Fictional inventory of modern airforces

Riain

Banned
From a whole force structure and regional perspective the Skyhawk is more than adequate well into the 80s without having to undertake major modifications to the basic aircraft. In the Australian context from 1970 the Skyhawks on the HMAS Melbourne were backed by RAAF Mirages, F4/F111 and P3s as well as submarines and surface ships; these other assets will tie up the types of enemy capabilities that could otherwise be deployed against the Melbourne and her Skyhawks which makes this capability longer lasting than it appears to be at first glance.
 
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SAAB's a Go-GO!

Similar to my previous Phantom's a Go-Go and set in the same timeline!

This is a post where Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway & Switzerland join with Sweden's SAAB Aerospace to develop common fighter/attack aircraft which would be license manufactured by the said nations to create or grow their aerospace industries. They'd be no US Military Aid Program and thus some of the Air Forces in question would halve their numbers to fund these developments and rely on quality not quantity.

AUSTRIA

Air Force funded to 72 aircraft.

1950's

36 SAAB 29 Tunnan's built (30 in OTL)
36 SAAB 32 Lansen's built

1960's

36 SAAB 35 Draken's built to replace SAAB 29's

1970's

36 SAAB 37 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's

1990's

Air Force halved due to ending of the Cold War.

36 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace SAAB 35's
All SAAB 37's retired.

DENMARK

1950's

132 SAAB 29's Tunnan's built
132 SAAB 32's Lansen's built

(59 x F-68, 30 x Hawker Hunter, 244 x Republic F-84 Thunderjet, 120 x F-100 Super Sabre purchased in OTL)

1960's

132 x SAAB 35 Draken's built to replace SAAB 29's

(72 NA F-100, 51 F-104 purchased in OTL)

1970's

132 SAAB 37 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's

1990's

Air Force halved due to ending of the Cold War

72 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace SAAB 35's
All SAAB 37's retired

(72 F-16's purchased in OTL in 1980's)

FINLAND

1950's

36 SAAB 29 Tunnan's built
24 SAAB 32 Lansen's built

(13 Folland Gnat's purchased in OTL)

1960's

36 SAAB 35 Draken's built to replace SAAB 29's

(30 Mig 21bis purchased in OTL)

1970's

24 SAAB 35 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's

1990's

60 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace entire SAAB 35 & 37 inventory

(64 McD F-18 Hornet's built in OTL)

NORWAY

1950's

36 SAAB 29's Tunnan's built
36 SAAB 32 Lansen's built

(120 North American F-86 purchased in OTL)

1960's

36 SAAB 35 Draken's built to replace SAAB 29's

(23 Lockheed F-14, 105 Northrop F-5's purchased in OTL)

1970's

36 SAAB 37 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's

1990's

Air Force halved due to ending of the Cold War

36 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace SAAB 35's
All SAAB 37's retired.

SWEDEN

1950's

600 SAAB 29 Tunnan's built
600 SAAB 32 Lansen's built

(60 DH Venom's, 120 Hawker Hunters, 661 SAAB 29's, 450 SAAB 32's purchased in OTL)

1960's

300 SAAB 35 Draken's only built to replace SAAB 29's due to reduction in Air Force numbers

(425 built in OTL)

1970's

300 SAAB 37 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's.

(329 built in OTL)

1990's

Air Force halved due to ending of the Cold War

300 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace SAAB 35's
All SAAB 37's retired.

SWITERLAND

1950's

200 SAAB 29 Tunnan's built
200 SAAB 32 Lansen's built

(182 DH Vampires, 226 DH Venom's built in OTL)

1960's

200 SAAB 35 Draken's built to replace SAAB 29's

(54 Dassault Mirage III's. 125 Hawker Hunters, purchased in OTL)

1970's

200 SAAB 37 Viggen's built to replace SAAB 32's

(115 Northrop F-5 purchased in OTL)

1990's

Air Force cut drastically due to the ending of the Cold War.

60 SAAB 39 Gripen's built to replace entire remaining inventory
All SAAB 27's retired.
 
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Lascaris

Lascaris

Hellenic Air Force A-7F. This of course needs the US to procure A-7F in the first place. But assuming the super-sluf is available, the Greeks modernize all their A-7Hs and A-7E to the A-7F standard equipping 5 squadrons with over 100 aircraft with them in 1991-95 and then receive yet more aircraft from US stocks in the early 2000. Several squadrons are still in service in 2019, unlike F-4E and even some of the earlier block F-16s...
 
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Dassault a Go Go!

Continuing on from my previous Phantom's & SAAB's a Go Go threads this one also continues in the same timeline and concerns the Dassault aircraft becoming a standard European fighter with the following nations funding the development of each model including license production.

BELGIUM

All aircraft license built by SABCA

1950's

120 x Ouragan
120 x Mystere I/II
120 x Mystere IV
120 x Super Mystere

No F-84 purchased.
No Hawker Hunter purchased

1960's

120 x Mirage III's built to replace 240 Ouragan & Mystere I/II from 1961
120 x Mirage V's built to replace 240 Mystere IV & Super Mystere from 1967

No F-104 purchased
No Avro Canada CF-100 Canucks purchased.

1970's

60 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 144 x Mirage III's from 1975

1980's

60 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 84 x Mirage V's from 1984

No F-16 ordered.

2000's

72 x Rafale's built to replace both Mirage F-1 & 2000's

FRANCE

1950's

240 x Ouragan
240 x Mystere I/II
240 x Mystere IV
240 x Super Mystere

No F-100's in service

1960's

180 x Mirage III's replaces 120 x Ouragan, 120 x Mystere I/II & 120 x Mystere IV from 1961
180 x Mirage V's replace 120 xOuragan, 120 x Mystere I/II & 120 x Mystere IV from 1967

1970's

120 x Mirage F-1 replaces 240 Super Mystere

No SEPECAT Jaguars in service

1980's

180 x Mirage 2000 replaces 180 x Mirage III's & 180 x Mirage V's

2000's

300 x Rafales replace 120 x Mirage F-1 & 180 x Mirage 2000

GERMANY

All aircraft license built by VFW

1950's

240 x Ouragan
240 x Mystere I/II
240 x Mystere I/V
240 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-86 purchased

1960's

720 x Mirage III's V's built to replace 480 x Ouragan & Mystere I/II and expand inventory from 1961
720 x Mirage V's built to replace 480 x Mystere IV & Super Mystere and expand inventory from 1967

No F-104 purchased
No F-4 Phantom's purchased
No PANAVIA Tornado program instigated

1970's

360 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1975

1980's

360 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984

2000's

180 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

GREECE

All aircraft license built by FIAT

1950's

72 x Ouragan
72 x Mystere I/II
72 x Mystere IV
72 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-86 purchased

1960's

72 x Mirage III's purchased to replace 144 Ouragan & Mystere I/II from 1961
72 x Mirage V's purchased to replace 144 Mystere I/V & Super Mystere from 1967

1970's

360 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1975

1980's

36 x Mirage 2000's (French built) to replace Mirage V's from 1984

2000's

72 x Rafale's (French built) to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

ITALY

All aircraft license built by FIAT

1950's

160 x Ouragan
160 x Mystere I/II
160 x Mystere IV
160 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-86 purchased

1960's

160 x Mirage III's built to replace 320 x Ouragan & Mystere I/II from 1961
160 x Mirage V's built to replace 320 x Mystere IV & Super Mystere from 1967

No F-104 & G-91 purchased
No PANAVIA Tornado program instigated

1970's

80 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1975

1980's

80 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984

2000's

160 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

NETHERLANDS

All aircraft license built by FOKKER

1950's

120 x Ouragan
120 x Mystere I/II
120 x Mystere IV
120 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-86 purchased
No Hawker Hunter purchased

1960's

120 x Mirage III's built to replace 240 x Ouragan & Mystere I/II from 1961
120 x Mirage V's built to replace 240 x Mystere IV & Super Mystere from 1861

No F-104 purchased
No Canadair NF-5's purchased

1970's

60 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 132 x Mirage III's from 1975

1980's

60 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 108 x Mirage V's from 1984

No F-16's ordered

2000

120 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1 & 2000

PORTUGAL

All aircraft license built by CASA

1950's

48 x Ouragan
48 x Mystere I/II
48 x Mystere IV
48 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-86 purchased

1960's

48 x Mirage III's purchased to replace 96 Ouragan & Mystere I/II from 1961

1970's

48 x Mirage V's to replace 96 x Mystere IV & Super Mystere from 1970

No G-91's ordered

1980's

No Vought Corairs II's ordered

2000

48 x Rafale's purchased to replace Mirage III's & V's

SPAIN

All aircraft license built by CASA

1950's

60 x Ouragan
60 x Mystere I/II
60 x Mystere IV
60 x Super Mystere

No F-86 purchased

1960's

30 x Mirage III's built to replace 60 x Ouragan
30 x Mirage V's built to replace 60 x Mystere I/II

No F-104 purchased

1970's

60 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 120 x Mystere IV & Super Mystere

No F-5's purchased

1980's

No F-18 purchased

2000's

120 x Rafale's (license built) to replace Mirage III's & F-1's

TURKEY

All aircraft are French built until the 1980's when they are licensed built by TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries)
1950's

160 x Ouragan
160 x Mystere I/II
160 x Mystere IV
160 x Super Mystere

No F-84 & F-100 purchased

1960's

160 x Mirage III's purchased to replace 320 x Ouragan & Mystere from 1961
80 x Mirage V's to replace Mystere IV from 1967

1970's

80 x Mirage F-1's to replace 120 x Super Mystere

No F-104's purchased

1980's

80 x Mirage 2000 built to replace 360 x Mirage II's & V's

No F-16's program

2000's

320 x Rafale license built to replace entire Mirage fleet and to expand front line force
 
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Lascaris

Lascaris

WILDGEESE said:
GREECE

1960's

120 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 234 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
60 x Mirage V's (French built) instead of 120 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967

1980's

60 x Mirage F-1's (French built) to replace Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's (French built) to replace Mirage V's from 1984

2000's

48 x Rafale's (French built) to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's
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So how exactly do the Greeks buy 180 Mirages in the 1960s when in OTL they bought zero new planes with their own money, why they buy no planes in 1974-80 when OTL they bought 179 F-4E, Mirage F-1 and A-7E, why they buy F-1 in the 1980s (Dassault was offering 120 Mirage 2000 and local production in 1980) and actually buy only 100 instead of the 120 bought up to 1992 and then why 48 Rafales in place of 105 new fighters in the early 2000?
 

Dalriadan Archangel 21

WILDGEESE said:
Dassault a Go Go!

Continuing on from my previous Phantom's & SAAB's a Go Go threads this one also continues in the same timeline and concerns the Mirage then Rafale becoming a standard Euro- fighter with the following nations funding their development including license production.

BELGIUM

1960's

120 x Mirage III's built to replace 231 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961
60 x Mirage V's built instead of 113 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
1980's

60 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 120 x Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 60 x Mirage V's from 1984
No F-16 ordered.

2000's

48 x Rafale's built to replace both Mirage F-1 & 2000's

GERMANY

1960's

280 x Mirage III's built to replace 558 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961
460 Mirage V's built instead of 916 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967
No F-4 Phantom's purchased.

1980's

120 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1980
240 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984
No Panavia Tornado's program instigated

2000's

180 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

GREECE

1960's

120 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 234 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
60 x Mirage V's (French built) instead of 120 x F-104 Starfighter's from 1967

1980's

60 x Mirage F-1's (French built) to replace Mirage III's from 1980
36 x Mirage 2000's (French built) to replace Mirage V's from 1984

2000's

48 x Rafale's (French built) to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

ITALY

144 x Mirage III's built to replace 216 x F-84 Thunderstreaks from 1961
144 x Mirage V's built instead of F-104 Starfighter's & G-91's from 1967

1980's

72 x Mirage F-1's built to replace Mirage III's from 1980
72 x Mirage 2000's built to replace Mirage V's from 1984
No Panavia Tornado's program instigated

2000's

72 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1's & 2000's

NETHERLANDS

1960's

132 x Mirage III's built to replace 201 x F-84 Thunderstreak' s & Canadair NF-5's from 1961
108 x Mirage V's built instead of 138 x F-104 Starfighter's & Canadair NF-5's from 1967

1980's

72 x Mirage F-1's built to replace 132 x Mirage III's from 1980
48 x Mirage 2000's built to replace 108 x Mirage V's from 1984
No F-16's ordered

2000

60 x Rafale's built to replace Mirage F-1 & 2000

SPAIN

1960's

21 x Mirage III's (French built) instead of F-104 Starfighter's


1970's

36 x Mirage F-1's (French built) instead of 70 x Northrop F-5

1980's

No F-18 purchased

2000's

36 x Rafale's (license built) to replace Mirage III's & F-1's

PORTUGAL

1960's

60 x Mirage III's (French built) to replace 128 x F-84 Thunderstreak's from 1961

1970's

48 x Mirage V''s (French built) to replace F-86 Sabre's from 1970
No Aeritalia G-91's ordered

1980's

No Vought Corairs II's ordered

2000

36 x Rafale's (Spanish built) to replace Mirage III's & V's
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What does the UK buy if there is no Tornado?

There is no chance of them buying a French design, so clearly it has to be US.

So 15s, 16s or 18s?

I am guessing it would have to be 15s to give the range and two-engine safety over water for long range interception.
 
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Lascaris said:
So how exactly do the Greeks buy 180 Mirages in the 1960s when in OTL they bought zero new planes with their own money, why they buy no planes in 1974-80 when OTL they bought 179 F-4E, Mirage F-1 and A-7E, why they buy F-1 in the 1980s (Dassault was offering 120 Mirage 2000 and local production in 1980) and actually buy only 100 instead of the 120 bought up to 1992 and then why 48 Rafales in place of 105 new fighters in the early 2000?
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Agreed.

But the original poster didn't actually stipulate the spending s or parameters to it on the thread so I've been spending like there's no tomorrow.

Regards filers
 
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WILDGEESE

Dalriadan Archangel 21 said:
What does the UK buy if there is no Tornado?

There is no chance of them buying a French design, so clearly it has to be US.

So 15s, 16s or 18s?

I am guessing it would have to be 15s to give the range and two-engine safety over water for long range interception.
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Possibly improving the Bucc' with equipment that could've been developed for the 'still born' Tornado.

Then license production of the F-15E to replace them in the late 80's

Regards filers
 
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Mike D said:
Would there be any chance of Dassault agreeing to sell jets to Germany given Bloch's history with them?
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Not aware of the issue between Bloch and Germany (I'll have to give it a quick read)

I suppose that if the German Govt' payed for the development of each aircraft type there shouldn't be a problem.

As I said I'll have to read about the Bloch, Germany stuff.

Regards filers
 

LostCosmonaut

Re: Bloch/Dassault and Germans:

During the occupation of France by Nazi Germany during World War II, France’s aviation industry was virtually disbanded,[4] other than the compulsory manufacturing, assembly and servicing of German designs. In October 1940, Bloch refused to collaborate with the Germans occupiers at Bordeaux-Aéronautique and was imprisoned by the Vichy government. In 1944 the Nazis deported Bloch to the Buchenwald concentration camp,[1] as punishment for refusing to co-operate with their regime. He was tortured and beaten and held in solitary confinement. In the meantime his wife was interned near Paris. Bloch was detained at Buchenwald until it was liberated on 11 April 1945. By the time of his return to Paris he was crippled to such an extent that he could barely walk. He was advised by his doctors to settle his affairs, as they did not expect him to recover his health. [1]

After the war he changed his name from Bloch to Bloch-Dassault and in 1949 to Dassault. Dassault was the nom de guerre used by his brother, General Darius Paul Bloch, when he served in the French resistance,[1] and is derived from char d'assaut, French for "battle tank".[note 1] In 1971 Dassault acquired Breguet, forming Avions Marcel Dassault-Breguet Aviation (AMD-BA).
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