Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

If there isn't any ethnic cleansing stuff, I think it would demographically be something like 30% Turkish, 30% Armenian, 25% Kurdish, 15% other (including Greek and Arab). Makes me wonder how stable it would be as a US state.

Their delegation to the Paris Peace Conference claimed the state to have the following demographic makeup:

2.5 million Armenians
.5 million other Christian (Assyrian?)
.5 million Turks, Arabs, Persians, Circassians
.3 million Tartars
.2 million Kurds
.3 million other faiths


No, I have no idea where they got their numbers from.
 
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A Swiss print of the Hoare–Laval Plan that ultimately failed and lead to the complete break between Italy and its former allies.
I found this in the archive section of the Basel Mission Society which is an amazing resource for old maps of colonial Africa and Asia, specifically for rare subjects like tribal political entities or Indonesian princely states. Very cool site though the sorting is absolute garbage
 
In 1928 the Bund zur Erneuerung des Reiches (League to Reform the Empire), headed by the former chancellor Hans Luther (which is why some refer to this organization as the Luther-Bund), was a movement to reform the Weimar Republic in a very substantial way: a partial end of the federalism which dominated German politics up to that point and, excluding the Nazi dictatorship, continues to play a big role to this day.

This was supposed to be done by turning Prussia, potentially including many if not all smaller German states which used to make up the old North German Federation, into what they wanted to call a Reichsland, which would not have a distinct state government but would instead be governed directly by the national government. This Reichsland would still have provinces like the former Free State of Prussia, which would however have only minimal levels of self-government but which would be represented in the Reichsrat (the Weimar equivalent to the imperial and modern Bundesrat).

Only Saxony, Bavaria, Württemberg, and Baden would keep their own state governments and their pre-existing privileges.

While the Luther-Bund had several prominent supporters, including Konrad Adenauer, there was no broad base of support for the proposal, which by some has been compared to the current state of devolution in the United Kingdom.

Here's a very quick WorldA patch for the proposal using the territory of the Weimar Republic in 1928.

Reichsland Preußen Proposal.png
 
So here's something I made showing the popularity of various proposed separatist movements and suggestions for new independent states. Also, in the spoiler you can see all the sources I used to make this.

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http://blogs.reuters.com/jamesrgain...t-their-state-to-secede-from-the-u-s-but-why/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Bougainvillean_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_Caledonian_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_South_is_My_Country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Kurdistan_Region_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Venetian_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbass_status_referendums
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Curaçao_status_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kurdistan_Region_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Anjouan_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Quebec_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_United_States_Virgin_Islands_status_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Tatarstani_sovereignty_referendum
https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpr...atism-01-1.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&strip=all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements
http://polling.reuters.com/#!response/TM350Y14/type/day/dates/20140823-20200115/collapsed/false
http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...ng-hongkongers-back-independence-and-are-less
https://jolygram.com/profile/intrestingmaps/photo/1887184387742996606_4842008405
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania#Opinion_polling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Belgium
The independence support in Catalonia is about 44-48%.
 
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A Swiss print of the Hoare–Laval Plan that ultimately failed and lead to the complete break between Italy and its former allies.
I found this in the archive section of the Basel Mission Society which is an amazing resource for old maps of colonial Africa and Asia, specifically for rare subjects like tribal political entities or Indonesian princely states. Very cool site though the sorting is absolute garbage

Here is an MBAM. Was somewhat unsure about the exact proposed boundaries of the territorial exchanges.
hoare_laval_test.png
 
Found this map of Portuguese colonial ambitions in Africa (Pink Map)
Mapa_Cor-de-Rosa.jpg


Here is an MBAM of the Map. Sadly the resolution of the map is somewhat low, therefore I was insecure about several borders.
pinkmaplarge.png
 
Found this map of Portuguese colonial ambitions in Africa (Pink Map)
Mapa_Cor-de-Rosa.jpg


Here is an MBAM of the Map. Sadly the resolution of the map is somewhat low, therefore I was insecure about several borders.
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I have another Pink Map, this time it's easier to see:
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Here’s a higher resolution map

What a pipe dream... Portugal already had lots of problem controlling Angola and Mozambique (pacification was achieved only in about 1917 for Mozambique, 1925 for Angola ), IRL Portugal only could “develop” some coastal cities some plantations and mines, so there Mashonaland/matabeleland will be much less developped than IRL...

In term of native resistance it will be hell too, for exempleit took until 1917 for Portugal to submit the Ovambo of southern Angola, and with this border they will have double more to fight, i’m not even talking about pacifying “the Rhodesia” Far from. The coast

Effectively large part of the pink map will be untouched from direct colonialism until the 1940s or so
 
I have another Pink Map, this time it's easier to see:
View attachment 518476

Thanks!
Here is a second corrected version of the map. (light green for unclaimed areas)
pinkmap2.png



Here’s a higher resolution map
What a pipe dream... Portugal already had lots of problem controlling Angola and Mozambique (pacification was achieved only in about 1917 for Mozambique, 1925 for Angola ), IRL Portugal only could “develop” some coastal cities some plantations and mines, so there Mashonaland/matabeleland will be much less developped than IRL...

In term of native resistance it will be hell too, for exempleit took until 1917 for Portugal to submit the Ovambo of southern Angola, and with this border they will have double more to fight, i’m not even talking about pacifying “the Rhodesia” Far from. The coast

Effectively large part of the pink map will be untouched from direct colonialism until the 1940s or so

It seems, as if Portugal massively overestimated her ability as a colonial power in the 19. century.
Thanks
I probably need to draw a third version in the future using your link.
 
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So here's something I made showing the popularity of various proposed separatist movements and suggestions for new independent states. Also, in the spoiler you can see all the sources I used to make this.

So I did something similar, this time showing various suggested unificationist/annexationist movements.

Sources listed below
 
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