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This map was the product of my most recent playthrough of the boardgame The Great War in Europe and the Near East, where I played as the central powers. Germany had a kinda tough go of it at the beginning, after nearly being beaten out of Belgium by a very fortunate BEF, but by 1915 they had taken Verdun and had a solid line on the Somme. The Battle of the Somme here (series of German attacks on mostly British commonwealth positions) was an overwhelming victory for the Germans- the strongest British units were wiped out within a month and the Germans were able to take all the Belgian Channel ports because of the necessary diversion of British forces to hold the line. Germany also barely held on in the East, because they sent minimal reinforcements there and the Russians had decent luck. The Austrians managed to hold off against the initial Russian wave, and after taking Belgrade they were able to force a full Serbian retreat before the end of 1914. The Ottoman entry into the war only served to divert British forces to the Eastern fronts, where they had little success. Italy entered the war only towards the end of 1915, and were too late to save Russia- combined German and Austrian offensives pushed back Russian troops across the entire Eastern Front, and triggered civil war. By mid-1916 the Russian provisional government collapsed and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was negotiated. The Italian front, relatively static until then, was turned on its head as the full Austrian army was thrown against it. Italian lines fell back to the Piave, while German offensives in France were successful in pushing French lines to the Marne. An armistice was declared shortly after Venice was cut off by the Austrian offensive, and German forces broke through the French lines along the Marne. The USA had never entered the war, and was mutually agreed upon by the warring powers as an impartial mediator of the peace.
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Of course, lots of the map was just personal speculation of what would happen given the results and general progress of the war. Significant elements:
Germany: Universally recognized as the victor of the Weltkrieg, they nonetheless emerged from the war shakier than before. The Kaiser was forced to delegate more power to the Reichstag, even as the princes' powers were all but erased. They had their colonies returned, and gained a lot from the partition of the Congo (the Belgian collapse forced Britain, France, and Germany to divide the Congo). Communist riots in major industrial centers left much fo the country feeling like the war had never ended.
Austria-Hungary: Austria-Hungary counted itself lucky to have made it out of the conflict unscathed. Emperor Karl I sought to capitalize on the growing national unity, however, by abolishing the dual monarchy and giving greater democratic powers to all subjects of the empire. This triggered widespread revolt in the Hungarian regions of the Empire (now the United States of Greater Austria), but in the rest of the USGA Karl I was immensely popular. Hungary and the annexed territories from Serbia were placed under military government and occupied by the troops, now returned from the Italian front.
France: France had been soundly defeated, preserved largely by virtue of their British allies. Socialist and nationalist riots across the country threatened the collapse of the government.
Italy: The Italian government had almost completely collapsed, as fascist and communist factions took power across the Italian empire. Pleas by the Italian government to Germany, Austria, France, and the UK to step in and fight the rebels fell on deaf ears, as the war against the Reds in Russia wore on (additionally, the Austrians knew that by maintaining a state of chaos in Italy they would serve as a natural harbor of calm and security in the region, while the French were hardly managing to keep rioting in their own country from turning to outright civil war).
Russia: The Russian Civil War had split into three factions. The Czarists and Ukrainians, backed by Germany and Austria; the Reds, or the Communists; and the Whites, who were supported by the US, UK, and marginally by France. The Czarist and White factions had a shaky truce, as they lacked a common border but both bounded Red-held territory. The Reds, though unsupported by foreign powers, had immense public support, and were proving a truly difficult enemy to defeat, even for the combined powers of Europe. As the conflict wore on, calls for an end to the seemingly eternal conflict were beginning to gain more and more traction across Europe- calls to leave Russia to the Russians and handle domestic affairs first.
 
Knights of the New World
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A long running thought of mine, inspired by a recollection of an old History Channel documentary on the Templars that, in true History Channel fashion, implied that some of the Templars got further away from France than Portugal. I took that thought and ran with it, and so here is my first map. I know the idea is ASB, but I didn't want to go full "Columbus but like a century early," so I have had the Knights who made the voyage over the Atlantic syncretize religiously and intermarry with the native peoples of the Caribbean, with those outside the initial conquest area forming proto-states strong enough to halt Templar advances. I also imagine that the secret of steel won't stay so secret. At first, they'd be direct trade of items, i.e. weapons for food, but as the Knights establish themselves I think the knowledge of how to craft first steel and then weapons would leak out through trade and migrations between the islands of the Caribbean.
 
Are some of those groups of languages supposed to be areal, or are there just vastly different language families?

A mix of real language groups that evolved beyond their OTL extinction (e.g. Daco-Thracian) with minimal outside influence, and other real language groups that were significantly influenced by foreign rule, like Italy's Italic & Etruscan substrates with a Celtic superstrate and a recent dose of Germanic loanwords.
 
A mix of real language groups that evolved beyond their OTL extinction (e.g. Daco-Thracian) with minimal outside influence, and other real language groups that were significantly influenced by foreign rule, like Italy's Italic & Etruscan substrates with a Celtic superstrate and a recent dose of Germanic loanwords.

Right, but I'm looking at groupings like "Indo-Aryan / Dravidian", or "West African / Central African / East African". Those languages are unrelated OTL, and many are related to languages in other groupings. ITTL, are they related languages that happen to share names with OTL languages, or are those groupings just for convenience?

And as long as we're talking about Daco-Thracian, are those part of a clade with Hellenic languages TTL, or are they just grouped together for convenience's sake?
 
Right, but I'm looking at groupings like "Indo-Aryan / Dravidian", or "West African / Central African / East African". Those languages are unrelated OTL, and many are related to languages in other groupings. ITTL, are they related languages that happen to share names with OTL languages, or are those groupings just for convenience?

And as long as we're talking about Daco-Thracian, are those part of a clade with Hellenic languages TTL, or are they just grouped together for convenience's sake?

The groupings are meant to be ethnic, so not a 1-to-1 linguistic grouping; only insofar as a shared language led to a very broad shared cultural identity. I was a bit at a loss for the Sub-Saharan African groups. It's tough to extrapolate a trajectory for cultural influence when most of the recorded history for that area is post-Islam. I could redo it along language lines so the 3 groups are Nilotic/Afro-Asiatic/Niger-Congo, but I'm not sure that would be any more meaningful.

As far Daco-Thraco-Ilyrian, I made them a similar color (maybe too similar) to the Hellenes to denote cultural proximity. The same with the Arabian Arabs and their urbanized Semitic brethren to the north.
 
Here’s one I call ‘Early Modern ASEAN.’ The point of divergence is in South-East Asia sometime towards the end of the 16th century, and by the early 17th century, diplomatic negotiations between South-East Asian states have led to a stabilizing framework. At first, this takes the form of local rulers agreeing to (and actually upholding) a policy of non-interference in each other’s affairs, and state sovereignty (long a concept in the various philosophies of the region) finally gets a fuller implementation. With time, more ‘modern’ borders are peacefully agreed to, and the rulers of the various polities agree to support each other in an alliance, at last formalized as the ‘Great Mandala (Circle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(political_model) ) of Nations’ in 1657.

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Although initially focused on providing collective bargaining power to the states of South East Asia in the face of Ming and then Qing Chinese sailing expeditions throughout the region, by 1820 the Mandala is increasingly acting as a military alliance to fend off Europeans well. Though far from being a unitary state, the Mandala’s centralizing tendencies have facilitated trade, and, on the whole, South East Asia is quite a lot richer than in our world. Though the absolute monarchs of each of the Mandala’s member states may not think of themselves as progressive, collective dealings between Muslims, Buddhists, and one Hindu state have meant that there is lot more tolerance for religious minorities across the region, and some general trends towards secularization of the law. As the Farang (European) menace grows darker on the horizon (despite the Mandala having ostensibly friendly relations with the three European powers in the region), there has even been talk of a unified military.

Europe, for its part, doesn’t quite know what to make the Mandala. Greater trade opportunities with relatively open South-East have rather diminished China’s allure, and so far colonizing (easily-defendable) Spanish Jainan and Dutch Formosa has been more interesting to European powers than any port cities on the mainland. As such, China’s recent defeats at the hands of the Southern Barbarians of Land and Sea have been less stinging than similar events in our world. Europeans have also so far been less interested and less successful in taking down India, partially as a result of a stronger (and less inflation-prone) Spain preventing the British from running away with things.
 
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Creative as always, @Goliath. Minor suggestion: change note 3 to "Vietnam and Spain" gained, since the way it reads it sounds more like either Hainan was a co-belligerent of Vietnam or someone "gained Vietnam." (Or maybe "Vietnam expanded and Spain gained Hainan?")

Spain has less inflation problems? The main inflation problem I recall Spain having was due to all that American silver, but I thought that was earlier on: is this another inflation regime that OTL took place in the 19th century? Enlighten me on Spanish economics! :biggrin:

(This world's Europe hasn't had an Age of Revolutions yet? The Spanish Empire still more or less intact?)
 
Crosspost from MotF 216
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Starting with 6 ships in 1700, and rising 700 by 1860, the growth of *New England into an industrialized nation with farflung territories was inextricably linked to the whaling industry. Controlling 80% of global whale trade at its peak in 1856, * New England would become known as the country that illuminated the world.
 
Creative as always, @Goliath. Minor suggestion: change note 3 to "Vietnam and Spain" gained, since the way it reads it sounds more like either Hainan was a co-belligerent of Vietnam or someone "gained Vietnam." (Or maybe "Vietnam expanded and Spain gained Hainan?")

Spain has less inflation problems? The main inflation problem I recall Spain having was due to all that American silver, but I thought that was earlier on: is this another inflation regime that OTL took place in the 19th century? Enlighten me on Spanish economics! :biggrin:

(This world's Europe hasn't had an Age of Revolutions yet? The Spanish Empire still more or less intact?)

Thank you, thank you- while not being too specific for the scenario, I was envisioning that a different division of the Iberian Union led to some shuffling around of the colonies of Spain and Portugal- on the map Spain has Goa and Timor. Over in Latin America, Portugal has more Peruvian silver mines as a result of this division. Hence a Spain more reliant on the Philippines as well.

In terms of revolutionary Europe, I’d say France could be a wildcard, but both Spain and the Netherlands are too powerful for any revolutionary or Napoleonic wars like OTL.
 
Well, I've made progress on the 1950s Punk Map, a cover of @B_Munro old work from 9 years ago! Not much left to do, then just have the key and synopsis to go.

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A WIP that I have been doing for over 2 years in extremely intermittent periods of time, for an alternate world of ASOIAF
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(and here is the extremely older and crappier 1.0 version:
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If anyone wants to know more about the map, ask, I haven't defined the lore completely but I have managed to make a rough delineation of the map's world in my head

Holy Canoli! You've taken my old basemap to a whole new level.

Love it.
 
A WIP that I have been doing for over 2 years in extremely intermittent periods of time, for an alternate world of ASOIAF
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(and here is the extremely older and crappier 1.0 version:
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If anyone wants to know more about the map, ask, I haven't defined the lore completely but I have managed to make a rough delineation of the map's world in my head
Good work! It's an excellent map as for my question, what is the purple/pink in the far west?
 
THE YELLOW ROAD TO JORDAN
MotF 216 entry
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The JORDAN SYSTEM is a small and remote solar system located in the center of the galaxy, just inside the first ring (10e1) in the Delta Quadrant, consisting of a binary star system (Jordan Alpha and Jordan Bravo) and six main planets. Discovered by the explorer Elvira Jordan in the late 4700s, the system was initially thought to be worthless until the 4820s when miners uncovered large zekkanite deposits on the fifth planet. Zekkanite, as we all know, is the unobtainium du jour and highly valuable for energy efficient fuel production. Further exploration uncovered zekkanite across the planet, subsequently named Jordan-Zk. Despite the planet's great abundance of the valuable material, its remote location and difficult approach made it a low level target for the galactic powers. Instead, the system became a home for refugees and dissidents fleeing the mighty powers, especially those from minor systems that remained outside the grasp of the six major commonwealths. However, the system suddenly became of great value to four of the commonwealths in the early 4900s, when the United States seized the central zekkanite reverses in the second ring (10e2).

The Jordan system, which was within the first ring and highly inaccessible to the United States due to its position around the Rostov Gap, became a high priority for the four other commonwealths. A combined expedition of the Tyrians, Stromae, Kiirinese, and Wynderans and asked (at gunpoint) that Jordan sign a treaty of exclusivity with the quadruple alliance. The Jordanians agreed to do so at exorbitantly high prices, so the alliance deposed the Republican government and installed General Maxima Shan as Chancellor of the Six Jordans. A new treaty was negotiated where the Jordans would sell zekkanite to the quadruple alliance at extremely low rates. Over the past century, this has destroyed the previously stable society of the Jordan system and introduced widespread poverty and natural disasters, as the economy collapsed due to the forced low prices of the system's only major export. Additionally, the overmining caused by the demand from the four commonwealths has destroyed the splendor of the Jordan planets and has reduced the zekkanite stores faster than the replacement rate. Recently, the Tyrian Federation has begun a secret project on Jordan III to produce zekkanium gas, which is more productive than solid zekkanite but harder to find naturally. This may save the failing system before zekkanite runs out, but rumors of the project are creating tension between the four commonwealths.

The Yellow Road is the only star path to the Jordan system which large freighters and military vessels can travel on. It is named the yellow road because it mostly passes star systems with main sequence yellow stars. The long and winding route was charted by alliance explorers in the mid-50th century to expedite the zekkanite transportation process from Jordan. The road passes through the first four rings and reaches from Jordan to Port Morrison in the Tyrian Federation, with stops in Wynder, Kiir, and Stroma space. It is heavily patrolled by the Tyrian Navy, as the Tyrians are farthest along the route and thus most endangered by the route's collapse or severance to Jordan. Numerous star systems were destroyed to develop the Road, as the only other options would be risk traveling deep in the fifth ring or through the United States.
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Good work! It's an excellent map as for my question, what is the purple/pink in the far west?
I admited the region is one of the more underdevelopeds of my headcanon of the map, but, roughly:
Pink: A group of dozens of kingdoms that rule over the basin of one of the continent's main rivers, they are really similar to the elves from the works of Tolkien but withouth the immortality (although they tend to live around twice as a normal human), although only the kingdoms near the center of the river are shown, they continue to the west, controlling the vast woodlands (think Uber Mirkwood). Do constant trade with the Colonies (in special Kajun, who controls the mouth of the river) and mostly wareither amongst themselves or with the orange-colored tribes and states of the Agatean Woodlands, their ancient enemies
Purple: similar to pink, it is also a civilization of dozens of kingdoms, which share some common traits in their culture, they rule over the continent's great lakes and their surrounding wetlands, their lands are full of buildings of unknown origins, tall and that look as if they were sculpted from sheer rock (since they don't have any seams and many times look like stones); mostly trade with the north of the continent, and war in naval skirmishes on the seas or in the grasslands to the east, fighting with the centaur nomads who occupy most of the northeast of the continent (the grey with the reddish-brown outline and the light yellow)
 
MAP OF ESCADIA
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This map shows with fast facts about the country and iconic, scenic or monumental places that you have to visit before it's too late as a part of once in a lifetime memories, please book flights now before it's too late, brought to you by, Escadian Airways. NOTE: there's a megastructure highway that connects two continents, bridging the divide and prospering or thrusting up economic growth.

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