Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread III

It is good to see Nan being comfortable enough to laugh around the Kaiser and think of him and Charlotte as her "Aunt and Uncle", this may show that Nan is than resilient enough to overcome the trauma that she has experienced and grow up healthy.
I also find it funny when the Kaiser and his family is presented to us like they are "Middle-Class Suburbanites" and as an added note it seems that Louis really likes living in the Penthouse which brings another question from me how is the construction of a new palace if there is one going?
It seems that both Nella and Nan have a bit of hero worship for Kiki and hopefully Kiki will not try to put a damper on their feelings,

Young Manfred has just entered the in to the Americans radar as an up and coming future leader in the German military and finding out that Young Manfred is the Grandson of the legendary Red Baron and the nephew of the Tigress has really impressed Richie and friends and that shooting display by Manfred is just too disheartening for the Americans.
The Americans should play nice with their host and throw an American Style Barbeque and cookout with hamburgers, Hot Dogs, baked beans, Cole Slaw, smoked pork with Texas or Kanas City Style sauce.
 
The Americans should play nice with their host and throw an American Style Barbeque and cookout with hamburgers, Hot Dogs, baked beans, Cole Slaw, smoked pork with Texas or Kanas City Style sauce.
Poor poor Americans...
Hamburger and Hot Dogs? Meat patty or bad sausage in a bun? THIS IS GERMANY the nation of sausage and rolls so that will not be that impressive.
Baked Beans? What the hell is bad english breakfast fare doing here...
Coleslew? In the land of Sauerkraut and other cabbage dishes that is also not that impressive.
Now the slow smoked pork or ribs I can get behind... yum.
 

ferdi254

Banned
If you are going for good american food: Jambalaya, Chicken on a beer can, crawfish with potatoes and onion, green tomatoes, lobster rolls... could add some more.
 
To be fair, there's a certain US marine corps sniper that would enjoy a visit to Laupheim. And I doubt Manny or anyone else, bar a few greats would put him to shame.

Unless he joined the Army ITTL instead...
 
To be fair, there's a certain US marine corps sniper that would enjoy a visit to Laupheim. And I doubt Manny or anyone else, bar a few greats would put him to shame.
I have yet to determine what Hathcock is up to in TTL, considering that the Marines had him working as an MP for much of the time he was in Vietnam in OTL anything is possible.
 
I have yet to determine what Hathcock is up to in TTL, considering that the Marines had him working as an MP for much of the time he was in Vietnam in OTL anything is possible.

I think it might be possible that at this point the US military still sees 'sniper' as a dirty word. This is a point of view that generally only gets cured by a dose of reality, which they were spared so far.

It might take some time and quite a bit of bloodshed before the US is ready to consider the concept of a heroic sniper.
 

PNWKing

Banned
I don't think Hathcock is the Marine Corps sniper. I'm guessing either Oswald or Whitman. Also, I think "Carter" might be this person's last name. Think of somebody with that last name who was involved with the US Navy.
 
Will Jimmy Carter run for office ITTL as well after his navy days are done?

Assuming it's the same Carter (and I also think that it is) then in OTL he left the navy in 1953 when his father died and then got into politics through his opposition to segregation in the south. Here its already 1966 and with a promotion and command of a new guided missile cruiser he is probably on course for flag rank. I'm guessing no to politics.
 
It is good to see Nan being comfortable enough to laugh around the Kaiser and think of him and Charlotte as her "Aunt and Uncle", this may show that Nan is than resilient enough to overcome the trauma that she has experienced and grow up healthy.
I also find it funny when the Kaiser and his family is presented to us like they are "Middle-Class Suburbanites" and as an added note it seems that Louis really likes living in the Penthouse which brings another question from me how is the construction of a new palace if there is one going?
It seems that both Nella and Nan have a bit of hero worship for Kiki and hopefully Kiki will not try to put a damper on their feelings,

Young Manfred has just entered the in to the Americans radar as an up and coming future leader in the German military and finding out that Young Manfred is the Grandson of the legendary Red Baron and the nephew of the Tigress has really impressed Richie and friends and that shooting display by Manfred is just too disheartening for the Americans.
The Americans should play nice with their host and throw an American Style Barbeque and cookout with hamburgers, Hot Dogs, baked beans, Cole Slaw, smoked pork with Texas or Kanas City Style sauce.

The OTL British Royals come across as "Middle-Class Suburbanites" as well, or at least they try to be. This may be partly them trying to be as normal as they possibly can within the golden birdcage/fishbowl that they live in (remember, everybody expects them to live & behave in a certain way), and partly them being condescending in the literal meaning; deliberately altering their behaviour & manner of speech in order to make those in a lower societal strata feel at ease in their presence.

I don't think that Ritchie & friends have yet figured out that Manfred the Younger is the Tigress' nephew. They are aware that Hans is his father & Manfred the Elder is his grandfather, but I get the impression that they haven't quite put 2 and 2 together in regards to Kat yet. As for the whole BBQ thing, best save that for when the KSK shows up for the reciprocal training visit in the US.

The Americans do know that's how these things usually work, right?
 
Assuming it's the same Carter (and I also think that it is) then in OTL he left the navy in 1953 when his father died and then got into politics through his opposition to segregation in the south. Here its already 1966 and with a promotion and command of a new guided missile cruiser he is probably on course for flag rank. I'm guessing no to politics.
Or for the first time, an Admiral gets into the White House; we've had some generals.
 
I also find it funny when the Kaiser and his family is presented to us like they are "Middle-Class Suburbanites" and as an added note it seems that Louis really likes living in the Penthouse which brings another question from me how is the construction of a new palace if there is one going?
Louis Sr. did spend a good number of his youthful days as less of a royal and more as a businessman/car enthusiast. It could be that seeping into his lifestyle. And he's also kind of broke now and have to go into austerity mode for a while.

It seems that both Nella and Nan have a bit of hero worship for Kiki and hopefully Kiki will not try to put a damper on their feelings.
Kiki being Kiki, she probably would, but in a socially awkward manner that her way younger "siblings" would later shrug off i.e. the dinner with Vicky's (?) girlfriend.

The Americans should play nice with their host and throw an American Style Barbeque and cookout with hamburgers, Hot Dogs, baked beans, Cole Slaw, smoked pork with Texas or Kanas City Style sauce.
Not sure if you can beat the Germans at the sausage game on their home turf, but boy, do I want some burgers now (and it's 10am in the morning)...

I think it might be possible that at this point the US military still sees 'sniper' as a dirty word. This is a point of view that generally only gets cured by a dose of reality, which they were spared so far.

It might take some time and quite a bit of bloodshed before the US is ready to consider the concept of a heroic sniper.
What's the next meatgrinder that the US Army can stick its dick into? Central/South America?

I don't think Hathcock is the Marine Corps sniper. I'm guessing either Oswald or Whitman. Also, I think "Carter" might be this person's last name. Think of somebody with that last name who was involved with the US Navy.
Last we see him, Oswald's an Embassy Guard in Berlin. He could be transferred....?

Isn't he a USN ONI officer at the moment who has just left Trieste after a conversation with Louis Jr?
Commander (now Captain) Carter was the CO of USS Blue and due to take over the guided missile cruiser Gridley (?).

Marc A
 
Part 108, Chapter 1763
Chapter One Thousand Seven Hundred Sixty-Three



20th October 1966

Plänterwald-Treptow, Berlin

It was quiet here even though it was in the middle of a large city, Kat had to give it that much. Looking around at the trees, the leaves were still on the trees and it was hardly a wonder that Louis liked the place. She had come to take a look for herself when Louis had spoken of it the last time they had talked. He said that he was going to be out of town on personal business and had asked Kat to keep an eye on this project in his absence. Kat suspected that if she found out where a car show or similar event was happening this week it would be where he could be found.

This was to be the sight of the new Winter Residence and the secrecy surrounding the project was intense and the architect was in discussions with the firm contracted to clear the area so that the footing for the building’s foundation could be laid down next spring. Kat knew that eventually what this plot of previously unused patch of land situated on the point of a bend in the River Spree was to be used for would leak out and then security would become a major headache. While Louis Ferdinand was content to live in the penthouse apartment that Kat leased to him for now, he felt that he would need to establish a permanent location for the Royal Court to conduct its business without the hurdles associated with the former Winter Palace which was used only for official functions. Even without the security concerns of the old Residence with its location on a major thoroughfare and residential buildings right next to it, the wiring was an improvised, obsolete fire hazard and the heating bill alone would have eventually bankrupted the Hohenzollern trust.

Recently, Louis had signed the papers leasing the Hohenzollern Palace to the Government. The plan was for the Palace to become the Berlin-Brandenburg Museum of History after substantial renovations were complete. It seemed the perfect use for a building where much of that history had taken place over the previous two and a half centuries. The new Winter Residence was going to be just large enough to serve its official function but would lack the imposing nature of the buildings that past Emperors had used. The area around it was to remain wooded to help ensure the family’s privacy.

In many ways the new residence would reflect Louis’ interpretation of the role that he played within German society, one that couldn’t be more different from his father and grandfather. Kat had seen the public opinion polling that had been conducted where the questions about Louis Ferdinand and the Royal family had been asked. While she didn’t put a whole lot of weight on such things, people seemed to think that Louis was approachable and seemed to understand ordinary people. It wouldn’t be too hard to guess what people might have had to say about an infamous womanizer like Louis’ father and they probably would have been even less complementary towards Wilhelm the II after the First World War and Spring Revolution almost upended the country.



Laupheim, Württemberg

The matronly woman who met him the entrance to the Amelie Beese Barracks, had looked Louis in the eye and told him that she didn’t give a shit who he was, the regulations said that no man was allowed into the Barracks without prior authorization and an escort. She pointed to a chair and told him to wait. The woman was wearing the uniform of an Oberstabsfeldwebel in the Luftwaffe and the turbine mechanics patch on her sleeve showed her specialty when she wasn’t playing den mother to the women’s barracks in Laupheim. Neither Louis nor his security detail were inclined to argue with her. She was perhaps a meter and a half tall and weighed in at 45 kilos but had the disposition of a rottweiler. The regulations were also firmly on her side.

Those who violated them were asking for a visit from the Tigress looking to sharpen her claws according to popular belief. Considering that Louis knew the Tigress extremely well, he was all for encouraging that belief though mostly because his daughter was living here at the moment.

This was far different than when Louis had made his last visit to Laupheim just days earlier. That had been in an official capacity. This time it was because he needed to talk to Kristina of a matter of great importance.

After several minutes of waiting, Louis was escorted by the Oberstaber and another equally formidable looking Stabsgefreiter who was about ten years younger through the barracks. The feel was certainly different than most barracks he had been in. There were the expected bulletin boards, notices, charts, and motivational posters on the walls. The horizontal spaces were where the similarities ended, a vase with red roses in it were on one table, another had a goldfish bowl with two goldfish moving the red gravel around the bowl oblivious to the world around them. He couldn’t imagine either of those things being seen or lasting as long as they apparently had here in a typical barracks.

The Oberstaber knocked on a door, until Kristina answered. Her hair was still wet from the shower and she was wearing one of those oversized blue and white striped shirts that she had slept in since she was a child. Louis had been told that she had been dragooned into being the Liaison Officer for an upcoming joint operation with the Americans. Until the last week neither the troops from the German KSK nor those from the American 1st SFG had shown much inclination to work together. Neither of them had made it easy for Kristina as she had tried to get them to see that they had a common goal.

“You look tired” Louis said as he entered her room. As a Stabsarzt she was entitled to have it to herself, Kristina wasn’t alone though because Rauchbier greeted him.

“I’ve been busy” Kristina said. She was unlikely to say that she had to deal with small minded men with outsized egos all day, but it was the truth and that had to be exhausting.

“I’ve news for you, you’ve been extended an invitation to join the Johanniter Order” Louis said, only to see the frown on Kristina’s face deepen. Somewhere along the line, she had come to hate what she felt was being offered to her by virtue of her birth as opposed to merit. For Louis it had come to be a bit of an annoyance.

“Your stepmother suggested that your name be put forward to join the Order” Louis said, “I thought that the more conservative members would never allow it, but I was told that they have come to feel that a woman entering the order is an inevitability. They feel that a young woman with your accomplishments would be a perfect candidate to be a Knight… er, Dame, I guess you would be called that, of Honor. If nothing else, it will get you away from here for a couple of days.”

Kristina just looked at him, confused.
 
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OK, I'll throw his name into the ring: James Carter - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff by 1990 ITTL.
If the German forces have an invitational shooting trophy, (The Fritz Schafer Trophy?), then Hathcock, who had been a prize winning target shooter while an MP before becoming a sniper, could become an international invitee. Especially if there is a reciprocal visit by the KSK to the 1st SFG, as it's likely he'll come to their attention at some point then.

That does depend on a reciprocal visit mind you.
 
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