Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Yeah, but to get New Swabia, you'll 1st have to run off the Nazis and their alien collaborators, from their secret under-ice bases
The Treaty ended the Italian War that lasted from 1521-1526. In it France renounced all claims to Italy, surrendered Burgundy to Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, and abandoned sovereignty over Flanders and Artois
This is a map that Wiki uses in their entry for the Kingdom of Poland 1916-18. Pretty straightforward, indicates the areas of the German Empire and A-H Empire occupation zones. But, I've noticed the mapmaker added some territory to the German Empire that I can't figure out the source for. I know the little salient south of Czestochowa is probably to indicate the coal-mining district around Dabrowa, which the Germans mentioned in one of the secret protocols to the Treaty of B-L, but I can't figure out the larger area in the northeast between Augustow and Lomza. Does anyone know of an actual source for this transfer, or is it possibly just a creative interpretation by the cartographer? I'm unaware of any "official" annexations of any of the Congress Kingdom/Privislinsky Krai territory by the German Empire, since they could never agree on the size of the "Polish Border Strip" that Ludendorff and Bethmann-Hollweg wanted to take...
Yeah, I 1st thought it was maybe just some "creative license" on the part of the cartographer, but the discrepancies seem to be fairly carefully drawn, like he had sourced them from something. The map is of Polish origin apparently, so I thought the author may have had access to some source that I don't.
From the DC Statehood thread in Future History:
Sounds a lot like this 1970s proposal:
The problem here becomes: how many people live within the area delineated by the proposal?
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If I'm reading that right, literally the only people in that area would be the President and those members of their family living in the Executive Residence.
Russia's plans for World War I, now in QBAM!
* Annexing Constantinople, the Lower Niemen River basin, and Eastern Galicia
* Giving Alsace-Lorraine back to France, Schleswig-Holstein to Denmark, and re-establishing the Kingdom of Hannover
* Granting land from Germany and Austria-Hungary to the Kingdom of Poland, presumably ones with a Polish majority
* Splitting up Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy into three parts: Austria, Hungary, and Bohemia.
* Giving Bosnia, Herzegovina, Dalmatia, and northern Albania to Serbia
Source: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/war_aims_and_war_aims_discussions_russian_empire
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Wasn't the plan for Hannover just to separate it from Prussia, though?
Or was that ever clarified?
Or was that ever clarified?
From what I've read, it seemed like they intended to make it an independent nation.
I figured most of it would be offered to the UK, to restore the old pre-1837 personal union between the UK and Hanover...
Also think that France would demand more than just Alsace-Lorraine back, definitely take the Saarland and maybe Pfalz, and would attempt to seize a big slice of Rhenish Prussia as reparations. Of course this is supposed to represent plans, not consequences.
I like the map (not what it depicts!), but I find the use of post-1945 boundaries in East Prussia and Galicia a bit puzzling. I think in reality an Entente victory which included Russia on the winning side would result in far uglier consequences for Germany, A-H, and possibly Bulgaria, but this map is a plausible enough starting point for the eventual "slicing of the cake"...
Nice but Russian Poland there includes Kholm governorate which was actually split off from Poland in 1912 (I think it had a Ukrainian plurality or majority):
Kholm Governorate (Russian Empire) - Wikipedia
I would also expect that Galicia would be split between Poland (West Galicia) and Russia proper as it were (East Galicia) according to the subdivisions then in existence for Galicia so it might not look exactly like that.
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Bring back the Habsburg Empire and you can have all 4 with bonus Romanians, Italians, and Slavs!