Alternate Ideologies

[Višeslav]

Psychological Onirico-Parliamentarism

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A political ideology inspired by the Swiss psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung who lived across the second half of the the XIXth century and the first half of the XXth century and worked for a while in collaboration with the more famour Sigmund Freud. The Jungian paradigm shared some commonalities with Freudian psychoanalysis in that it assumed the existence of an influential unconscious, of impulses and drives, of the meaning bearing function of dreams, and of the re-enactment of meaningful past relationships in new meaningful encounters (a.k.a transference). It was also distinct from Freudian theory in assuming the existence of a Collective Unconscious that was common to all humans and contained shared instinctive patterns called Archetypes that could be expressed through acts, words and symbols, and in that sense, focused more on the creative capacity of humans to build new symbols and myths. It also was less interested in sexuality and more in the psychological tenants of religion.


IOTL, Jung and his paradigm got actually a bit involved in politics during the rise of nazi Germany. On one hand, Jung was quite in awe (and later horrified) with the capacity of Hitler to master symbols and incarnate archetypal figures, on the other, the nazis found in his theory the opportunity to turn the Collective Unconscious into a racial unconscious that would fit will within their doctrine of aryan superiority (and most importantly, he was, unlike Freud, not Jewish). Ensues a whole mess with him accepting a big job by the nazis in the 30s, some will say to have a position where he could protect his Jewish colleagues, others will say to have enough influence to diminish Freud’s influence, whichever way, his appointment didn’t fit that well nazi expectations and he resigned before WWII. After WWII broke out, he was contacted by the OSS (American secret services) and worked as a secret agent for the Allies, providing psychological profiles, including a report predicting that Hitler would end up committing suicide.


ITTL, the Jungian paradigm catches on in the realms of politics in many democratic countries and relies on a central tenet: to pass laws that benefits the multitude outside them, politicians must tap deep into the multitude within themselves.

Political System: Ensues the following principles of politics :

• The Great Dream : Politicians can only take part in an election if they formulate a Great Dream that came to them one night and demonstrates that politics is their True Calling. This Great Dream and its interpretation by the politician are passed under review by a council composed of 50% elected officials to a similar post and 50% randomly picked citizens. Any attempts to plagiarise dreams from other politicians leads to direct unelectability.
  
  
• Archetypal Incarnation : for the highest offices, such as President, the election is done in 4 rounds. For the 1st and 2nd round, think French system (1st round to pick the two main candidates, 2nd round to choose between the two). For the 3rd round all citizens write in the voting booth a single word they associate with the new President, and after a week of national semantic analysis, all associations are organised into lexico-semantic clusters, and the two clusters that are the most popular in number of associations are both summarised into a single world. The two resulting words, or Archetypes, are presented for the 4th round of vote. The winning archetype will be associated with the President. Indeed the President can only be President if they incarnate something that echoes with the psyche of the people.
  
  If the newly elected President is truly popular, then they may get in office with an archetype such as Robert “the Just” Bronstow or Philippa “the Generous” Kriesling, but if they got elected because they were the least worse choice out of two terrible choices for the major part of the population, then they may end up as President Timothy “the Knobhead” Gavinson.
  
  
• The Challenge of Intuitive Debating : Rationality is a good basis for politics, but to be a worthy representative of the people, politicians must be able to venture beyond their rationality. This is exemplified in the practice of Intuitive Debate, which unfolds in 3 distinct stages (about 1 hour each).
  • The 1st Stage (the Rational Stage) is a classical debate where politicians can use notes, answer to the questions of experts and members of the public and criticise each other’s positions and policies.
  • The 2nd Stage (the Intuitive Stage) is pure improvisation: politicians have no notes, no questions, no themes, they are merely on stage with each other and… whatever must emerge in that moment will emerge (though physical violence is forbidden).
  • The 3rd Stage (the Synthetic Stage) is the opportunity for the experts and the public to ask questions about the 2nd stage, comparing it and contrasting it with the 1st Stage. At the end, the public votes, if the majority of voters is satisfied with the debate, then it is considered concluded, if the majority of voters is not satisfied. Then the debate must resume on the next day for another 3 hours.

The goal here is to push the politicians away from their well structured rational programmes and force them to tap into their creative depths, which are deemed to provide a necessary counterbalance in order to build a complete picture of their political intentions.

Social Organisation
In Onirico-parliamentarism, society is organised around the capacity to create in ways that carry meaning.

• Creative Duty : It is part of the duty of every citizen to engage in creative practice, whether it be art, crafts, or anything that carries uniqueness and novelty. Scientific and Artistic discipline are constantly encouraged to cross over.
• Mixed Education: this crossover is also present in the education system, based around a principle of 50% rationality and 50% irrationality. E.g : a History exam would be 50% Essay on a predefined theme, 50% creating an alternate history timeline. A Physics Exams would be 50% solving thermodynamics equations, 50% creating an addition to Newtonian Laws.
• Meaning Seeking: the culture celebrates the capacity to seek, create, and find meaning in all endeavours. Individuals who are considered too shallow or too materialistic tend to be patronised. A lack of capacity to interact with one’s inner world is seen as a hurdle towards everyday socialisation : “how can you relate to me if you cannot relate to yourself?”.

Good and Bad forms

Individualist good guys: “Be who you were always meant to be”. This is a society that is all about self-actualisation. True harmony is achieved when every citizen excels in a form of art or practice that uses their talents to the fullest. Life is about finding one’s true calling, and then putting one’s energy and skills into forever pushing this calling further. A true great dream is never achieved, but always pursued. State ensures healthy work-life balance, public education until 21, and living wage for artists.

Collectivist good guys: “ True meaning is shared meaning” . This is a society that is all about culture. True harmony is achieved when every citizen contributes to the national culture with the fruits of their own creation. Life is about finding one’s true calling, and then putting one’s energy and skills into integrating the products of this calling into the national culture. The true measure of a country’s happiness and achievement is the continuity and constant renewal of its culture. State regulates all wages based on a framework of Unconditional Lifelong Salary, public education is free for all, and all citizens must take 1 month off work per year to focus on contributing to the national culture.

Individualist bad guys: “ True meaning is never granted, it must be earned. “ . This is a society that is all about excellence. True harmony is achieved when the most talented citizens are given free reign to turn their dreams into grandiose symbolic achievements, becoming creative leaders, with immense talents and resources at their disposal. Competition is encouraged from a very early age to ensure that the children with the best intuition and creative skills are quickly identified and provided with the education they deserve in order to achieve their masterpieces, be they in science or art. Citizens with Great Dreams but no resources are scorned and encouraged to be more realistic. State oversees the allocation of resources, education is fully privatised, artists who do not contribute to the economy must either find a job, or work for the creative leaders and get a state subsidy.

Collectivist bad guys: “ A citizen’s worth is found in his contribution to the culture”. This is a society that is all about gigantic works. True harmony is achieved when all citizens work together towards the building of a Great Work that will shine for the centuries to come. Life is about being given a role in an art, craft, or science, and work alongside many other citizens into building cultural or scientific creations as designed by one of the great cultural leaders of the country. The Grand Leader is the most meaningful of all Archetypes and the dreams of each citizen converge towards the Grand Leader. The true measure of a country’s achievement is the scale of its cultural sites and scientific facilities. State allocates children in specialised education curriculum depending on their assessment, all work is coordinated and paid by the state.

This is some real well thought out, high effort stuff. I love it! Thank you for posting in this thread.

 

[Jfoul]

Thanks, folks! Glad it's appreciated, if you're interested, I may cook up an ideology along the lines of Freud to rival this one.

Super impressive job, @Jfoul ! The idea of dividing debates into a "rational" and an "intuitive" section is fascinating.

Separating the two into distinct processes is fairly common in some group psychotherapy frameworks, so it was fun to see how it could cross over into politics.

 

[Grundal]

have some ideas for alternate ideologies.

It starts off with something like ancient chinese legalism as a basis.

Then combine it with the idea that doing nothing to solve a problem/crime is equally as bad as actually committing the crime, therefore you must act. After all, if you aren't a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. Furthermore, not acting is a form of restraining action. Additionally, acting sooner is of course better than acting later, and therefore, delayed action against a problem and/or crime is a form of restraining action and is thus as bad as the crime. On top of that, not acting at all is better than going at it with half-measures, therefore you must act with full measures that will solve problems in their entirity.

As time goes, a new man brings a new group of hardliners to the forefront. They bring a new interpretation that their fellows embrace. Moderate responses are a form of half measure.

Now you have a system where any response to any situation less than immediately reacting in the most extreme possible manner is punished immediately by the full force of the law in the most extreme possible manner, so as to force every individual and society as a whole to respond to any problem immediately in the most extreme possible manner. So as to encourage moral and virtuous behavior and compliance with the state and its ideology of Legalist Extremism.


My next idea is a development out of prehistoric beliefs. specifically of a group that existed alongside the first civilizations developing, hard-pressed to survive. eventually, the hunter gatherer ways are lost....and some animist beliefs become twisted.

The people worships nature, and views nature as hierarchical, based specifically on who eats whom. People are people, and this is represented by their palce in the food chain.

However, their xenophobia twists this further. They have maintained cannibalism, and view those who reject cannibalism as naturally lower on the food chain, and thus are not actually human. This is a society in which personhood is determined by your willingness to eat other people. canabilist humanism; one's humanity depending one's willingness to predate on their fellow man.



here is another one; Extremis Homeostasis.

The idea is a odd variant of the idea of finding balance...rather than finding a golden middle, you discover what that is by finding one end of the spectrum...and the seek the other opposite end. This is if further developed into the idea that in society balance is achieved by nurturing and developing every possible opposite extreme--the idea being that these groups naturally act like magnets against each other and keep each other in line. Those who seek out the various opposite ends of the spectrum of beliefs and culture and customs and etc. are seen as the ones as natural mediators and tie-breakers of society due to their greater experience of the whole spectrum, and thus can guide society out of situations that might otherwise be impossible to address.



Here is another alternate ideology.

It comes with someone in ancient history realizing something akin to the scientific method and the idea of using logic to analyze the world and comes to conclude there was no evidence for deities or the supernatural. This great thinker came about in a society torn apart by strife, with distrust in the old ways and institutions become rampant. He develops first the idea of moral relativism....and then he concludes the logical end point of such thought was absolute moral nihilism. he invents the idea of the ubermensch.

Another thinker realizes nature shapes animals in a manner similar to how man breeds animals and hypothesizes man could shape man over generations for a desired purpose.

A new tyrant comes to power out of the chaos, equivalent to the first emperor of china. He merges the idea of the ubermensch with the idea of man shaping man to a new purpose into a new ideology....that all human philosophy and morality and religion is flawed for there are always hypocrisies, ironies, and contradictions, and question that can easily be resolves. He establishes the new state ideology: that the ubermensch rules the state and thus embodies all morality for all under him, taking the place of the gods as the absolute determiner of right and wrong, good and evil. And the Ubermensch of the state and his heirs will breed all those he rules into a new form where the new race of man perfectly matches their own ideology, thus finally achieving a "True morality."

So yeah, a moral relativist ideology combined with an ancient version of state directed transhumanism to make an ideology and a species that fit together without contradictions, thus achieving what they deem to be true moral superiority over those other powers who choose to stay conventionally human.

 

[Miranda Brawner]

ideology of Legalist Extremism.

Definitely thought-provoking! If you're interested in expanding on this setting, I'd love to know how they handle political corruption, and whether there's any degree of democracy or accountability. I'm also interested in what counts as "the most extreme possible manner" of carrying out a law. I imagine the list of offenses punishable by death is very long. There's a lot of potential in this setting for an exploration of the question "What happens when the state's all-or-nothing method gets turned against the state itself?"

here is another one; Extremis Homeostasis.

That sounds fascinating! Would make a great setting for a comedy, or for a gritty drama about ruthless political backstabbing. I'm not sure I understand how the system works. Does the state assign people to various groups or schools of thoughts that they consider radical? Is it more spontaneous, with people seeking out these groups on their own? If one of these parties or movements gets too popular, upsetting the delicate balance, does the state step in and reassign people to less popular ideologies?

 

[Grundal]

Definitely thought-provoking! If you're interested in expanding on this setting, I'd love to know how they handle political corruption, and whether there's any degree of democracy or accountability. I'm also interested in what counts as "the most extreme possible manner" of carrying out a law. I imagine the list of offenses punishable by death is very long. There's a lot of potential in this setting for an exploration of the question "What happens when the state's all-or-nothing method gets turned against the state itself?"

The very first iterations of this sort of state would be highly unstable. Later versions would have....extraordinarily thorough lists undoubtedly. And that last point is very apt. The answer is massive civil wars of truly horrific proportions.

That sounds fascinating! Would make a great setting for a comedy, or for a gritty drama about ruthless political backstabbing. I'm not sure I understand how the system works. Does the state assign people to various groups or schools of thoughts that they consider radical? Is it more spontaneous, with people seeking out these groups on their own? If one of these parties or movements gets too popular, upsetting the delicate balance, does the state step in and reassign people to less popular ideologies?

think of it as a society where communities and culture revolves around different monasteries of philosophical though, but all share this common belief system that is the basis of extremis homeostasis. those who seek out the very opposites to their starting ideologies and do so repeatedly ( as in they don't just shift ideologies once, but more like seek out the alternatives repeatedly and grapples with them) throughout their lives form a "sort" of government in a manner similar to the head of a monastery or the dalai lama. the idea is that those who repeatedly grapple with the various ideologies at the various ends of the spectrum of options have a more complete philosophical view and are less possessively ideological and doctrinal. Or that is one interpretation of the idea.


Here are some more ideologies, some of which are from other sites but interesting enough:

As Zeus once overthrew his father Cronus and the Titans, just as Cronus had once overthrown his father Uranus. Given how they treated him, it should've came as no surprise when Hephaestus, god of the forge, craftsmanship and mechanization followed in the family tradition by overthrowing his father Zeus and claiming his position as the new ruler of Olympus.

Hephaestus was never strong enough to face his tormentors directly, so he used his specialization to cheat so he wouldn't have to. He defeated Ares, god of war by ending first glory and heroism in war by making a world where the greatest, most heroic warrior could be unceremoniously shot by a conscript who didn't even want to be there without even seeing the face of his enemy, then ending war altogether by inspiring the creation and distribution of weapons so terribly powerful neither side dared use them least their enemies retaliate in kind, Hera by making machines rendering her notion of family and societal roles were economically impractical and Aphrodite by creating a beauty greater than her.

Basically, greco-roman mythology turned into a monotheistic religion by Hephaestus' massacre of all his tormentors, combined with a religious imperative for building tools and machines to overcome preexisting weaknesses and a sort of reverse warrior culture where the weaklings who cheat by inventing better weaponry or agriculture and medicine letting their armies outnumber the enemy, etc are preferable to the honorable warriors.


a sort of combination of polytheism and Platonicism. Imagine a society where in a period when belief in the pantheon of gods is declining, somebody latches onto the concept of "Platonic Ideals" and manages to revitalize the religion by mixing the two.

The result is a sort of "Divine Idealism", that re-imagines the gods not as superpowered people, but as the Ideal embodiment of the concepts they represent. So for example, the "God of War" would be conceived of as the ideal warrior in the ideal war, with associated teachings about what those things are. Rather than worshiping and entreating the gods, they would be regarded as ideals to strive for. It would be a more philosophical than theistic approach to religion, with each "Divine Ideal" having a large set of ideals to follow (and for people to argue over).

And perhaps most important for the effect this has on the world they become more resistant to both disproof and exposure to other cultures. In the former case because as abstract ideals there's nothing anyone can point to as objective disproof; and in the latter because by not making claims about actual personified gods, they don't directly clash with other religious mythologies.


So long as paying to support the poor is cheaper for the wealthy than hiring mercenaries to protect themselves and their possessions from the threat of thieves or revolution, do it. So basically welfare but thought of as protection money rather than a moral imperative. And like with any protection money deal, both sides have to keep up their end of the bargain, if theft and rioting rises to the point where mercenaries again become cheaper, the deal's off, so the poor need to self-police themselves or lose everything.

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Unironic belief in prayer-fed deities. Implications are that if the religion ever dies out, so does the deity and the afterlife it created for the deceased faithful, so the only way to maintain your own paradisaical reward is to maintain the long-term survival of your community/the religion, and the need to stop foreigners from worshiping foreign deities/make sure there are more of you worshiping your deity than of them worshiping theirs, since if critical mass is reached, their deity will become real and can threaten you and/or your deity won't be strong enough to stop it.



Well it used to be believed that a man should not be allowed to vote unless he had property and thus stake in a nation. But what if you took this to the logical extreme and most literal interpretation of a plutocracy? You literally buy your votes. Perhaps eligible people might be given one base vote but then richer people could pay an increasing amount of money for additional votes and who people vote for is often included in things like job contracts or landlord agreements. Meanwhile particularly for local elections uncommitted voters are often swayed by candidates offering to provide public services out of their own pocket as much as anything else in a romanesc manor.


Here are some more of mine:
a debt based honor system. In the society even when you are born the children are indebted to their parents just for existing. And all indebted to the gods. All people in the society are basically serfs to whomever holds their debt...and whomever holds the debt trade ownership of it to another. While not necessarily likely, the richest man in the society could find himself indebted and bound to serve a homeless vagrant, and the entirety of the society would demand his death if he refused to do so.

Social hierarchies are....strange in this place to say the least.


Another society:
Its justice believes in an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. They also believe taking life is immoral and not justifiable under any circumstances. Thus all who are conscripted to fight necessary wars for survival will all inevitably be executed after wars end. The entire military down to the officers and generals are conscripts who are forcibly trapped in service. Furthermore, since law enforcement sometimes may be forced into situations where a life could be taken, law enforcement also consists of conscripts and the condemned. Killing is often outsourced to foreigners so as to keep the society from imploding.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Situationism finally dawned in the Separated at Birth thread! It's application in China is really interesting and worth a look.

 

[Bassoe]

Unironic belief in prayer-fed deities.

Implications are that if the religion ever dies out, so does the deity and the afterlife it created for the deceased faithful, so the only way to maintain your own paradisaical reward is to maintain the long-term survival of your community/the religion, and the need to stop foreigners from worshiping foreign deities/make sure there are more of you worshiping your deity than of them worshiping theirs, since if critical mass is reached, their deity will become real and can threaten you and/or your deity won't be strong enough to stop it.

Also, MAD as an explanation for the lack of obvious divine intervention. The God/s of your religion would like to intervene in the mortal world, but if they did, so would the Gods of rival religions and the resulting reality warper fight would cause humanity's extinction as collateral damage and all the Gods would starve from lack of prayer. Therefore, the only way for paradise* to be created is for your God/s to be the only God/s, to be accomplished by converting or killing off all followers of all other religions.

And if you've accomplished that and the world isn't immediately reality warped into a paradise, clearly either someone's been faking their faith or humanity isn't the universe's only sophont species and the aliens are heretics.

* A world with a genuine, provable God fixing all the world's problems as a benevolent reality warper.

 

[Višeslav]

Unironic belief in prayer-fed deities.

Implications are that if the religion ever dies out, so does the deity and the afterlife it created for the deceased faithful, so the only way to maintain your own paradisaical reward is to maintain the long-term survival of your community/the religion, and the need to stop foreigners from worshiping foreign deities/make sure there are more of you worshiping your deity than of them worshiping theirs, since if critical mass is reached, their deity will become real and can threaten you and/or your deity won't be strong enough to stop it.

Also, MAD as an explanation for the lack of obvious divine intervention. The God/s of your religion would like to intervene in the mortal world, but if they did, so would the Gods of rival religions and the resulting reality warper fight would cause humanity's extinction as collateral damage and all the Gods would starve from lack of prayer. Therefore, the only way for paradise* to be created is for your God/s to be the only God/s, to be accomplished by converting or killing off all followers of all other religions.

And if you've accomplished that and the world isn't immediately reality warped into a paradise, clearly either someone's been faking their faith or humanity isn't the universe's only sophont species and the aliens are heretics.

* A world with a genuine, provable God fixing all the world's problems as a benevolent reality warper.

Damn. Gotta convert them Aliens then.

 

[Višeslav]

A compilation of smaller posts:

Richard Osborne (Banned member):

Racial Communism - Only the "true race" (insert race here) can achieve perfect communism and other races would be best of on reservations or enslaved (socialized slave ownership).

Moralocracy - Psychological test determine who the most altruistic and ethical people are and their put in charge.

@SeaCambrian:

Teudism: early medieval "tribal" titles ("of the Angles and Saxons", "of the Franks", "of the Romans" etc.) evolve directly into "popular" sovereignty instead of being solidified as kingdoms.

@Atterdag:

Monarcho-Socialism: Kings force the capitalist class to share their wealth with the people to prevent the lower classes from revolting and the capitalists to become to powerful.

@KingOnTheEdge:

Egalitarian Imperialism-the idea that to protect the freedom of the home nation's people they must conquer new peoples, which incidentally are now the nation's people who need protecting

@Dylanperr:

Mutualist-Imperialism : A system where colonists and native people work together to improve colonies.

@John Fredrick Parker:

Constitutional Catocracy - like a constitutional monarchy, only the monarch’s a cat

 

[Unkown00]

Some Ideology I was thinking of.

National Technocracy: A mixture of Fascism and Technocracy. These ideologies believe that only intelligent people should be in a Nation as a whole. This ideology is was founded by a more radical group of Technocrats. This ideology is said to be near Authoritarian Center but it's mostly in the AuthRight. The ideology became popular in America in the 1930s.

I'm still thinking on how it work so this is a WIP

 

[Sarthak]

Habsburg Imperialism

The only nation on this planet that can even contemplate to unite all ethnicity's of this scale is none other than the Habsburg Empire under the Glorious Kaiser! - Klemens von Metternich

Austrians! Hungarians! Slovaks! Slovenians! Bohemians! Poles! Italians! Croats! Bosniaks! Romanians! Serbs! In anytime before this, it would have been impossible to even think that we would all stand united! But today we stand united under the banner of the Gold and Obsidian Flag! Long Live the Kaiser and Long Live the Empire! - Karl Phillip, Prince of Schwarzenburg.


Habsburg Imperialism is an ideology created by Klemens von Metternich after the end of the Napoleonic Wars in Europe and after the Concert of Europe and Vienna. The famous diplomat and foreign minister, was very much worried about the evocation of nationalism throughout the continent in the aftermath of the decades long wars. The multiethnic and multi-national Habsburg Empire, he knew would implode on itself.

The subsequent years from 1815-23 saw the Austrian Empire along with all it's intellectuals begin to formulate a common derivative of uniting all the ethnicity's together. Thus became borne, the ideology of Habsburg Imperialism. Despite it's name, it does not mean the annexation or conquest of foreign lands in it's entirety. It was used to mean that the Habsburgs united the Imperium. Due to this ideology, called by some as a proto-doctrine, a common script for all languages within the empire was hammered out by the state. Spoken languages and language formats remained taught, however the common writing format meant that much of the problems and headaches pertaining to ethnic problems were resolved in the economic and political level as well. Then, to the common people, the unity through the monarch was made important for the country. A National Council was formed based on the population distribution of ethnic groups in the country with the Ukrainians gaining 3 seats, Poles gaining 10 seats, Slovaks gaining 8 seats, Croats gaining 14 seats, Italians gaining 18 seats, Romanians gaining 18 seats, Bohemians gaining 20 seats, and Germans and Hungarians gaining 25 seats each.

This doctrine also called for economic protectionism and to increase economic competition within the industrial boundaries of the ethnic groups to make economic productivity become raised even further and thus make the Empire's economy much more firm and secure from the groundbase level.

Eventually in adherence to this ideology and doctrine, the name 'Austrian Empire' was scrapped in favor of the name 'Habsburg Empire' to finally unite all the ethnic groups under one flag. Till date, it has been the foundation for all multi-ethnic states all around the world, and the Habsburg Empire continues to exist to this day, as a major power on the world stage, with its powerful military and powerful economic base.

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[Born in the USSA]

An Interdisciplinary Political Spectrum

Using idea from physics and mathematics, I made a spectrum that I think the Systematist would incline to come up with, based on the premise that they have big fetish for interdisciplinary in many things.

Classical: this is somewhat equivalent to rightism, but it is more about describing how likely a government is towards keeping “classical and traditional” institutions. Measured by using complicated mathematics (very appealing to Systematist ideals of science) to deduce the probability for any government to keep traditional institutions for any year, and how uncorrelated are between the needs of people and governmental policies.

Quantum: somewhat equivalent to leftism, but is distinguished by different ways to evaluate how “progressive” a government is. The dichotomy Classical/Quantum is directly imported from Physics, but modified so that it is more focused on tendency/probability towards changes. Also, a feature of quantum physics is correlation, and so government on farther quantum spectrum tends to have stronger correlation between its people and policy makers.

Stochastic: somewhat equivalent to libertarian or anarchy. Calculations on degree of stochastic is based on how large the concerned government is, and their ability to mobilize their population. Instead of probability theory, the mathematics used here comes from statistics on how many projects are completed, and how organized the people are. Say, OTL Somali will score really high on degree of Stochastic, or, very anarchy.

Ordered: somewhat equivalent to authoritarian, and is the opposite of Stochastic. To score high on ordered scale, the government of concerned is usually big, and its population highly mobilized or ready to follow the government’s lead. OTL Nazi Germany will score high on degree of Ordered.

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A visualization of what this political spectrum could look like. To the hotter color side, is Classical, and to the cooler color side, is Quantum, since classical physics is prominent at high temperature and quantum physics dominates colder temperature. The upper half is Ordered, and the lower half is Stochastic. ​

 

[An Thuong]

Perhaps not quite grand enough to be titled an 'ideology' but:
Meritocratic Monarchy:
The state is led by a Monarch, however, they're not decided by inheritance but an analysis of every eligible citizen's traits to decide the most competent candidate.
Intelligence; empathy; honesty; strategic thinking; decision-making under pressure; ability to delegate; knowledge of governance, law and economics; and charisma are all tested for. The first rounds are via examinations and subsequently it becomes a competition between the brightest few.
With the advance of women's rights the monarchy may become a Duarchy, with a separate office for King and Queen.
Monarchs serve fixed terms of twenty years. In the fifteenth year of their reign the new selection process begins, it takes roughly a year and the final four years of their reign are spent mentoring the heir-apparent.
In the event of premature death, a regency council will reign for five years in their stead as a new Monarch is decided and mentored.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Perhaps not quite grand enough to be titled an 'ideology' but:
Meritocratic Monarchy:
The state is led by a Monarch, however, they're not decided by inheritance but an analysis of every eligible citizen's traits to decide the most competent candidate.
Intelligence; empathy; honesty; strategic thinking; decision-making under pressure; ability to delegate; knowledge of governance, law and economics; and charisma are all tested for. The first rounds are via examinations and subsequently it becomes a competition between the brightest few.
With the advance of women's rights the monarchy may become a Duarchy, with a separate office for King and Queen.
Monarchs serve fixed terms of twenty years. In the fifteenth year of their reign the new selection process begins, it takes roughly a year and the final four years of their reign are spent mentoring the heir-apparent.
In the event of premature death, a regency council will reign for five years in their stead as a new Monarch is decided and mentored.

Interesting, an interesting take on this would be if the sovereign symbolically adopted the heir apparent in a Roman sort of way, creating an "unbroken" but not hereditary royal line. Perhaps the founder of the kingdom disparaged inherited privilege but not royal prerogatives or noblesse oblige or what have you, symbolically adopting his elected successor as a way to stabilize the transition of power in the first decades of the new nation, and the practice remains out of tradition?

 

[An Thuong]

Interesting, an interesting take on this would be if the sovereign symbolically adopted the heir apparent in a Roman sort of way, creating an "unbroken" but not hereditary royal line. Perhaps the founder of the kingdom disparaged inherited privilege but not royal prerogatives or noblesse oblige or what have you, symbolically adopting his elected successor as a way to stabilize the transition of power in the first decades of the new nation, and the practice remains out of tradition?

I like that idea! I've always thought there was something to the tradition of monarchy, if not the principle of divine vaginas. Interestingly that's how most 'family businesses' in Japan work nowadays. The Toyota or Suzuki family will 'adopt' their brightest salary-men into the family.

Why 98% of all Japanese adoptions are adult men

In Japan, 98% of adoptions are actually adult men, aged between 20-30 years old — not children.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Iacobus]

Egalitarian Imperialism-the idea that to protect the freedom of the home nation's people they must conquer new peoples, which incidentally are now the nation's people who need protecting

You described a wannabe Rome there. Call the autocratic nations 'barbarians' and enlighten them with freedom. Wait where have I heard that before???

 

[Iacobus]

Romanpapism/Pan-Romanism:

Italy is the successor of the Roman Empire and the Western Empire. Constantine the Great donated the West to his holiness the Pope and Italy is what remains of the Western Empire. His holiness is the rightful ruler of Italy. The Pope has superiority over the Gothic usurper of Sardegna-Piedmont.

With the Eastern Empire gone, Italy is the last remains of the Roman Empire against Russian and Turkish usurpers.

Basically Christian-Nationalism in Italy, closely resembling Iran post Shah. The pope and the Curia are the rulers of Italy, protecting the Roman Church and Italian Culture. Developed in the 1850s.

Garibaldi rolls in his grave.

 

[Iacobus]

Plethonism

Based on the ideas and writing of the Late Byzantine philosopher Pletho. Could be applied in a surviving ERE or maybe a through Hellenist fervour in Modern Greece or the West.

More moderately it it an ideology that encourage a common culture and language among people and a government based on Neoplatonist ideals, so a monarch advised by 'aristocrats' though the latter are learned men of merit rather than of noble blood. Not massively different from the Byzantine system of meritocracy from its golden age.

Under Plethonism the army is composed of volunteers and funded collectively by society. In a modern context this applies to other public services including a welfare state. Slavery and serfdom is effectively abolished. Capital punishment is still legal though but not mutilation. Society is sexually modest.

I forgot to add, it is anti-Christian. Instead it favours a moral foundation based on Hellenistic region and/or philosophy.

Think of Plethonism as Enlightened Monarchy with personal freedoms and public services guaranteed on a foundation of classical philosophy. The Emperor is the Head of State and de jure Head of Government while his council are Ministers who were appointed from an Order of Merit. To ensure the consent of the people plebiscites are held to gauge the public attitude towards policy and the Office of Tribune is elected directly by the people but only forms part of the legislature with veto powers.

 

[Bassoe]

Start with the whole 'service guarantees citizenship' Starship Troopers system. The novel version, specifically. The whole point of the system is to filter out people willing to suffer discomfort and possibly death for the sake of their convictions, under the assumption that only they can be trusted with political enfranchisement. Thing is, this makes the entire military regime an unnecessary expenditure of resources, the same effect could be achieved by having potential citizens play a round of russian roulette. Possibly also weigh the risk and voting rights together, have it so survivor-citizens who played with two rounds have their votes count for more, etc, with anyone with enough conviction to use all six rounds and die for their beliefs having an absolutely massive boost to their vote (which they'd write down beforehand, obviously).

 

[redjirachi]

What would be the capitalist counterpart to posadism?