL

Chapter L
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Chapter L: Just Another Convoy

Stavanger, Late Morning, 11 July
Thirteen merchantmen were leaving the port to run to Oslo over the next 36 hours at 12 knots, with the need to have some distance from Kristiansand prolonging the journey. Ahead of them waited the destroyers Sleipner, Odin, Aeger and Heimdal, Commander Per Askim, senior officer, aboard Sleipner, the escort for the convoy. The convoy route to Oslo was known to have its fair share of U-Boats, while bombers had occasionally attacked previous convoys that were steaming too long in the daylight, and the threat of a sortie by the new German destroyers with 15cm guns was also a very real possibility.

The quartet of destroyers, now all ASDIC equipped as opposed to just Sleipner prewar, when she was equipped with a primitive set, picked up their first contact off the recaptured Egersund before the sun touched the horizon. An N-3PB flying ASW support assisted, while the pair of H-75’s flying CAP kept a watchful eye on the sky. Aeger broke off and made two passes at the U-Boat before running back to the convoy. The submarine would later limp into Kristiansand. After several similar encounters, with less success, the convoy arrived off Kristiansand in the early hours of the morning, where it received its first casualty. A freighter carrying small arms and munitions ate a torpedo in her bow section, luckily not by the munitions, and had to slow to 9 knots. Askim reluctantly left her behind, as he couldn’t risk allowing his entire convoy to be close enough for the bombers to hit from Kristiansand in the morning before air cover from Oslo arrived.

Half an hour later, white streaks were spotted on the water at about 8,000 yards, though they weren’t verified until 6,000 as S-Boats. Sleipner, on the convoy’s northern side, bucked as her quintet of 12cm rifles shot flame and sent their projectiles skywards. Odin followed with her four guns, while Heimdal increased speed and came around the fore end of the convoy to assist, Aeger remaining on the disengaged side to avoid nasty surprises from seaward.

A shell from Odin got lucky and smashed through one of the five oncoming targets, while the 4cm guns on the destroyers opened up soon after. Soon, another boat was crippled, this time by 4cm shells from Heimdal, and the final trio broke off just outside of torpedo range as the light guns on the defenders found the range. Not long after, a distress call from the damaged freighter was received.

As the first hints of sunlight appeared, the convoy was clear of Arendal and soon to be in range of fighter cover from Oslo. A shout was given, and the convoy began evasive maneuvers as torpedoes streaked in from starboard, only one finding a nice metal hull to detonate against, that being of a tanker, which shuddered but managed to only lose a knot, which Askim could tolerate, so the convoy slowed to eleven knots as Aeger, the best ASW ship, chased the torpedo tracks and got a target, as well as the reward of an oil slick after two passes.

Though uneasy from the sighting of a snooping Ju 88, the convoy continued on, with six dots being sighted ahead of the vessels 150 nautical miles from the entrance to Oslofjord. These were a half dozen H-75’s, much longer ranged than the D.XXI’s also in Oslo. Not far behind were a pair of N-3PB’s to hunt subs. The 88 ran away as a pair of 75’s closed on it, and the convoy reached Oslofjord just before lunch, greeted by a pair of torpedo boats that had survived the Battle of Horten and torpedoed the Lutzow. Continuing up the fjord, the convoy spotted one of the new minesweepers running trials, a C-class submarine docked in Horten, and the two new destroyers, Gyller and Alesund, under construction. Also in Horten was the recently refloated battleship Schlesien, sunk covering the evacuating Germans in June by torpedoes from the trio of MTB’s that were now legendary, which the Navy was trying to decide what to do with. The destroyers peeled off to Horten to refuel and rearm for the return journey, while the twelve merchantmen split up to go to their respective destinations. Per Askim could finally relax. Hopefully the next one would be this easy. They weren’t always.
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I doubt Schlesien will be worth anything more than scrap, or at best a blockship or floating battery. I wonder if the Norwegians and British will start to consolidate armament and ship designs for sake of efficiency in terms of supply/procurement, or if the existing production lines/orders' sunk cost is too much. Those Bofors 12-cm guns might as well be replaced with British 4.5" or 4.7" guns, assuming there is spare capacity.
 

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Glad to see the H-75 has proved useful. The Aircraft had further develop possibilities. It only received additional aerodynamic improvements late. The H-81 and XP-41/43 receiving them first. Newer variants of the P&W 1830/2000 engines went to other planes. The two speed and two stage supercharger engines only installed in experimental H-75s. Additionally, Curtiss sold assembly lines to Argentina and China. The parts for aircraft were assembled in those countries and India. I'm not sure if France received crated or unassembled planes.

Could Norway receive plans for the American PC and SC escorts? Schlesien's steel could be reused if Norway can process the metal. Or the steel can be exported in trade for other war goods.
 
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I doubt Schlesien will be worth anything more than scrap, or at best a blockship or floating battery. I wonder if the Norwegians and British will start to consolidate armament and ship designs for sake of efficiency in terms of supply/procurement, or if the existing production lines/orders' sunk cost is too much. Those Bofors 12-cm guns might as well be replaced with British 4.5" or 4.7" guns, assuming there is spare capacity.
Yeah, I’m not planning on her doing anything major. As for Bofors guns, the Norwegians are operating from their own bases and are next to Sweden, so they currently aren’t having much trouble with logistics. Apart from escorting convoys, their ships rarely leave Norwegian waters.
 
Are the Norwegians going to be getting some Hunt destroyers soon like in otl?
They have 6 DDs atm plus two building, not to mention a batch of escorts, the RNN could probably use them but doesn’t need them.
Glad to see the H-75 has proved useful. The Aircraft had further develop possibilities. It only received additional aerodynamic improvements late. The H-81 and XP-41/43 receiving them first. Newer variants of the P&W 1830/2000 engines went to other planes. The two speed and two stage supercharger engines only installed in experimental H-75s. Additionally, Curtiss sold assembly lines to Argentina and China. The parts for aircraft were assembled in those countries and India. I'm not sure if France received crated or unassembled planes.

Could Norway receive plans for the American PC and SC escorts? Schlesien's steel could be reused if Norway can process the metal. Or the steel can be exported in trade for other war goods.
Right now, Norway is just getting some through LL, and the R&D department is currently working on Fokker plans brought from the Netherlands, though if the US comes out with new variants the Norwegians wouldn’t have a problem with that.

The Norwegians actually already have the plans, having built 8 sub-chasers locally in the thirties, though most got sunk in Weserubung, and they are based off WW1 USN sub chasers. As for Schlesien, if she’s scrapped, I’m not certain what to do with the steel.
 
Yeah, I’m not planning on her doing anything major. As for Bofors guns, the Norwegians are operating from their own bases and are next to Sweden, so they currently aren’t having much trouble with logistics. Apart from escorting convoys, their ships rarely leave Norwegian waters.

I know this isn't likely to happen, but for supreme irony points you could have the Schlesien be part of the covering bombardment for the invasion of Poland?
 
I know this isn't likely to happen, but for supreme irony points you could have the Schlesien be part of the covering bombardment for the invasion of Poland?
The Poles already sank Schleswig Holstein which fired the first shots of the war at Westerplatte, if you’re looking for irony.
 
Also in Horten was the recently refloated battleship Schlesien, sunk covering the evacuating Germans in June by torpedoes from the trio of MTB’s that were now legendary, which the Navy was trying to decide what to do with

As hilarious as it would be to have a refloated german predreadnought battleship serving for norway, it's not practical at all. perhaps not even taking the guns as coastal fortifications due to the logistical and underwater damage hurdles.
 
Some M2 Tanks were supplied, which the Norwegians began training with eagerly after seeing the effectiveness of tanks firsthand in the battles around Oslo and Stavanger.
Just saying, but M2 tanks were crap and totally obsolete by the time they entered service. But since there are no German tanks in Norway (and probably never will), they can do a correct job as infantry support.

Chapter L: Just Another Convoy
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Wouldn't the convoys to Oslo be supported with cruisers? After all, it's one of the few routes in the Atlantic with a surface threat. Plus, an AA cruiser could help coordinate the air cover. Finally, it was common for WW2 convoys with an higher than normal surface threat to have a distant cover force.
I'm sure that the RN and the Home Fleet will be happy to detach forces for this as it can be used to lure whatever surface forces the Germans still have. ITTL, the RN have basically no surface threat in the Atlantic and they have the French support in the Mediterranean, so they can easily spare 1 CL with the convoy (probably under Norwegian command) and 2/3 CA and and destroyer squadron for a distant cover force.
 
Will there be something like this?

In 1943, Norway is given an Bogue-class escort carrier, while several carrier-based squadrons are formed to operate in both it's carrier and the british ones.
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(Either as a reward for helping defending their homeland OR Britain request for defending their homeland) An token force of army (brigade), aircraft and naval vessels are send to the Indian/Pacific ocean to support the Allied offensives against Japan
 
Just saying, but M2 tanks were crap and totally obsolete by the time they entered service. But since there are no German tanks in Norway (and probably never will), they can do a correct job as infantry support.
They are more for use as training, since Norway’s armored force until now consists of of a single L-120, which is even worse.
Wouldn't the convoys to Oslo be supported with cruisers? After all, it's one of the few routes in the Atlantic with a surface threat. Plus, an AA cruiser could help coordinate the air cover. Finally, it was common for WW2 convoys with an higher than normal surface threat to have a distant cover force.
I'm sure that the RN and the Home Fleet will be happy to detach forces for this as it can be used to lure whatever surface forces the Germans still have. ITTL, the RN have basically no surface threat in the Atlantic and they have the French support in the Mediterranean, so they can easily spare 1 CL with the convoy (probably under Norwegian command) and 2/3 CA and and destroyer squadron for a distant cover force.
The Germans haven’t sortied against the convoys once so far with anything above an S-Boat, but yes that would be a good option.
Will there be something like this?

In 1943, Norway is given an Bogue-class escort carrier, while several carrier-based squadrons are formed to operate in both it's carrier and the british ones.
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(Either as a reward for helping defending their homeland OR Britain request for defending their homeland) An token force of army (brigade), aircraft and naval vessels are send to the Indian/Pacific ocean to support the Allied offensives against Japan
I don’t really see how they could man a carrier, even a small one, or maybe even keep her in operation for long, given that carriers are extremely expensive to operate compared to other vessels. As for the Pacific, why? It’s very far away, the Allies can get their own forces there easier, and Norway’s main opponent is Germany, who still reigns supreme over the continent, close to Norway. The Allies, especially with the French staying in the fight, have a lot more to spare than OTL.
 
A little off subject, but with the French continuing in the fight what exactly does that give the allies to use? What planes managed to escape? How many troops? Tanks? And also, how much of the French navy managed to join the allies? Battleships, cruisers, destroyers, and submarines? If the forces available are significant enough it could cause major troubles for the Italians who historically outnumbered the British for a fair chunk of the war.
 
A little off subject, but with the French continuing in the fight what exactly does that give the allies to use? What planes managed to escape? How many troops? Tanks? And also, how much of the French navy managed to join the allies? Battleships, cruisers, destroyers, and submarines? If the forces available are significant enough it could cause major troubles for the Italians who historically outnumbered the British for a fair chunk of the war.
Mers-al-Kebir OTL had 4 battleships , 6 destroyers plus light vessels and support. Dakar had a battleship, 2 cruisers and 4 destroyers. In France itself Toulon had 3 battleships, 7 cruisers , 15 destroyers and a hundred lighter vessels when the Germans launched Case Anton. Not all are new but the Italians get really screwed ( lack of range means most French vessels are better off operating in the Med and freeing RN vessels to go elsewhere.
 
A little off subject, but with the French continuing in the fight what exactly does that give the allies to use? What planes managed to escape? How many troops? Tanks? And also, how much of the French navy managed to join the allies? Battleships, cruisers, destroyers, and submarines? If the forces available are significant enough it could cause major troubles for the Italians who historically outnumbered the British for a fair chunk of the war.
They got a few hundred thousand men out, though the equipment is lacking, most of the still floating MN got away, and a large number of planes got away as well, though they aren’t all good aircraft.
 
Mers-al-Kebir OTL had 4 battleships , 6 destroyers plus light vessels and support. Dakar had a battleship, 2 cruisers and 4 destroyers. In France itself Toulon had 3 battleships, 7 cruisers , 15 destroyers and a hundred lighter vessels when the Germans launched Case Anton. Not all are new but the Italians get really screwed ( lack of range means most French vessels are better off operating in the Med and freeing RN vessels to go elsewhere.

In truth only the Dunkirque and Strassbourg are worth a damn, the Richielieu and Jean Bart still need completing and the other battleships are manpower sinks and should stick to convoy escorting if you want to employ them or lay them up in Mers Al Kebir to save on manpower and make sure the cruisers, DDs and Dunk's are fully operational whilst sending the Rich and Jean Bart to the USA to be completed or complete them at Mers if possible.
The cruisers and DD's are good for work in the Med because of their limited range, but they should help bottle the Italians up, especially when working with the RN.
 
Richelieu shouldn't take that much effort to complete especially since she won't be damaged via a gun duel and air raids. Jean Bart on the other hand is a lost cause as far as completion during the war unless her second turret and the guns for it(and ideally some spares) magically appear in the UK
 
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Since France is fighting on in this timeline, the most important thing for the allies is access to the French gold reserves in North Africa. IIRC, the Czech and Polish gold reserves were also in French North Africa as well.
 
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