Woodrow Wilson was never PM, though.
EDIT: When can we expect the 2018 election wikibox?
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Woodrow Wilson was never PM, though.
EDIT: When can we expect the 2018 election wikibox?
He is that bad and there were 'better' political options which were available to Britannia people at that point in the timeline (remember it is a type II timeline), but I will not say more or I will go onto all consuming rant again.
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I've already gone over this after you asked the last time. Bush is the prime minister ITTL due to the reasons I outlined, which make sense to me and many others. You mentioned Blair would have wiped the floor with him, but the SDP were in no position to win a plurality in 2001. Bush got booted out by his party in 2004 due in part to his failings in government.
I get that you really don't agree with me on this aspect of that timeline. But his tenure in office is canon and it isn't changing.
That is why didn’t mention him by name and understand your reasoning even if don’t agree with it of some level and I accept it is canon.
The only I mentioned it was as a joke and also to clarify my statement I case you read my statement without the joke and turned around and said “where’d you the one who didn’t like/had a problem with the part of bush being PM?”
I only clarified because someone thought I was mentioning Woodrow Wilson, I wish I had left it out now because no one is commenting on the main part of the post rather the little joke at the beginning.
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Thanks
I assume you mean the old Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes threads? I may relink them in a new post.
But everything from their will be getting new updated posts.
Assassin's Creed - no, it was a one-shot and I don't have any plans to revisit it.
Stargate Ad Astra is still in the works, but I am just about keeping steady with one TL that I don't want to take on too much. There might be a couple of things from that series later this year if I get round to the write-ups.
So I'm unlikely to do any major spin-offs, but the MCU may crop up in this thread as in universe comics and films.
Star Trek is something I want to explore. And myself and @Excelsior are currently working on Star Wars. So watch this space.
One key thing here is that from day one of the Cold War, Britain and the Soviets could hit each other's capitals. There's also the fact that the Cold War wasn't as cold as ours, and from the late 50s onwards there was the Entente Étrange between the two superpowers. No Cuban misisle crisis or analogue also helped.
Can't really comment on how the British Imperial Space Administration came into existence, but it was definitely better funded during and after the Space Race. Hence the greater space, lunar and martian presence alluded to the the U.K.E. post.
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Well this July is the fifth anniversary of the series! So I'm optimistic to have it done by then.
My plan is to complete the retcons by July, and then have some big infoboxes and map graphics for the anniversary.
First I replied to your statement about bush being PM #2186, I replied the same time you posted.
Secondly my main question which is why I mentioned the Fallout games was that as the Capital of the UKE was at risk as soon as the Cold War start and the transcontinental scope of the UKE was their any war plans to deal with this on either side.
For UKE it so large that the USSR couldn’t effectively reach all of it but it capital was it range, the head could died so how do keep the body from collapsing.
Was there plans separate war commands on the different Continents and a backup civilian government/command set up somewhere difficult for the Soviets to reach.
For the Soviets how do they achieve MAD if they can’t reach all of their enemy because a) that puts them in a weaken bargaining position and b) means their enemy has enough time to make sure they died while the enemy live which defeats the point of MAD.
Hey Leinad, small favor but would you mind moving your wikiboxes that are on the wikibox thread over to this timeline? Just so it is easier for us readers to find.
Also, I am interested in big Morocco. Are they richer than IOTL?
The list of nations I am interested in are:
1. Morocco
2. Russia
3. Romania
4. Poland
5. Venice
6. Naples
7. Manchuria.
Also, I am interested in big Morocco. Are they richer than IOTL?
The list of nations I am interested in are:
1. Morocco
2. Russia
3. Romania
4. Poland
5. Venice
6. Naples
7. Manchuria.
Deeply sorry if this has been asked before, but how are Native Americans treated in this massive British empire? Because historically speaking, Brits have not treated indigenous people well (their actions can be at best described as crimes against humanity, and at worst be considered outright genocide).
Sorry for the bummer subject matter, just curious.
Sorry for the bummer subject matter, just curious.
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I don't mind having the discussion, so long as we aren't just rehashing what we both said last time.
no harm done. If I do a 2001 election post that will maybe answer more of your questions.Well I think MAD was always going to be a thing with nuclear weapons. While at first Britain and the Soviets would have been able to hit each other's capitals (British Home Isles, western Soviet Union, and probably Siberia/Alaska and Oregon), this would have been enough to act as a deterrent. The development of nuclear-armed submarines and intercontinental ballistic missiles by both powers would have further entrenched MAD, especially as a Soviet sub could have been in position to hit British America, Australia or even the smaller island dominions.
There was a general contingency plan, that in the event of the nuclear bombing of London, and the incapacitation of the Imperial government, the Columbian First Minister would coordinate the response in the rest of the Empire as effectively the "first among equals" of the dominion first ministers, most likely convening a rump parliament as well. Possibly nuclear bunkers under Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle, and contingencies for the succession to the Crown (the Dukes of Manhattan are the most senior in the line of succession to reside in North America).
As I've said before, the Cold War ITTL might be better called the "Quiet War", as Britain and the Soviets weren't as antagonistic towards each other as OTL USA was. The Entente Étrange between the two superpowers meant there was some relationship between the two.
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I answered this about an hour before you asked:
Probably.
Good to know, but it's RUMANIA ITTL.
Yes we really behaved quite shitty towards them didn't we...
Australia and New Zealand are as OTL. In North America, I unfortunately cannot see it going much different. However, some key points:
The OTL Canadian relationship with the First Nations is the broad template followed in the American dominions. With agreements between tribes and the Crown to establish reserves.
The Iroquois were able to secure protected status for their territory in the late 18th century, eventually formalised into a colony and later province. Though nowadays they are much like the Maori.
The Ohio Country was preserved as an "Indian reservation" and so many Native Americans relocated there in the late 18th and throughout the early 19th century. Indian residential schools would never had occurred here, and this is probably the "best" area to have been a Native American. Many peoples and tribes relocated here when they were forced out by European settlers.
Carolina and Virginia deported their natives west into Louisiana and the modern states of Wichita and Sequoyah. But this had the effect of creating a unified identity and a third group in the fractious dominion, alongside Anglos and Cajuns.
The fact that a prime minister, Charles Curtis, was of part Native American descent would have helped matters. And I imagine many policies (like the schools) would have been wrapped up and abolished in the 1970s under the SDP and Liberal governments.
A silver lining is that after the Kirk reforms of the early 1970s to the Imperial Council, 6 seats are reserved for election by enrolled members of the First Nations; 1 Iroquois, 1 Maori, 1 Louisiana Aboriginals, 2 other American First Nations, and 1 Australian Aborigine.
There are 5 parts of the Empire where Native Americans played a major role and in some places form a majority: Genesee Iroquoia (Columbia), Indiana and Anishinaabe (Ohio Country), Wichita and Sequoyah (Louisiana). Across the rest of the continent there are reserves of various size, mostly in Canada and Oregon, and less so in Missouri and Carolina.
Hope that answers your questions. Anything else just ask.
the global great gameYou could call it the Second Great Game.
Philippines
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Human fossils suggest that modern Homo sapiens have inhabited the Philippines for nearly seventy thousand years. Negrito groups were the first inhabitants to settle in the prehistoric Philippines, but by the first millenium CE successive waves of Austronesian peoples began to migrate to the islands. These groups displaced the aboriginal population, and gradually absorbed them through intermarriage. Settlements and polities with varying degrees of economic specialisation and organisation emerged arond major river deltas, forming the predecessors of modern-day population centres, and some scholars considered their social complexity to be representative of nascent states. These polities were influence by the Hindu-Buddhist culture from India, spread by the many campaigns throughout Southeast Asia, and the rise of Buddhist kingdoms enabled trade with the Indonesian archipelago and further afield. Chinese merchants arrived in the Philippines in the 8th century CE, establishing several Sinicised triutary states allied to China, while Islam spread into the region from Arabia through commerce and proselytism, bringing traders and missionaries, and the first Arabs arrived in Mandanao in the 14th century. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, the Philippine Islands were dominated by small states that alternated from between being part of or being influenced by larger Asian empires like the Ming Dynasty, Majapahit and Brunei or rebelling and waging war against them.
Ferdinand Magellan became the first European to visit the Philippines, when he landed in Eastern Samar on 17 March 1521. Spanish colonisation began in 1565 with the arrival of Conquistador Miguel López de Legazpi's expedition from New Spain, what is now Mexico, and the establishment of the first permanent settlement in Cebu on 27 April 1565. In a short period of time much of the archipelago came under Spanish rule, creating the first unified political entity in the islands, and naming them Filipinas after King Felipe II of Spains. In 1575 the islands were reorganised as a Captaincy General and adminstered as a dependency of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. Spanish colonial rule saw the introduction of Roman Catholicism, the code of law and the establishment of the oldest modern university in Asia, while Manila became the western hub of the trans-Pacific trade. The fragmented and sparsely populated nature of the islands made it easy for Spanish colonisation, with education playing a major role in the socio-economic transformation of the Philippines, introducing elements of western civilisation alongside new food resources. By the end of the Spanish colonial period, Filipinos were among the most educated subjects in all of Asia.
During Spanish rule, the Philippines was never a profitable colony, and during its history was subjected to attempted invasions from the Dutch, intermittent conflict with the Muslims in the south, and Japanese Wokou piracy. Despite this, the colony remained in Spanish hands fro three hundred years, and although the British briefly occupied Manila during the Seven Years' War, the Spanish remained in control of most of the country. Following the Latin American Wars of Independence, the islands were administered directly from Spain after the brutal suppression of an attempted uprising by Criollo and Latino soldiers and officers from the now independent Latin American nations. The 18th century saw the growth of an educated and wealthy middle class, and the emergence of a burgeoning Filipino nationalist movement that sought independence from Spanish colonial rule. During the Spanish Revolution, the islands erupted in revolt against the Royalist regime, establishing the revolutionary First Philippine Republic in Angeles, Pampanga under President Hilario Aquino, which fought a guerrilla war against the Spanish for five years. In April 1868, the British became involved in the Revolution, and elements of the Royal Navy sailed to the Philippines to engage the Spanish forces. The decisive British victory over the Spanish in Manila Bay and their occupation of Manila led to the Philippine Declaration of Independence on 24 May 1868. On 2 September 1868, the Peace of Lisbon was agreed, ending the Spanish Revolution and transferring the islands to the British Empire, who took possession of the Philippines as its colonial power. The First Philippine Republic objected to the terms and began an armed struggle and insurrection, the Philippine Revolt, against British forces.
The revolt lasted four years, with the First Phlippine Republic had largely collapsed by October 1870 leaving the British in full control of the islands, although many Philippine revolutionary groups continued to battle British forces using guerilla tactics in remote mountainous areas and islands. The San Isidro Agreement, signed on 10 February 1872, agreed to a ceasefire and the recognition of British sovereignty over the Philippines, with extensive self-government for the islands under a British-appointed governor. On 17 February, Aquino announced allegiance to the British Crown, formally ending the First Republic. Unlike most crown colonies, the Crown Colony of the Philippines was largely self-governing from its creation, with native Filipinos heavily involved in the colonial administration, and a semi-elected Legislative Council. As part of the British colonial empire, the Philippines experienced extensive modernisation and an economic boom as investment poored in and the islands became open to trade with other imperial territories. New healthcare and education systems were established, and the practices of slavery and headhunting were ended. Culturally, the Philippines underwent widespread changes with the disestablishment of the Catholic Church and the introduction of English as the primary language of government, education, business and industry, to the point that by the end of the 19th century, English was used by the media and the vast majority of educated Filipinos. Continued demand for self-government led to the establishment of a bicameral legislature in 1907, with the fully elected Legislative Assembly as the lower house, with the hybrid elected and appointed Legislative Council becoming the upper house.
On 15 November 1911, the Philippines became the first "non-white" part of the Empire to gain home rule and non-integrated dominion status as the "Commonwealth of the Philippines", with the election of Andrés Bonifacio as the country's first prime minister. During the First World War, the Philippines supported the British war effort as part of the Empire, supplying troops and volunteers to the Western Front and the Arabian War, while the nascent Royal Philippine Navy saw action in the Asian and Pacific Theatre. The status of the islands as a spearate realm of the British Crown, and an "autonomous community of the British Empire", was confirmed by the 1931 Statute of Westminster, marking the beginning of the Philippines formal independence. The production of cheap commodities in the islands helped the country to weather the effect of the Great Depression. China launched a surprise air attack on the military base at Subic Bay on the morning of 7 July 1937, marking the outbreak of the East Asian War. Coninued aerial raids and bombardments would continue intermittently until the morning of 8 December 1941, when Chinese ground troops landed on Luzon. In the face of superior numbers, the defending British Commonwealth and Philippine forces engaged in a fighting withdrawal until by January 1942 most of the islands were under Chinese control and by April all Allied forces had surrendered. The Quezon government had evacuated to Australia, where they established a government-in-exile, with the remaining Allied forces reinforced the siege of Singapore while remnants continued an underground guerilla war in the islands.
The Chinese military authorities established the Second Philippine Republic, a puppet presidential republic led by Artemio Ricarte. The occupation of the Philippines was the bloodiest theatre of the East Asian War, with more than half a million Chinese troops killed during the war. British Commonwealth forces began the liberation of the Philippines in October 1944, although fighting continued until the death Ricart on 31 July 1945 and the surrender of Manila on 2 September 1945. The restoration of the commonwealth and the return of the government-in-exile was welcomed by nearly all Filipinos, as the collaborationist Republic was highly unpopular, and accelerated the path to independence. Britain retained its major military and naval bases, while massive spending projects were intiated to rebuild the country's devastated infrastructure and economy, and over the decades the Philippine economy emerged as one of the strongest in Southeast Asia. Constitutional reforms in the 1980s led to the patriation of the consitution on 22 February 1986, severing the last legislative links with the British Empire, and removing the last powers from the viceregal representative, renamed the president-general.
In the 21st century, the Philippines is an emerging market and a newly industrialised country, with an economy based primarily on agriculture, with growing services and manufacturing sectors. With a population nearly 100 million, made up of many ethnicities and cultures spread across its islands, the Philippines is the seventh-most populated country in Asia, the third-most populated Commonwealth member state and the the 12th-most populated country in the world. Owing to its rich history of native, Hispanic, Commonwealth, Christian, Buddhist and Islamic influences, the Philippines is home to a unqiue and vibrant culture. The Philippines is a founding member of the United Nations, the Commonwealth of Nations and the Common Defence Pact, maintaining close relations with its former colonising power through economic and military cooperation, although in recent decades the country has persued closer relations with the Greater East Asian Cooperative Sphere.
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The Commonwealth of the Philippines, also commonly known as the Philippine Islands, is an archipelagic soverign state in Southeast Asia, consisting of more than 7,000 islands grouped into three main geographical divisions from north to south: Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. Bounded by the South China Sea on the west, the Philippine Sea on the west and the Celebes Sea on the southwest, the Philippines shares maritime borders with the Empire of Japan to the north and northeast, the Federation of Micronesia to the east, the Confederate States of Indonesia to the south, the Sultanate of Sulu to the southwest and west, and the Federal Republic of China and the People's Republic of Hainan to the northwest. The Philippines is a Commonwealth realm governed as a federal parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy in the Westminster tradition, with a monarch, presently Elizabeth II who is represented by a president-general, and a prime minister who serves as the head of government. The capital city of the Philippines is Manila and the most populous city is Quezon City, both within the single urban area of Metro Manila on the island of Luzon.
Human fossils suggest that modern Homo sapiens have inhabited the Philippines for nearly seventy thousand years. Negrito groups were the first inhabitants to settle in the prehistoric Philippines, but by the first millenium CE successive waves of Austronesian peoples began to migrate to the islands. These groups displaced the aboriginal population, and gradually absorbed them through intermarriage. Settlements and polities with varying degrees of economic specialisation and organisation emerged arond major river deltas, forming the predecessors of modern-day population centres, and some scholars considered their social complexity to be representative of nascent states. These polities were influence by the Hindu-Buddhist culture from India, spread by the many campaigns throughout Southeast Asia, and the rise of Buddhist kingdoms enabled trade with the Indonesian archipelago and further afield. Chinese merchants arrived in the Philippines in the 8th century CE, establishing several Sinicised triutary states allied to China, while Islam spread into the region from Arabia through commerce and proselytism, bringing traders and missionaries, and the first Arabs arrived in Mandanao in the 14th century. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, the Philippine Islands were dominated by small states that alternated from between being part of or being influenced by larger Asian empires like the Ming Dynasty, Majapahit and Brunei or rebelling and waging war against them.
Ferdinand Magellan became the first European to visit the Philippines, when he landed in Eastern Samar on 17 March 1521. Spanish colonisation began in 1565 with the arrival of Conquistador Miguel López de Legazpi's expedition from New Spain, what is now Mexico, and the establishment of the first permanent settlement in Cebu on 27 April 1565. In a short period of time much of the archipelago came under Spanish rule, creating the first unified political entity in the islands, and naming them Filipinas after King Felipe II of Spains. In 1575 the islands were reorganised as a Captaincy General and adminstered as a dependency of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. Spanish colonial rule saw the introduction of Roman Catholicism, the code of law and the establishment of the oldest modern university in Asia, while Manila became the western hub of the trans-Pacific trade. The fragmented and sparsely populated nature of the islands made it easy for Spanish colonisation, with education playing a major role in the socio-economic transformation of the Philippines, introducing elements of western civilisation alongside new food resources. By the end of the Spanish colonial period, Filipinos were among the most educated subjects in all of Asia.
During Spanish rule, the Philippines was never a profitable colony, and during its history was subjected to attempted invasions from the Dutch, intermittent conflict with the Muslims in the south, and Japanese Wokou piracy. Despite this, the colony remained in Spanish hands fro three hundred years, and although the British briefly occupied Manila during the Seven Years' War, the Spanish remained in control of most of the country. Following the Latin American Wars of Independence, the islands were administered directly from Spain after the brutal suppression of an attempted uprising by Criollo and Latino soldiers and officers from the now independent Latin American nations. The 18th century saw the growth of an educated and wealthy middle class, and the emergence of a burgeoning Filipino nationalist movement that sought independence from Spanish colonial rule. During the Spanish Revolution, the islands erupted in revolt against the Royalist regime, establishing the revolutionary First Philippine Republic in Angeles, Pampanga under President Hilario Aquino, which fought a guerrilla war against the Spanish for five years. In April 1868, the British became involved in the Revolution, and elements of the Royal Navy sailed to the Philippines to engage the Spanish forces. The decisive British victory over the Spanish in Manila Bay and their occupation of Manila led to the Philippine Declaration of Independence on 24 May 1868. On 2 September 1868, the Peace of Lisbon was agreed, ending the Spanish Revolution and transferring the islands to the British Empire, who took possession of the Philippines as its colonial power. The First Philippine Republic objected to the terms and began an armed struggle and insurrection, the Philippine Revolt, against British forces.
The revolt lasted four years, with the First Phlippine Republic had largely collapsed by October 1870 leaving the British in full control of the islands, although many Philippine revolutionary groups continued to battle British forces using guerilla tactics in remote mountainous areas and islands. The San Isidro Agreement, signed on 10 February 1872, agreed to a ceasefire and the recognition of British sovereignty over the Philippines, with extensive self-government for the islands under a British-appointed governor. On 17 February, Aquino announced allegiance to the British Crown, formally ending the First Republic. Unlike most crown colonies, the Crown Colony of the Philippines was largely self-governing from its creation, with native Filipinos heavily involved in the colonial administration, and a semi-elected Legislative Council. As part of the British colonial empire, the Philippines experienced extensive modernisation and an economic boom as investment poored in and the islands became open to trade with other imperial territories. New helathcare and education systems were establlished, and the practices of slavery and headhunting were ended. Culturally, the Philippines underwent widespread changes with the disestablishment of the Catholic Church and the introduction of English as the primary language of government, education, business and industry, to the point that by the end of the 19th century, English was used by the media and the vast majority of educated Filipinos. Continued demand for self-government led to the establishment of a bicameral legislature in 1907, with the fully elected Legislative Assembly as the lower house, with the hybrid elected and appointed Legislative Council becoming the upper house.
On 15 November 1911, the Philippines became the first "non-white" part of the Empire to gain home rule and non-integrated dominion status as the "Commonwealth of the Philippines", with the election of Andrés Bonifacio as the country's first prime minister. During the First World War, the Philippines supported the British war effort as part of the Empire, supplying troops and volunteers to the Western Front and the Arabian War, while the nascent Royal Philippine Navy saw action in the Asian and Pacific Theatre. The status of the islands as a spearate realm of the British Crown, and an "autonomous community of the British Empire", was confirmed by the 1931 Statute of Westminster, marking the beginning of the Philippines formal independence. The production of cheap commodities in the islands helped the country to weather the effect of the Great Depression. China launched a surprise air attack on the military base at Subic Bay on the morning of 7 July 1937, marking the outbreak of the East Asian War. Coninued aerial raids and bombardments would continue intermittently until the morning of 8 December 1941, when Chinese ground troops landed on Luzon. In the face of superior numbers, the defending British Commonwealth and Philippine forces engaged in a fighting withdrawal until by January 1942 most of the islands were under Chinese control and by April all Allied forces had surrendered. The Quezon government had evacuated to Australia, where they established a government-in-exile, while the remaining Allied forces reinforced the siege of Singapore while remnants continued an underground guerilla war in the islands.
The Chinese military authorities established the Second Philippine Republic, a puppet presidential republic led by Artemio Ricarte. The occupation of the Philippines was the bloodiest theatre of the East Asian War, with more than half a million Chinese troops killed during the war. British Commonwealth forces began the liberation of the Philippines in October 1944, although fighting continued until the death Ricart on 31 July 1945 and the surrender of Manila on 2 September 1945. The restoration of the commonwealth and the return of the government-in-exile was welcomed by nearly all Filipinos, as the collaborationist Republic was highly unpopular, and accelerated the path to independence. Britain retained its major military and naval bases, while massive spending projects were intiated to rebuild the country's devastated infrastructure and economy, and over the decades the Philippine economy emerged as one of the strongest in Southeast Asia. Constitutional reforms in the 1980s led to the patriation of the consitution on 22 February 1986, severing the last legislative links with the British Empire, and removing the last powers from the viceregal represnetative, renamed the president-general.
In the 21st century, the Philippines is an emerging market and a newly industrialised country, with an economy based primarily on agriculture, with growing services and manufacturing sectors. With a population nearly 100 million, made up of many ethnicities and cultures spread across its islands, the Philippines is the seventh-most populated country in Asia, the third-most populated Commonwealth member state and the the 12th-most populated country in the world. Owing to its rich history of native, Hispanic, Commonwealth, Christian, Buddhist and Islamic influences, the Philippines is home to a unqiue and vibrant culture. The Philippines is a founding member of the United Nations, the Commonwealth of Nations and the Common Defence Pact, maintaining close relations with its former colonising power through economic and military cooperation, although in recent decades the country has persued closer relations with the Greater East Asian Cooperative Sphere.
Amazing box and writeup, but both the South China and Philippine seas are on the west in the first paragraph.
Hey @LeinadB93, think you could release more lists of party leaders like you did in the Social Credit post? It would be interesting to see what kind of people had the opportunity to get in the government.