Anglo-French-Israel call America's bluff; Suez Crisis

As we all know Britain and France retreated from Suez after America threatened economic attack on the Sterling.
Well according to economists and historians this was BS on part of the Americans. Burning through the pound by America would have seen the entire American economy crash since the world was still transitioning from the Pound to the Dollar, and in this instance, the devaluation of the Pound was a good thing; and Eisenhower knew it. If Eden and France called his bluff and continued the Suez invasion?
What would happen?
 
An interesting and exciting an ATL. I don't know how to answer though. I have the impression Britain and France would be benefited compared with OTL, while the US would be damaged.
 
any butterfly predictions?

Like Lusitania said above, it's a hard question. I'd wait for forumers with more deep knowledge on 1950's and 1960's world's geopolitics. Butterflies would be big, definitely: NATO, Vietnam, Franco-British partnership, Commonwealth relations, American and British international prestige.
 
Well, the Soviets aren't going to intervene in this considering what they're doing in Hungary, and the nuclear disparities are far too great for them to risk nuclear war. And Macmillan overstated the financial problems to push Eden into his own path, so you'd have to find a way for Eden to get rid of him. Either way, UK-US relations are going to get cool for a few years. Common interests, different goals sort of thing. UK-France relations get better and likely become a special relation-type deal, while ties with the Commonwealth get better. Pearson in Canada is (likely) butterflied away, so the Red Ensign is kept as the official Canadian flag.

A successful intervention in Egypt means massive implications in Arab nationalism and very likely sees Nasser toppled and replaced with Mohammad Naguib and his supporters. I could see Israel keeping the Sinai for strategic depth but, I will admit, it's far more likely that the Sinai is kept by Egypt but demilitarized with the Canal Zone internationalized and kept under UN control to ensure free shipping. France stays as Israel's main pre-1967 patron, with Anglo-Israeli ties warming post-Suez. Won't get great, but they'll get warmer.

Slower decolonization in Africa (likely delayed 10-15 years), a very potential death of Arab nationalism and its replacement by either Baathism/Arab socialism or Islamism, Britain retaining itself as a third power with France. I could still see an Arab-Israeli war in the cards by the early/mid-60s, though I think Egypt would be a neutered threat, so the big threat for Israel is going to be either Syria, Jordan, or both of them. Baghdad becomes the most important city in the Arab world.
 
But what about the pound already being under pressure? That was a long-standing struggle for the Brits. They had to devalue in 1947 (I think that was the year) and later on, in 1967. And not too long after that they gave up and let the pound float.
 

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Blowing out the Pound would have crashed the economy far more than the OTL Q2 Recession of 1956.
Part of that pressure was an Oil Embargo by the Arab States And the USA deciding not to make up the difference.
 
See https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rael-during-suez-crisis.433483/#post-16277815 for my argument that the British and French would not have succeeded in bringing down Nasser anyway. As I wrote there, "I am not saying that *no* argument could be made against Ike's OTL policy. But that argument should be, not that the (very poorly thought out) Anglo-French actions would otherwise have succeeded. Rather, it is that for the sake of better US relations with western Europe, the US should have simply *let them fail* instead of acting in such a drastic manner. As Henry Kissinger put it in *Diplomacy*, "The British and French expedition had been ham-handedly conceived and amateurishly implemented; designed in frustration, and lacking a clear-cut political objective, it doomed itself to failure. The United States could never have supported so flawed an enterprise. Yet the gnawing question remains whether America's dissociation from its allies needed to be quite so brutal..." https://books.google.com/books?id=HhfceQZ3pmoC&pg=PT608
 
But what about the pound already being under pressure? That was a long-standing struggle for the Brits. They had to devalue in 1947 (I think that was the year) and later on, in 1967. And not too long after that they gave up and let the pound float.

The Americans aren't going to damage the pound and Macmillan overstated the problems it had. Financially ruining their ally isn't sound business and, as I understand it, had the American done anything to the pound, it would also affect the sterling zone which would affect the US economy as well.
 
Pearson in Canada is (likely) butterflied away, so the Red Ensign is kept as the official Canadian flag.
As a Canadian that thought makes me sad.

For this thread, you might see a quicker rise in pan-arabisim as they feel that they have to unite or else 3rd parties will just dictate policies.
 
Also how would the rest of the cold war be affected? Since clearly Britain and France the second and third strongest members are going to be a tad angry with America. also what about the commonwealth considering only Australia and New Zealand fully backed Britain and France while the others simply twiddled their thumbs.
 
See https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rael-during-suez-crisis.433483/#post-16277815 for my argument that the British and French would not have succeeded in bringing down Nasser anyway. As I wrote there, "I am not saying that *no* argument could be made against Ike's OTL policy. But that argument should be, not that the (very poorly thought out) Anglo-French actions would otherwise have succeeded. Rather, it is that for the sake of better US relations with western Europe, the US should have simply *let them fail* instead of acting in such a drastic manner. As Henry Kissinger put it in *Diplomacy*, "The British and French expedition had been ham-handedly conceived and amateurishly implemented; designed in frustration, and lacking a clear-cut political objective, it doomed itself to failure. The United States could never have supported so flawed an enterprise. Yet the gnawing question remains whether America's dissociation from its allies needed to be quite so brutal..." https://books.google.com/books?id=HhfceQZ3pmoC&pg=PT608
i watched Kings and Generals regarding the military aspects of the crisis; and Britain and France rolled over Egypt; could Egypt really have resisted at all?
 
i watched Kings and Generals regarding the military aspects of the crisis; and Britain and France rolled over Egypt; could Egypt really have resisted at all?
Once again, read my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rael-during-suez-crisis.433483/#post-16277815

As I note there, "...it is important to remember that the British and French were *not* counting on an all-out war with Egypt. Hence their need to pretend that they were merely responding to the dangers posed by the Israeli- Egyptian war to the Canal; hence the wishful thinking that limited seizures of territory along the Canal combined with some bombing could quickly bring down Nasser. This is why I believe the operation would have been a failure even if the US had not opposed it: When you have a goal (overthrow of Nasser) and are not willing or able to go all-out in pursuit of that goal, your enemy senses that fact and takes advantage of it."

BTW, as I also noted in that post, "rolled over' is an oversimplification. Nasser's "people's war" strategy was already starting to slow down the Anglo-French forces before the cease-fire:

***
3) Egypt's military weakness: You make much of this. But it is something of which Nasser himself was aware, and which he had a strategy to overcome (and a strategy, incidentally, that did *not* count on Soviet or American intervention):

"Nasser saw Egyptian civilians as a weapon of last resort. Although he preferred using properly trained and equipped military forces, if circumstances deteriorated he planned to transform non-combatants into combatants. In this scenario, Egypt would wage a 'people's war' against invaders. Troops were to jettison all military trappings--uniforms and the like--except their weapons, and disperse incognito into the population. They would then lead civilians in resisting Anglo-French occupation.

"For Nasser, the advantage of a 'people's war' was the obliteration of lines demarcating military and civilian spheres. With this distinction blurred, British and French soldiers faced dilemmas: who is our enemy, and under what circumstances are we to use deadly force? Nasser understood the delicate political nature of allied operations in Egypt and the intense public scrutiny they entailed; these conditions exacerbated for Britain and France thorny questions regarding proper rules of engagement.

"If British and French troops aggressively countered the popular insurgency, many civilians, even those not involved in the 'people's war,' would die. High civilian casualties would increase pressure in Britain, France, and abroad to cease hostilities and withdraw from Egypt. Moreover, such casualties would persuade more Egyptians to resist occupation, again expanding the conflict in Egypt's favor.

"Alternatively, if Britain and France cautiously countered the 'people's war,' Egyptian partisans could attack with near impunity by hiding among crowds of apparent non-combatants. The resulting British and French casualties might provide the impetus for those countries to abandon Egypt. Essentially Nasser hoped to replicate in microcosm the asymmetric strategy of the Algerian revolution, still in its preliminary phase at the time of the Suez Crisis, but nonetheless showing promise as a way for a militarily inferior state to vanquish its more powerful adversary." Derk Varble, *The Suez Crisis 1956*, pp. 87-8

As Varble notes (pp. 88-90), brief as the Suez fighting was, Nasser was already beginning to implement this strategy, and it was already starting to slow down the Allied forces before the cease-fire :

"When British and French warplanes attacked Egypt on 31 October, 1956, Nasser implemented this philosophy. Realizing that an invasion was imminent, he directed all Egyptians, soldiers and civilians, to resist Britain and France. Expecting those nations to attack Port Said, he distributed assault rifles and grenades, instructing recipients to use them to harass occupying forces at every opportunity.

"Most Egyptian civilians were unfamiliar with sophisticated military technology, limiting somewhat their effectiveness as partisans. However, civilians could easily master basic munitions such as grenades. On 5 November several weapons shipments arrived via rail in Port Said; pallets of grenades, Czech assault rifles, and other devices were available on street corners, offered to anyone hoping to resist the imminent invasion.

"Probably just a small percentage of Port Said's civilians participated in hostilities. Nonetheless their 'people's war' had significance. Relentless sniping forced Royal Marines to seek armored protection when moving along city streets, hindering their advance. Armed civilians concealed themselves inside Port Said's buildings; the threat they posed slowed the progress of soldiers engaged in clearing operations. These delays prevented a rapid allied breakout from Port Said. When the 7 November UN ceasefire took effect, British and French troops had not reached al-Qantarah, the next city south of Port Said. After the ceasefire, Egyptian insurgents continued resisting occupation. They sniped and threw grenades at patrolling soldiers, inflicting a few casualties at a time and providing an additional motive for Britain and France to leave Egypt.

"For Nasser, the Egyptian people had an unambiguous role: resist invading forces, delay their advance, and swing world opinion into line behind Egypt. In Anglo-French strategy, by contrast, Egyptian civilians constituted a paradox. In some ways, the allies, especially the British, sought to minimize the suffering of the Egyptian people. Indeed, concern over potential non-combatant casualties forced Eden to abandon Alexandria as a bridgehead for invasion. While planning the Egyptian campaign, Mountbatten and other British leaders fretted that attacking cities would stigmatize them as 'murderers and baby killers' and injure Britain internationally. During Revise Phase I, in which bombers struck airfields, Eden repeatedly modified target lists to avoid hitting civilians, Just before British and French forces stormed Port Said, the cabinet limited bomb and gun size for aerial and naval bombardment despite their knowledge that such restrictions might increase British losses. Although some military commanders disregarded these stipulations, the restrictions illustrate palpable British concern--political, moral, or otherwise--at the highest level for non-combatant safety.

"Yet the very success of Revise rested on terrorizing Egypt's civilian population. Phase II, which Keightly hoped would form the crux of allied military operations by forcing a regime change in Egypt, attempted to coerce Egyptians through a bombing offensive. RAF planners who designed the 'aero-psychological' campaign had full confidence that disrupting daily life would compel Egypt's people to topple Nasser. Airstrikes against communications and transportation networks were to be the mechanism for paralyzing Egyptian society.

"Perhaps recognizing the contradictions in British strategy, and at last understanding the political repercussions of a terror bombing campaign, Eden eliminated many of Phase II's more aggressive tactics. Aircrew resistance and technical challenges undercut other aspects of the aerial offensive. However, many bombs still fell on Egypt, inflicting scores, perhaps hundreds, of civilian casualties in Cairo and adjoining areas. British pilots, operating unfamiliar weapons systems and steeped in an 'area bombing' culture rather than in precision tactics, often placed ordnance on unintended targets, killing or wounding non-combatants. International pressure *and an awareness that Phase II served to rally, not destroy, Egyptian morale* led Keightly to cancel Phase II soon after its awkward inception.." [my emphasis--DT]

Varble concludes (p. 92) that

"Strategic bombing was the least successful of the aerial missions. Revise Phase II and its aero-psychological ambitions proved an abject disappointment...[Eden] failed to grasp how the world might respond to the sight of British planes raining bombs on Cairo. Also, RAF weapons and skills were unsuited to the task at hand--disrupting the Egyptian economy and damaging morale while inflicting minimal civilian casualties. The RAF had no tradition of pinpoint bombing, and in an era before precision- guided munitions high-altitude night attacks against specific targets were quite difficult. Under these conditions, ordnance dispersed, as happened during Revise Phase I Canberra and Valiant raids on Egyptian airfields. In the end, relatively few bombs fell, and those that did mostly missed, leaving the Egyptian air force intact and Egyptian morale strong..."
 
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Once again, read my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rael-during-suez-crisis.433483/#post-16277815

As I note there, "...it is important to remember that the British and French were *not* counting on an all-out war with Egypt. Hence their need to pretend that they were merely responding to the dangers posed by the Israeli- Egyptian war to the Canal; hence the wishful thinking that limited seizures of territory along the Canal combined with some bombing could quickly bring down Nasser. This is why I believe the operation would have been a failure even if the US had not opposed it: When you have a goal (overthrow of Nasser) and are not willing or able to go all-out in pursuit of that goal, your enemy senses that fact and takes advantage of it."

BTW, as I also noted in that post, "rolled over' is an oversimplification. Nasser's "people's war" strategy was already starting to slow down the Anglo-Frrech forces before the cease-fire:

***
3) Egypt's military weakness: You make much of this. But it is something of which Nasser himself was aware, and which he had a strategy to overcome (and a strategy, incidentally, that did *not* count on Soviet or American intervention):

"Nasser saw Egyptian civilians as a weapon of last resort. Although he preferred using properly trained and equipped military forces, if circumstances deteriorated he planned to transform non-combatants into combatants. In this scenario, Egypt would wage a 'people's war' against invaders. Troops were to jettison all military trappings--uniforms and the like--except their weapons, and disperse incognito into the population. They would then lead civilians in resisting Anglo-French occupation.

"For Nasser, the advantage of a 'people's war' was the obliteration of lines demarcating military and civilian spheres. With this distinction blurred, British and French soldiers faced dilemmas: who is our enemy, and under what circumstances are we to use deadly force? Nasser understood the delicate political nature of allied operations in Egypt and the intense public scrutiny they entailed; these conditions exacerbated for Britain and France thorny questions regarding proper rules of engagement.

"If British and French troops aggressively countered the popular insurgency, many civilians, even those not involved in the 'people's war,' would die. High civilian casualties would increase pressure in Britain, France, and abroad to cease hostilities and withdraw from Egypt. Moreover, such casualties would persuade more Egyptians to resist occupation, again expanding the conflict in Egypt's favor.

"Alternatively, if Britain and France cautiously countered the 'people's war,' Egyptian partisans could attack with near impunity by hiding among crowds of apparent non-combatants. The resulting British and French casualties might provide the impetus for those countries to abandon Egypt. Essentially Nasser hoped to replicate in microcosm the asymmetric strategy of the Algerian revolution, still in its preliminary phase at the time of the Suez Crisis, but nonetheless showing promise as a way for a militarily inferior state to vanquish its more powerful adversary." Derk Varble, *The Suez Crisis 1956*, pp. 87-8

As Varble notes (pp. 88-90), brief as the Suez fighting was, Nasser was already beginning to implement this strategy, and it was already starting to slow down the Allied forces before the cease-fire :

"When British and French warplanes attacked Egypt on 31 October, 1956, Nasser implemented this philosophy. Realizing that an invasion was imminent, he directed all Egyptians, soldiers and civilians, to resist Britain and France. Expecting those nations to attack Port Said, he distributed assault rifles and grenades, instructing recipients to use them to harass occupying forces at every opportunity.

"Most Egyptian civilians were unfamiliar with sophisticated military technology, limiting somewhat their effectiveness as partisans. However, civilians could easily master basic munitions such as grenades. On 5 November several weapons shipments arrived via rail in Port Said; pallets of grenades, Czech assault rifles, and other devices were available on street corners, offered to anyone hoping to resist the imminent invasion.

"Probably just a small percentage of Port Said's civilians participated in hostilities. Nonetheless their 'people's war' had significance. Relentless sniping forced Royal Marines to seek armored protection when moving along city streets, hindering their advance. Armed civilians concealed themselves inside Port Said's buildings; the threat they posed slowed the progress of soldiers engaged in clearing operations. These delays prevented a rapid allied breakout from Port Said. When the 7 November UN ceasefire took effect, British and French troops had not reached al-Qantarah, the next city south of Port Said. After the ceasefire, Egyptian insurgents continued resisting occupation. They sniped and threw grenades at patrolling soldiers, inflicting a few casualties at a time and providing an additional motive for Britain and France to leave Egypt.

"For Nasser, the Egyptian people had an unambiguous role: resist invading forces, delay their advance, and swing world opinion into line behind Egypt. In Anglo-French strategy, by contrast, Egyptian civilians constituted a paradox. In some ways, the allies, especially the British, sought to minimize the suffering of the Egyptian people. Indeed, concern over potential non-combatant casualties forced Eden to abandon Alexandria as a bridgehead for invasion. While planning the Egyptian campaign, Mountbatten and other British leaders fretted that attacking cities would stigmatize them as 'murderers and baby killers' and injure Britain internationally. During Revise Phase I, in which bombers struck airfields, Eden repeatedly modified target lists to avoid hitting civilians, Just before British and French forces stormed Port Said, the cabinet limited bomb and gun size for aerial and naval bombardment despite their knowledge that such restrictions might increase British losses. Although some military commanders disregarded these stipulations, the restrictions illustrate palpable British concern--political, moral, or otherwise--at the highest level for non-combatant safety.

"Yet the very success of Revise rested on terrorizing Egypt's civilian population. Phase II, which Keightly hoped would form the crux of allied military operations by forcing a regime change in Egypt, attempted to coerce Egyptians through a bombing offensive. RAF planners who designed the 'aero-psychological' campaign had full confidence that disrupting daily life would compel Egypt's people to topple Nasser. Airstrikes against communications and transportation networks were to be the mechanism for paralyzing Egyptian society.

"Perhaps recognizing the contradictions in British strategy, and at last understanding the political repercussions of a terror bombing campaign, Eden eliminated many of Phase II's more aggressive tactics. Aircrew resistance and technical challenges undercut other aspects of the aerial offensive. However, many bombs still fell on Egypt, inflicting scores, perhaps hundreds, of civilian casualties in Cairo and adjoining areas. British pilots, operating unfamiliar weapons systems and steeped in an 'area bombing' culture rather than in precision tactics, often placed ordnance on unintended targets, killing or wounding non-combatants. International pressure *and an awareness that Phase II served to rally, not destroy, Egyptian morale* led Keightly to cancel Phase II soon after its awkward inception.." [my emphasis--DT]

Varble concludes (p. 92) that

"Strategic bombing was the least successful of the aerial missions. Revise Phase II and its aero-psychological ambitions proved an abject disappointment...[Eden] failed to grasp how the world might respond to the sight of British planes raining bombs on Cairo. Also, RAF weapons and skills were unsuited to the task at hand--disrupting the Egyptian economy and damaging morale while inflicting minimal civilian casualties. The RAF had no tradition of pinpoint bombing, and in an era before precision- guided munitions high-altitude night attacks against specific targets were quite difficult. Under these conditions, ordnance dispersed, as happened during Revise Phase I Canberra and Valiant raids on Egyptian airfields. In the end, relatively few bombs fell, and those that did mostly missed, leaving the Egyptian air force intact and Egyptian morale strong..."
the revised strategy of the french was to keep holding the canal zone. If britain went with this and pursued no military actions outside the canal zone nasser's plan would have ended very fast.
 
the revised strategy of the french was to keep holding the canal zone. If britain went with this and pursued no military actions outside the canal zone nasser's plan would have ended very fast.
So they hold the canal zone while their troops are subject to sniping, they can't use the canal (even in OTL it took months to clear it after the cease-fire--in this ATL there would of course be additional Egyptian sabotage) and then there is the problem of oil: "Intended to protect the flow of oil to western Europe, it [the Suez operation] not only deprived the shipping companies of their shortest route to markets but led to sabotage of nearly all the direct pipelines to the Mediterranean, forcing Britain and France to readopt petrol rationing..." https://books.google.com/books?id=QXo4AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT348

I just don't see British public opinion sustaining this, even if Ike had not threatened sanctions.
 
Britain could well say
"How much money do we owe you? That's right, nothing!"
"Want to refuel at RN yards, what a pity,"
"Use our overseas, bases, sorry."
"Yes, that is right, Rover now own Ford UK."
 
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