Your thinking something along the lines of Douglas' A-4 Skyhawk?
But more geared for air to air rather than air to ground. The two would be good partners.
Your thinking something along the lines of Douglas' A-4 Skyhawk?
GREECE
1960's
120 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 234 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
60 x Mirage V's (French built) instead of 120 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
1980's
60 x Mirage F-1's (French built) to replace Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's (French built) to replace Mirage V's from 1984
2000's
48 x Rafale's (French built) to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's
What does the UK buy if there is no Tornado?Dassault a Go Go!
Continuing on from my previous Phantom's & SAAB's a Go Go threads this one also continues in the same timeline and concerns the Mirage then Rafale becoming a standard Euro- fighter with the following nations funding their development including license production.
BELGIUM
1960's
120 x Mirage III's built to replace 231 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961
60 x Mirage V's built instead of 113 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
1980's
60 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 120 x Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 60 x Mirage V's from 1984
No F-16 ordered.
2000's
48 x Rafale's built to replace both Mirage F-1 & 2000's
GERMANY
1960's
280 x Mirage III's built to replace 558 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961
460 Mirage V's built instead of 916 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
No F-4 Phantom's purchased.
1980's
120 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1980
240 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984
No Panavia Tornado's program instigated
2000's
180 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's
GREECE
1960's
120 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 234 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
60 x Mirage V's (French built) instead of 120 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
1980's
60 x Mirage F-1's (French built) to replace Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's (French built) to replace Mirage V's from 1984
2000's
48 x Rafale's (French built) to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's
ITALY
144 x Mirage III's built to replace 216 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
144 x Mirage V's built instead of F-104 Starfighter's & G-91's from 1967
1980's
72 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1980
72 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984
No Panavia Tornado's program instigated
2000's
72 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's
NETHERLANDS
1960's
132 x Mirage III's built to replace 201 x F-84 Thunderstreak' s & Canadair NF-5's from 1961
108 x Mirage V's built instead of 138 x F-104 Starfighter's & Canadair NF-5's from 1967
1980's
72 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 132 x Mirage III's from 1980
48 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 108 x Mirage V's from 1984
No F-16's ordered
2000
60 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1 & 2000
SPAIN
1960's
21 x Mirage III's (French built) instead of F-104 Starfighter's
1970's
36 x Mirage F-1's (French built) instead of 70 x Northrop F-5
1980's
No F-18 purchased
2000's
36 x Rafale's (license built) to replace Mirage III's & F-1's
PORTUGAL
1960's
60 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 128 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961
1970's
48 x Mirage V''s (French built) to replace F-86 Sabre's from 1970
No Aeritalia G-91's ordered
1980's
No Vought Corairs II's ordered
2000
36 x Rafale's (Spanish built) to replace Mirage III's & V's
Licence built F15's for interceptors, and licence built SAAB Viggen's as Strike Fighters.What does the UK buy if there is no Tornado?
Viggens???Licence built F15's for interceptors, and licence built SAAB Viggen's as Strike Fighters.
So how exactly do the Greeks buy 180 Mirages in the 1960s when in OTL they bought zero new planes with their own money, why they buy no planes in 1974-80 when OTL they bought 179 F-4E, Mirage F-1 and A-7E, why they buy F-1 in the 1980s (Dassault was offering 120 Mirage 2000 and local production in 1980) and actually buy only 100 instead of the 120 bought up to 1992 and then why 48 Rafales in place of 105 new fighters in the early 2000?
What does the UK buy if there is no Tornado?
There is no chance of them buying a French design, so clearly it has to be US.
So 15s, 16s or 18s?
I am guessing it would have to be 15s to give the range and two-engine safety over water for long range interception.
Would there be any chance of Dassault agreeing to sell jets to Germany given Bloch's history with them?
During the occupation of France by Nazi Germany during World War II, France’s aviation industry was virtually disbanded,[4] other than the compulsory manufacturing, assembly and servicing of German designs. In October 1940, Bloch refused to collaborate with the Germans occupiers at Bordeaux-Aéronautique and was imprisoned by the Vichy government. In 1944 the Nazis deported Bloch to the Buchenwald concentration camp,[1] as punishment for refusing to co-operate with their regime. He was tortured and beaten and held in solitary confinement. In the meantime his wife was interned near Paris. Bloch was detained at Buchenwald until it was liberated on 11 April 1945. By the time of his return to Paris he was crippled to such an extent that he could barely walk. He was advised by his doctors to settle his affairs, as they did not expect him to recover his health. [1]
After the war he changed his name from Bloch to Bloch-Dassault and in 1949 to Dassault. Dassault was the nom de guerre used by his brother, General Darius Paul Bloch, when he served in the French resistance,[1] and is derived from char d'assaut, French for "battle tank".[note 1] In 1971 Dassault acquired Breguet, forming Avions Marcel Dassault-Breguet Aviation (AMD-BA).
Not that this stopped Dassault and Dornier working together to design and build the Alpha Jet in the 1970'sRe: Bloch/Dassault and Germans:
If you really want to do a Dassault wan have the Mirage IIIW win over the F5
Re: Bloch/Dassault and Germans: