Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes V (Do Not Post Current Politics Here)

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"Kindly burn this letter," or, "Being a Democrat is suffering."

The elections of 1888 and 1892 in a world where Blaine defeated Cleveland.

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I wonder how much longer it would have taken the Democrats to finally win back the White House. A Blaine presidency has always been an interesting topic for me...
"Kindly burn this letter," or, "Being a Democrat is suffering."

The elections of 1888 and 1892 in a world where Blaine defeated Cleveland.

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I wonder how much longer it would have taken the Democrats to finally win back the White House. A Blaine presidency has always been an interesting topic for me...

I'm not sure they ever would, after that long out of power. Polk surviving gives the populists (Alliance here) all that strength in the south Weaver couldn't have. The rough idea for the future of this list has the Alliance pretty much supplant them (their nominee in 96 is likely Representative Jerome C. Kearby) but has a National Democratic / Liberal Party survive in northern urban strongholds and capture the White House at least once on an anti-imperialist civil-libertarian small government platform.

As for Blaine, the magnetic man probably charms those around him enough to get an upper middling ranking. His strengthening of ties with Latin America and purchasing of Cuba are a legacy that will stick with the Republican Party for some time, though he can't really take credit for the Democrats imploding after Grover the Good loses.
 
I’ve been compiling this list and re-updating it (every 50 pages or so) for quite a while now, and was originally going to post it at the start of the next wikibox thread as a sort of “best of” review thingy. But under this site’s new format/style/set-up (mini-rant: it’s hard on my eyes, I can’t tell where boxes/posts end and others begin; it’s clunky, hard to navigate through and even harder to look at; a huge mess all around), it’s now impossible for me to finish this, or for me to ever do such a thing like this ever again, for that matter. So, yeah, this is what I had so far:



A Look Back at AH Wikibox Thread V

(the Top 15 posts, ranked by number of likes (as of page 401))​

#15: Blair’s 8/6/2018 post on page 168: Presidential Elections in Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-168#post-17415054 – 59 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Erinthecute’s 12/29/2018 on page 222: Prussia https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-222#post-18137383 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Georgepatton’s 4/3/2019 on page 267: Addison Quick https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-267#post-18721147 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Excelsior’s 8/1/2019 on page 329: Pandora’s Box https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-329#post-19272166 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Roberto El Rey’s 1/6/2019 on page 226: Ignateff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff 2015 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-226#post-18190441 – 60 likes

#13 (tie): Erinthecute’s 12/17/2018 post on page 218: 2018 German General Election https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-218#post-18069127 – 61 likes

#13 (tie): Kanan’s 10/31/2018 post on page 202: Sodor Uprisings of 1937 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-202#post-17820841 – 61 likes

#12: King_of_the_Uzbeks’s 2/19/2019 post on page 249: Clark Joseph Kent https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-248#post-18489080 – 62 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Oryxslayer’s 5/2/2018 post on page 127: Saint Humphrey of Minnesota (Patron Saint of This Website) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-127#post-16952474 – 63 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Kanan’s 12/22/2017 post on page 38: Brooklyn Mayoral Election, 2012 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-38#post-16237678 – 63 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Erinthecute’s 4/10/2019 post on page 270: Texas American Union membership referendum https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-270#post-18753919 – 63 likes

#10 (tie): JoeyB2198’s 10/24/2018 post on page 200: Alternate 2005, 2008 and 2016 Elections https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-200#post-17786406 – 67 likes

#10 (tie): gap80’s 3/18/2019 post on page 262: Biden, And His Son Barack: Part 1 (of 3) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-261#post-18636928 – 67 likes

#9 (tie): Kanan’s 1/14/2018 post on page 53: Provinces of New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-53#post-16354747 – 68 likes

#9 (tie): Turquoise Blue’s 3/30/2019 post on page 265: List of Confederate Prime Ministers https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-265#post-18701028 – 68 likes

#8 (tie): True Grit’s 1/7/2019 post on page 227: Ignatieff (Legendary Creature) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-227#post-18196601 – 69 likes

#8 (tie): DrBobBobson’s 5/26/2018 post on page 136: Richard Nixon the Music Producer https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-136#post-17060047 – 69 likes

#7: machinekng’s 3/3/2019 post on page 253: “Colossus Must Fall // Act ? – Preview” The US State of Sicily https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-253#post-18558801 – 70 likes

#6: gap80’s 5/3/2018 post on page 128: Just Some Futurama Write-Ups https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-128#post-16956923 – 71 likes

#5: et37’s 8/22/2018 post on page 175: Robbie Rotten https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-175#post-17491629 – 76 likes

#4: JoeyB2198’s 10/11/2018 post on page 195: US House of Representatives elections, 2018 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-195#post-17727489 – 89 likes

#3: LeinadB93’s 11/11/2017 post on page 2: 2015 British Imperial Election (Hail, Britannia) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-2#post-15996288 – 92 likes

#2: Kanan’s 11/24/2017 post on page 10: 2016 New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-10#post-16079280 – 139 likes

And Post #1: Kanan’s 12/5/2017 post on page 23: New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-23#post-16144326 – 168 likes



I don’t know if any posts beyond page 401 got (or will get) more than 59 likes, because now I can’t see the number of likes each post gets. It’s the end of an era; and it was good while it lasted. Ah well, that’s life I guess…

Thanks for the support, Marse Lee! :)

EDIT: as of 10:10 P.M. EST, 1/8/2020, 39 people have liked this
(I may just do this at the end of all my posts from now on)
 
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I’ve been compiling this list and re-updating it (every 50 pages or so) for quite a while now, and was originally going to post it at the start of the next wikibox thread as a sort of “best of” review thingy. But under this site’s new format/style/set-up (mini-rant: it’s hard on my eyes, I can’t tell where boxes/posts end and others begin; it’s clunky, hard to navigate through and even harder to look at; a huge mess all around), it’s now impossible for me to finish this, or for me to ever do such a thing like this ever again, for that matter. So, yeah, this is what I had so far:



A Look Back at AH Wikibox Thread V

(the Top 15 posts, ranked by number of likes (as of page 401))​

#15: Blair’s 8/6/2018 post on page 168: Presidential Elections in Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-168#post-17415054 – 59 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Erinthecute’s 12/29/2018 on page 222: Prussia https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-222#post-18137383 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Georgepatton’s 4/3/2019 on page 267: Addison Quick https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-267#post-18721147 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Excelsior’s 8/1/2019 on page 329: Pandora’s Box https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-329#post-19272166 – 60 likes

#14 (four-way tie): Roberto El Rey’s 1/6/2019 on page 226: Ignateff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff v Ignatieff 2015 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-226#post-18190441 – 60 likes

#13 (tie): Erinthecute’s 12/17/2018 post on page 218: 2018 German General Election https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-218#post-18069127 – 61 likes

#13 (tie): Kanan’s 10/31/2018 post on page 202: Sodor Uprisings of 1937 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-202#post-17820841 – 61 likes

#12: King_of_the_Uzbeks’s 2/19/2019 post on page 249: Clark Joseph Kent https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-248#post-18489080 – 62 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Oryxslayer’s 5/2/2018 post on page 127: Saint Humphrey of Minnesota (Patron Saint of This Website) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-127#post-16952474 – 63 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Kanan’s 12/22/2017 post on page 38: Brooklyn Mayoral Election, 2012 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-38#post-16237678 – 63 likes

#11 (three-way tie): Erinthecute’s 4/10/2019 post on page 270: Texas American Union membership referendum https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-270#post-18753919 – 63 likes

#10 (tie): JoeyB2198’s 10/24/2018 post on page 200: Alternate 2005, 2008 and 2016 Elections https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-200#post-17786406 – 67 likes

#10 (tie): gap80’s 3/18/2019 post on page 262: Biden, And His Son Barack: Part 1 (of 3) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-261#post-18636928 – 67 likes

#9 (tie): Kanan’s 1/14/2018 post on page 53: Provinces of New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-53#post-16354747 – 68 likes

#9 (tie): Turquoise Blue’s 3/30/2019 post on page 265: List of Confederate Prime Ministers https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-265#post-18701028 – 68 likes

#8 (tie): True Grit’s 1/7/2019 post on page 227: Ignatieff (Legendary Creature) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-227#post-18196601 – 69 likes

#8 (tie): DrBobBobson’s 5/26/2018 post on page 136: Richard Nixon the Music Producer https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-136#post-17060047 – 69 likes

#7: machinekng’s 3/3/2019 post on page 253: “Colossus Must Fall // Act ? – Preview” The US State of Sicily https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-253#post-18558801 – 70 likes

#6: gap80’s 5/3/2018 post on page 128: Just Some Futurama Write-Ups https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-128#post-16956923 – 71 likes

#5: et37’s 8/22/2018 post on page 175: Robbie Rotten https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-175#post-17491629 – 76 likes

#4: JoeyB2198’s 10/11/2018 post on page 195: US House of Representatives elections, 2018 https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-195#post-17727489 – 89 likes

#3: LeinadB93’s 11/11/2017 post on page 2: 2015 British Imperial Election (Hail, Britannia) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-2#post-15996288 – 92 likes

#2: Kanan’s 11/24/2017 post on page 10: 2016 New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-10#post-16079280 – 139 likes

And Post #1: Kanan’s 12/5/2017 post on page 23: New England https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-wikipedia-infoboxes-v-do-not-post-current-politics-here.430177/page-23#post-16144326 – 168 likes



I don’t know if any posts beyond page 401 got (or will get) more than 59 likes, because now I can’t see the number of likes each post gets. It’s the end of an era; and it was good while it lasted. Ah well, that’s life I guess…

Thanks for the support, Marse Lee! :)

EDIT: so far, 12 people have liked this
(I may just do this at the end of all my posts from now on)
oh well uhhhhhh
yeah i miss the likes being recorded
i thought my fanfic wikibox of barry goldwater jr and bill clinton getting married would be able to make it on the list @gap80 makes when a new wikibox thread opens

bill clinton-goldwater weeps gay tears today

my bad y’all
(i’m on mobile i know i quoted the post and am ashamed)
 

I always love your infoboxes, they almost are full timelines in themselves! And they are so convincingly German!
Some questions:

What territory does this Germany encompass? EDIT: To be more exact, does it have access to the Mediterranean coast in somewhere like Istria or Krain?

What exactly happened in the 1960s, during Ulbricht's tern or shortly before it, that made limiting civil rights seem like a wise move? What limits were imposed? Did it have something to do with Yugoslavia

Also, isn't this Germany - at least its Second Republic - very polarised if OTL (open) Communists like Wilhelm Pieck and Ernst Thälmann on the one side and OTL (arch-)conservatives like Stauffenberg and Hans-Christoph Seebohm on the other side can hold some of the highest offices?

What happened during Bloody July and is it the reason why Stauffenberg was later tried? What was the outcome of Stauffenberg's trial?

Also, what was up with the Netherlands in the mid-50s? Did the red government(?) last/was the revolution successful?
 
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2018 Missouri State Legislature Elections

In 2018, Missouri held elections for both chambers of its General Assembly. In Missouri, despite being a swing state between the Nationals and the Unionists in statewide elections, the Nationals have not held power in either chamber of the Assembly in nearly 20 years. Since the 2000 elections, the Assembly has been controlled by a power-sharing agreement between the Unionists, the Parti La Louisiane, and the Social Democrats, known as "The Coalition". The strength of the Coalition has largely been attributed to the PLL winning voters that would otherwise vote for the Nationals, despite the Missouri PLL being the most liberal state PLL party in the nation. The Social Democrats also do very well in Missouri elections, winning in the heavily minority areas in St. Louis and near the SDP ancestral base in and around Kansas City where the Socialist Party (the SDP's predecessor) first emerged.

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Thank you so much for this! Who won Senate districts 29, 30, and 31, and House districts 57, 59, 60, and 61?
 
The War of the Saxon Succession (or the Three Weeks' War) was fought in September 1976. The war was triggered with the death of King Leopold of Saxony in the summer of 1976 without having produced any issue. His predecessor and elder brother, King Johann, had likewise died without producing any heirs. At that time, Saxony had not yet adopted primogeniture succession, with a bill having stalled out in the Saxon parliament shortly before Leopold's death. With the lack of a clear heir, there were three possible candidates for the Saxon throne:
  1. Prince Karl Emanuel of Saxony - he was the youngest son of King Wolfgang I of Hesse and Maria Alix of Saxony, and was also the nephew of Kings Johann and Leopold. His name was put forward to avoid a personal union between Hesse and Saxony with his oldest brother (Crown Prince Wolfgang of Hesse) and because he could produce legitimate heirs (his other brother, Ernst Christoph, Prince of Fulda, had married morganatically more than a decade earlier). His succession was supported by most of the Saxon parliament and other German powers.​
  2. Frīdrihs I, King of Livoania - he was the King of Livoania and the senior male-line member of the House of Wettin through his father, the late King Sigismund IV (1889-1945) of Livonia, who had been the uncle of Johann and Leopold. However, when Prince Maximilian of Saxony had accepted the Livonian throne in 1921, he disclaimed his rights to the Saxon throne and his son likewise had no interest.​
  3. Karl Pius von Sachsen - he was the great-great-grandson of King Ernst I of Saxony (1818 - 1893) and the next senior-most male line member of the House of Wettin after the exclusion of the Livonians. His family had settled in Austria, with his father having served as the Viceroy of the Kingdom of Dalmatia for Emperor Maximilian. Karl Pius was himself a fighter pilot in the Luftstreitkräfte. His claim was supported by the Hapsburg Empire.​
In late summer 1976, the Saxon parliament (without passing the primogeniture bill) invited Prince Karl Emanuel of Hesse to be the next King of Saxony on the condition that he renounce his claim to the Hessian throne, which he did. Austria was not pleased with this and Karl Pius's supporters in the parliament strongly protested. What followed were several weeks of riots and protests as Karl Emanuel was crowned the King of Saxony in a hasty ceremony. Counter-protestors attacked and burned the Hapsburg embassy in Dresden (now likely considered to be a false-flag operation on the part of the Stasi), which was the actual and final trigger for the war. In Vienna, Emperor Maximilian announced that he was recognising Karl Pius von Sachsen as King Karl Pius of Saxony. When the Saxon parliament refused to allow Karl Pius into the country, Maximilian announced war against Saxony.

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The Hapsburg invasion of Saxony was quick and rapid, with Hapsburg panzers overruning Saxon border defences. Their advantage would be short-lived, because immediately following Karl Emanuel's election as king, Saxony had asked for Prussia for military assistance, and tens of thousands of Prussian soldiers were prepare to blunt the Hapsburg invasion. Within a week, Hapsburg forces had encircled Görlitz and were threatening Dresden. Losses on both sides were significant, especially with massed air support and modern anti-tank guided missiles that allowed light infantry to destroy even the most modern tank from miles away. These early losses slowed the Hapsburg offensive, allowing Prussia to reinforce its army. Within ten days, the Hapsburgs were quickly on the defensive as fresh Prussian and Hessian troops poured into Saxony. At the same time, a combined Prussian-Burgundian force invaded the Hapsburg Netherlands.

After more than three weeks of battle, the German Confederation successfully negotiated a cease-fire that ended the war with Allied forces having reached the outskirts of Prague and Amsterdam, respectively. Five months later, in early 1977, the Treaty of Genoa was signed, officially ending the war. There were to be no territorial concessions as part of the treaty, but a de-militarized zone was created along the Saxon-Bohemian border and the border of the Austrian Netherlands. Austria agreed to pay reparitions to Saxony for the war, and Karl Pius von Sachsen was to be handed over to Saxon authorities so that he could be put on trial for treason. He committed suicide before that could happen. Karl Emanuel was recognised as the rightful King of Saxony, and it was also agreed that his heir would be wed to a Hapsburg archduchess. His daughter and heir, Princess Ulrike Luise of Saxony, married Archduke Franz Ludwig of Austria in 2006, and they were divorced in 2013.

Despite the relative shortness of the war, the ripples of the War of the Saxon Succession can still be felt today more than 50 years later. In Prussia, its classical militarism had fallen out of favour following the end of the Great War in the 1940s, but would come back after 1975 as a response to perceived Austrian aggression. The militarist Fatherland Front was founded in 1979 and peacetime conscription was reinstated the following year, which has allowed King Joachim August V has become the Kingdom's de facto military dictator. Prussia would embark on a nuclear weapons program to develop their own deterrent force, and that goal would eventually be accomplished in the late 1990s. Saxony likewise has militarised significantly, instituting their own peacetime conscription in 1987. In Austria, the humiliation of the war lead to the collapse of the power of the Emperor and the rise of the Stasi's crypto-state in the last decades of the 20th century, which has coincided with a rise in Hapsburg military spending and aggression. Britain, despite not being an active participant, was profoundly impacted. Military doctrine and technology was forced to change in light of just how quickly the war moved. The expense and complexity of modern weapons of war meant that early losses could not be quickly replaced, and that any future peer vs. peer war would likely be over in a matter of weeks. The next-generation of British tanks (the Lancelot UCT) was heavily armoured, and they invested in explosive reactive armour and more recently, active defence systems. To counter waves of Hapsburg armour, the Royal Air Force adopted the Gloster Vulture ground-attack aircraft, and the Army's new Vickers Armstrongs Zulu attack helicopter was equipped with laser-guided Mjolnir missiles. More importantly, Britain saw the need to have forced forward-deployed onto the Continent for the first time since the Hundred Years' War. In 1982, the Canterbury Pact was signed between Britain, Prussia, Saxony, Burgundy and Hanover, and British forces would be permanately stationed on the Continent. The Canterbury Pact has expanded to include most of northern and western Europe. Similarly, the War of the Saxon Succession has lead to the creation of international consortiums such as RhineWings to reduce the individual costs of defence procurement.

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Black Friday Bombings / King-Emperor John II
Friedrich Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Prussia / Congress of Atomic Powers
Most-liked shouts
Parliament of the British Empire / Counsellors of State
Landgravine Guinevere of Pusan / Margrave Mordred II of Choseon
Eugen Flegel Graf von Weiser / Empress Anna Victoria
Maria Luisa of Provence
House of Tudor-Mercia: Constantine I, Constantine II, Catherine, Joanna, Michael
The Marquess of Lynedoch
Arthur, Prince of Wales / Rudolph, King of the English
Leaders of the Congress of Atomic Powers
Tetrarchs of the Kingdom of Palestine
Ludwig XV, Grand Duke of Hesse-Darmstadt / Friederike of Hesse Darmstadt
FV201 Lancelot UCT, MV25 Timberwolf IFV, CV1 Cerberus ICV / The Grenadier Guards and Royal Natal Carbineers
Aircraft carriers of the world
Grand Council of the Michigan Confederation
20th and 21st century monarchs of the British Empire
Prussian Fatherland Front
Steppengrave Charles Albert of Nebraska / Ambrose Bingham, Viscount Lorton
Cooper Thorpe MP / Business and Finance Functional Constituency
FV151 Hotspur APC / FV210 Conestoga APC
 
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The War of the Saxon Succession (or the Three Weeks' War) was fought in September 1976. The war was triggered with the death of King Leopold of Saxony in the summer of 1976 without having produced any issue. His predecessor and elder brother, King Johann, had likewise died without producing any heirs. At that time, Saxony had not yet adopted primogeniture succession, with a bill having stalled out in the Saxon parliament shortly before Leopold's death. With the lack of a clear heir, there were three possible candidates for the Saxon throne:
  1. Prince Karl Emanuel of Saxony - he was the youngest son of King Wolfgang I of Hesse and Maria Alix of Saxony, and was also the nephew of Kings Johann and Leopold. His name was put forward to avoid a personal union between Hesse and Saxony with his oldest brother (Crown Prince Wolfgang of Hesse) and because he could produce legitimate heirs (his other brother, Ernst Christoph, Prince of Fulda, had married morganatically more than a decade earlier). His succession was supported by most of the Saxon parliament and other German powers.​
  2. Frīdrihs I, King of Livoania - he was the King of Livoania and the senior male-line member of the House of Wettin through his father, the late King Sigismund IV (1889-1945) of Livonia, who had been the uncle of Johann and Leopold. However, when Prince Maximilian of Saxony had accepted the Livonian throne in 1921, he disclaimed his rights to the Saxon throne and his son likewise had no interest.​
  3. Karl Pius von Sachsen - he was the great-great-grandson of King Ernst I of Saxony (1818 - 1893) and the next senior-most male line member of the House of Wettin after the exclusion of the Livonians. His family had settled in Austria, with his father having served as the Viceroy of the Kingdom of Dalmatia for Emperor Maximilian. Karl Pius was himself a fighter pilot in the Luftstreitkräfte. His claim was supported by the Hapsburg Empire.​
In late summer 1976, the Saxon parliament (without passing the primogeniture bill) invited Prince Karl Emanuel of Hesse to be the next King of Saxony on the condition that he renounce his claim to the Hessian throne, which he did. Austria was not pleased with this and Karl Pius's supporters in the parliament strongly protested. What followed were several weeks of riots and protests as Karl Emanuel was crowned the King of Saxony in a hasty ceremony. Counter-protestors attacked and burned the Hapsburg embassy in Dresden (now likely considered to be a false-flag operation on the part of the Stasi), which was the actual and final trigger for the war. In Vienna, Emperor Maximilian announced that he was recognising Karl Pius von Sachsen as King Karl Pius of Saxony. When the Saxon parliament refused to allow Karl Pius into the country, Maximilian announced war against Saxony.

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The Hapsburg invasion of Saxony was quick and rapid, with Hapsburg panzers overruning Saxon border defences. Their advantage would be short-lived, because immediately following Karl Emanuel's election as king, Saxony had asked for Prussia for military assistance, and tens of thousands of Prussian soldiers were prepare to blunt the Hapsburg invasion. Within a week, Hapsburg forces had encircled Görlitz and were threatening Dresden. Losses on both sides were significant, especially with massed air support and modern anti-tank guided missiles that allowed light infantry to destroy even the most modern tank from miles away. These early losses slowed the Hapsburg offensive, allowing Prussia to reinforce its army. Within ten days, the Hapsburgs were quickly on the defensive as fresh Prussian and Hessian troops poured into Saxony. At the same time, a combined Prussian-Burgundian force invaded the Hapsburg Netherlands.

After more than three weeks of battle, the German Confederation successfully negotiated a cease-fire that ended the war with Allied forces having reached the outskirts of Prague and Amsterdam, respectively. Five months later, in early 1977, the Treaty of Genoa was signed, officially ending the war. There were to be no territorial concessions as part of the treaty, but a de-militarized zone was created along the Saxon-Bohemian border and the border of the Austrian Netherlands. Austria agreed to pay reparitions to Saxony for the war, and Karl Pius von Sachsen was to be handed over to Saxon authorities so that he could be put on trial for treason. He committed suicide before that could happen. Karl Emanuel was recognised as the rightful King of Saxony, and it was also agreed that his heir would be wed to a Hapsburg archduchess. His daughter and heir, Princess Ulrike Luise of Saxony, married Archduke Franz Ludwig of Austria in 2006, and they were divorced in 2013.

Despite the relative shortness of the war, the ripples of the War of the Saxon Succession can still be felt today more than 50 years later. In Prussia, its classical militarism had fallen out of favour following the end of the Great War in the 1940s, but would come back after 1975 as a response to perceived Austrian aggression. The militarist Fatherland Front was founded in 1979 and peacetime conscription was reinstated the following year, which has allowed King Joachim August V has become the Kingdom's de facto military dictator. Saxony likewise has militarised significantly, instituting their own peacetime conscription in 1987. In Austria, the humiliation of the war lead to the collapse of the power of the Emperor and the rise of the Stasi's crypto-state in the last decades of the 20th century, which has coincided with a rise in Hapsburg military spending and aggression. Britain, despite not being an active participant, was profoundly impacted. Military doctrine and technology was forced to change in light of just how quickly the war moved. The expense and complexity of modern weapons of war meant that early losses could not be quickly replaced, and that any future peer vs. peer war would likely be over in a matter of weeks. The next-generation of British tanks (the Lancelot UCT) was heavily armoured, and they invested in explosive reactive armour and more recently, active defence systems. To counter waves of Hapsburg armour, the Royal Air Force adopted the Gloster Vulture ground-attack aircraft, and the Army's new Vickers Armstrongs Zulu attack helicopter was equipped with laser-guided Mjolnir missiles. More importantly, Britain saw the need to have forced forward-deployed onto the Continent for the first time since the Hundred Years' War. In 1982, the Canterbury Pact was signed between Britain, Prussia, Saxony, Burgundy and Hanover, and British forces would be permanately stationed on the Continent. The Canterbury Pact has expanded to include most of northern and western Europe. Similarly, the War of the Saxon Succession has lead to the creation of international consortiums such as RhineWings to reduce the individual costs of defence procurement.

The Sun Never Set
Black Friday Bombings / King-Emperor John II
Friedrich Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Prussia / Congress of Atomic Powers
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Parliament of the British Empire / Counsellors of State
Landgravine Guinevere of Pusan / Margrave Mordred II of Choseon
Eugen Flegel Graf von Weiser / Empress Anna Victoria
Maria Luisa of Provence
House of Tudor-Mercia: Constantine I, Constantine II, Catherine, Joanna, Michael
The Marquess of Lynedoch
Arthur, Prince of Wales / Rudolph, King of the English
Leaders of the Congress of Atomic Powers
Tetrarchs of the Kingdom of Palestine
Ludwig XV, Grand Duke of Hesse-Darmstadt / Friederike of Hesse Darmstadt
FV201 Lancelot UCT, MV25 Timberwolf IFV, CV1 Cerberus ICV / The Grenadier Guards and Royal Natal Carbineers
Aircraft carriers of the world
Grand Council of the Michigan Confederation
20th and 21st century monarchs of the British Empire
Prussian Fatherland Front
Steppengrave Charles Albert of Nebraska / Ambrose Bingham, Viscount Lorton
Cooper Thorpe MP / Business and Finance Functional Constituency
FV151 Hotspur APC / FV210 Conestoga APC

Awesome

It's certainly weird to see a war of succession in 20th century europe lol
 

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In an effort to break a writers block I'm having at present, and to give me a creative outlet whilst I conduct a major overhaul and retcon of Hail, Britannia, I'm pleased to announce the first in a series of One Shots centred around various territorial changes. Part of this is to let me share some ideas I've had that wouldn't fit into the world of Hail, Britannia, while also exploring alternate politics, wikiboxes and map making. I'll probably aim for one of these every 2-3 months.

Thanks to @lord caedus for the inspiration from the amazing X-in-Canada series, and for graciously giving me permission to knick the concept :)

So here's the first of what I'm calling the X-in-Y series - Haiti-in-Canada:

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The 2019 Haiti general election was held on 8 July 2019 to elect, under the first-past-the-post system in single-member ridings [1], the 101 members of the National Assembly of Haiti. This was the 28th general election in the province since it joined Confederation in 1919 [2], and Haiti is Canada's only province where the majority of the population are French-speaking Afro-Caribbeans. Much like Quebec, Haiti is notable for its distinctive system of political parties compared to the rest of Canada.

The incumbent centre-left New Democratic Party-Haiti (NPD-Haiti; Nouveau Parti Démocratique-Haïti) under Premier Jean-Bertrand Aristide lost their majority and were returned to the opposition benches after fifteen years in power. The NPD-Haiti had been badly effected by the death of Premier René Préval in 2017, after which Aristide, formerly premier from 1991 to 1996 and again from 2004 to 2011, took over in an interim capacity. Aristide's confirmation as party leader in 2018 was bitterly rejected by his opponents on the party's left, and the legislative caucus proved unable to find a consensus on any of his policies. The opposition Parti Haïtien (PH), a broadly centrist party, led by Valérie Milfort, and the only pro-separatist group in Haitian politics, won the largest share of the popular vote, but fell short of a majority, whilst the centre-right conservative Popular National Party (PNP; Parti National Populaire), which is pro-Canada, led by Jude Célestin, made a gain of three seats in this election.

Under constitutional convention, the lieutenant governor, Sir Michel Martelly, invited Milfort to form a government and she was sworn in as the 17th, and first female, Premier of Haiti. Despite offers from Aristide to form an "anti-separatist" alliance, Célestin refused to endorse and NPD-Haiti minority government. Aristide would resign from the party leadership on the 21 July. Milfort has pledged to legislate for an independence referendum during the life of the 28th legislature, although the PNP has pledged to vote against any referendum. Following his election as leader of the NPD-Haiti in November, Jean-Max Bellerive announced that his party would not oppose a referendum, but would campaign against independence, setting the stage for a vote in the early 2020s on Haiti's status as a Canadian province.

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[1] - The 101 ridings are based on the 2006 election map found here. I made some adjustments to take into account urban populations and the actual distribution of the population in each department.
[2] - Acquired by Britain during the Seven Years' War, British Hispaniola was a Crown Colony until shortly after the First World War when the local creole elites and the Canadian government petitioned for it to become a province. Haiti was admitted to the Confederation as a province on 1 November 1919, with Charlemagne Péralte as its first premier.

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From my crossover timeline and inspired by the new Netflix series Messiah
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Al-Masih (born Payam Golshiri) is a controversial spiritual leader. Al-Masih was born Payam Golshiri in Qumar to a Jewish father and Christian mother, both of whom were killed during the American war against the United Islamic Republic. Along with his brother, Al-Masih was raised by his uncle, a scam artist and circus performer. He would study political science at the University of Tehran in Asran and do a semester abroad at Victor Chondria University in Massachusetts, where he would meet then-future terrorist and hacker Oscar Wallace, at the time an instructor. He would also be hospitalized for apparent mental health issues. After this time, he would seemingly have disappeared from public view, though there are photographs alleged to be the future Al-Masih tending to injured survivors of Khaled Al-Asad's atomic destruction of Agrabah that have circulated.

Al-Masih would only become prominence following the resurgence of the Islamic Caliphate Organization after President Michael Nolan withdrew US peacekeeping forces from Abbudin. The resurgent ICO forces were on the brink of capturing the capital of Damascus and had caused a major refugee crisis in Abbudin. As the ICO forces launched what was thought to be the final siege of the city, Al-Masih began preaching in the streets declaring 'history has ended' and that God would deliver Damascus from the ICO forces. Concurrently, a sandstorm hit the city. Despite lasting for over a full month, the sandstorm did minimal damage to the city itself, but buried the bulk of the ICO forces poised to capture the city, allowing Abbudin's government to crush remaining holdouts in the country and the last of ICO to be finished off in Urzikstan not long after. Al-Masih after this apparent miracle gained a following of 2,000 in Abbudin, who followed him to the border between Abbudin and Israel. Al-Masih demanded his followers be allowed to enter Israel as they were of Palestinian descent and it is holy to Muslims as well as Jews and Christians. His demands were rebuffed by the Israeli government of David Shepherd, sparking a major humanitarian crisis along the border. The Israeli government additionally detained Al-Masih, but he was released by a sympathetic guard and would make it to the Temple Mount. The IDF, attempting to arrest him, shot a Muslim child, but Al-Masih seemingly managed to heal his injury, though this event nevertheless sparked a Fourth Intifada in the West Bank.

Al-Masih would go on to appear in the small Texan town of Dilley, where he stood in the way of a tornado and seemingly prevented it from destroying the town's church. Al-Masih was arrested on charges of illegal immigration. However, he was surprisingly granted asylum in the US by the judge presiding over his case and was thus exempt from deportation. His role in apparently stopping a tornado along with his prior efforts caused a large following of diverse faiths to be drawn to Dilley and congregate around him. However, eventually he would lead his followers to Washington DC, where he amazed his followers by walking on the surface of the water of the National Mall. However, at this time, Al-Masih would become and remain controversial. Detractors held he was at best a huckster and at worst an actual threat. The CEA was investigating his past and ties to Oscar Wallace. Survivors of various recent tragedies such as the attacks by the Tethered and the Combine invasion of Earth questioned why Al-Masih had not shown up at those times. Many people saw the notion of a messiah returned to Earth as absurd in the wake of the Blip caused by Thanos and the destruction of half the world's population and often mockingly asked why Al-Masih did not reverse Thanos' actions if God was on his side. His original followers from Abbudin largely dissipated as he had seemingly abandoned him.

Despite this, Al-Masih retained a strong following among practitioners of multiple Abrahamic religions. He even was given the opportunity to meet with President David Jefferson Adams, who he urged to draw down the US military presence in Klopstokia in a bid to reduce tensions with Russia. This proved to be the last straw for some of the powerful people in Washington, who arranged to extradite Al-Masih to Israel and leak his questionable past to the press. Initially, these leaks successfully discredited Al-Masih. However, shortly after the plane carrying him crashed in Algeria, Al-Masih and an Israeli soldier recorded a video showing that he was still alive and featuring the soldier alleging that Al-Masih has resurrected him from death after the plane crashed. This renewed Al-Masih's following and as of 2022 his movement remains extant under the banner of the Global Brotherhood movement. He remains a controversial figure with plenty of critics accusing him of being a charlatan or a terrorist. However, his following still continues to grow and it seems unlikely to stop amidst the turmoil of the 2020's.

Al-Masih and most of his background are from the Netflix series Messiah.
Victor Chondria University is a fictional university from Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0.
Agrabah is from Aladdin and here is the capital of Qumar from The West Wing.
The United Islamic Republic is from the Jack Ryan novel Executive Orders.
Asran is our Iran stand-in from Area 88.
Khaled Al-Asad is from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and the atomic destruction of Agrabah in this universe was caused by him.
The Islamic Caliphate Organization is the ISIS stand-in from House of Cards.
Michael Nolan is 'The Boss' from Saint's Row who was president from 2019 to 2021 in this timeline.
Abbudin is from Tyrant and is our replacement for Syria.
Urzikstan is a Syria-esque country from the 2019 version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.
David Shepherd is a King David-inspired soldier/politician from the series Kings. Here the country he is from is just Israel.
The CEA is the CIA stand-in from The President's Analyst.
The Tethered are from the film Us.
The Combine are from Half-Life.
The Blip is the name for Thanos' snap at the end of Avengers: Infinity War. Avengers: Endgame has not happened as of yet when Al-Masih shows up.
David Jefferson Adams is the president from Shattered Union.
Klopstokia is a fictional Eastern European country from Million Dollar Legs.
 
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I always love your infoboxes, they almost are full timelines in themselves! And they are so convincingly German!
Some questions:

What territory does this Germany encompass? EDIT: To be more exact, does it have access to the Mediterranean coast in somewhere like Istria or Krain?

What exactly happened in the 1960s, during Ulbricht's tern or shortly before it, that made limiting civil rights seem like a wise move? What limits were imposed? Did it have something to do with Yugoslavia

Also, isn't this Germany - at least its Second Republic - very polarised if OTL (open) Communists like Wilhelm Pieck and Ernst Thälmann on the one side and OTL (arch-)conservatives like Stauffenberg and Hans-Christoph Seebohm on the other side can hold some of the highest offices?

What happened during Bloody July and is it the reason why Stauffenberg was later tried? What was the outcome of Stauffenberg's trial?

Also, what was up with the Netherlands in the mid-50s? Did the red government(?) last/was the revolution successful?
Thank you!!!

You can see a map of Germany in the 2018 election infobox. Compared to Weimar, it lacks all of Upper Silesia, southern parts of East Prussia, and the Saarland, but owns Austria, Eupen-Malmedy, and all of Schleswig. It does not have any Adriatic or Mediterranean coast, since Austria and Slovenia were divided along ethnic lines.

The next two points tie into one another: the Second Republic was indeed very polarised. After the 1933 revolution, the new constitution was essentially a compromise between communists and liberals. Though the communists came out on top in the following years, they broadly adhered to the liberal-socialist consensus. Part of the compromise was that the nationalist right-wing be allowed to retain a political presence in the form of the German National Party. Ulbricht and his wing of the KPD believed this state of affairs left the republic vulnerable to counterrevolution or a nationalist coup, and saw the development of a surveillance state and limitations on freedoms as necessary to save it. After the KPD's defeat in the 1953 and 1957 elections, the hardliners under Ulbricht came to power within the party, and returned to government in 1961.

His deeply unpopular premiership saw the KPD lose the presidency in 1964, and his plan ultimately failed when the KPD lost the 1965 election and the DNP under von Stauffenberg formed government. They did so with the controversial support of the VVP, who saw von Stauffenberg as the lesser of two evils compared to Ulbricht.

Bloody July was a series of violent crackdowns by military and police against strikers and anti-government protestors, and it played a major role in von Stauffenberg's trial. He was found guilty of a number of charges and sentenced to life imprisonment.

I haven't fleshed out the Netherlands much yet, but there was a revolution which resulted in a civil war turned proxy war between communist and anti-communist nations. The revolution eventually failed, but it was not a quick or easy process.
 
2019 Hawaiian General Election

Beginning in 1902, the Kingdom of Hawaii existed as a protectorate of the Japanese Empire until the kingdom was released by in the Japanese Empire in 1975. Since becoming fully independent the Kingdom of Hawaii has become the most successful of all of Japan's former colonies, it being one of the richest countries per capita in the region. Hawaii is a part of the West Pacific Union like all of the former Japanese colonies and has benefited the most of the arrangement. Hawaii has one of the most successful tourism sectors in the world and is a top choice for Japanese and American vacationers. Hawaii currently has a population of 1,120,528 with 42.7% being Asian, 17.1% being White, 15.8% being Native Hawaiian, 22.3% being 2 or more races, and 2.1% being another race.

In 2019, the incumbent government comprised of the center-left, Alliance for Hawaii and the centrist Reform Party lost their majority in the Hawaiian House of Representatives. The Alliance and their leader Prime Minister Mazie Hirono remained the largest party in the House of Representatives for the 4th consecutive time since the party and Hirono won the 2010 Elections. However the Alliance and the Reform Party led by Ed Case lost enough seats to be unable to form a government between the two. Reform, a party disproportionately popular with the white citizens of the islands, would lose both of their electorate seats with Case himself losing his seat of Northeast Shore. Reform is now completely reliant on list seats and only barely cleared the entrance threshold of 5% to get any seats.

The center-right Democratic Party led by Duke Aiona would gain 5 seats, but the disappointing showing would cause Aiona to announce he would be stepping down as leader of the party shortly after the election. United!, a left-wing party that strongly targets native Hawaiians, and their leader Kaniela Ing would gain 5 seats as well, their best ever showing since their creation in 1998. The Hawaiian Independence Party, a populist party that combines conservative social positions with center-left economic positions, led by Mike Gabbard would also gain seats in the House of Representatives. Both United and the Independence Party support turning Hawaii into a federation of all the populated islands rather than the current unitary system. United and the Independence Party also are both dissatisfied with the West Pacific Union, but only the Independence Party calls for Hawaii to completely leave while United only supports a limited increase to Hawaii's autonomy. All the other parties more or less support Hawaii's current position in the Union.

After the election, Alliance, not being able to reform their coalition with Reform, would join with United to form a broad left government with Hirono remaining as Prime Minister. This is the first time that United as been a member of the government.

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If this counts as current politics just let me know and I'll move it to the current politics thread. I avoided incumbent OTL leaders but I'm still unsure if any of the people I used are too currently relevant for this thread

From Desire the Right:

The European Common Council is a collective body comprised of the heads of state or government of the member-states of the European Common Federation, as well as the President of the European Common Council and the President of the ECF. It is largely responsible for the ECF's overall direction and priorities.

Credit for the Slovak flag I used goes to u/FoulCoke on Reddit!

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If this counts as current politics just let me know and I'll move it to the current politics thread. I avoided incumbent OTL leaders but I'm still unsure if any of the people I used are too currently relevant for this thread

From Desire the Right:

The European Common Council is a collective body comprised of the heads of state or government of the member-states of the European Common Federation, as well as the President of the European Common Council and the President of the ECF. It is largely responsible for the ECF's overall direction and priorities.

SNip....

Curious to know what template did you use for the table? I'm currently seeking ideas on constructing an alternate history of somewhere else, although I am unsure which...

Edit: I should look into your thread and check it out :p Also well done! I'm impressed with the way you've set out.
 
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