Sino Indian war with no partition?

HistoricalArthropod

Banned
If India became independent as one piece and remained stable and united, would a war with China still happen? If so, who would win? Would it be larger than otl?

And what effect would this have on the region and the world at large? Here are some things that may or may not happen.

1. More global support for the Tibetan cause from Muslims

2. More tight cooperation between Uyghurs and Tibetans

3. Stronger non aligned movement, if India wins

What do you think?
 

walmart

HistoricalArthropod said:
If so, who would win? Would it be larger than otl?
Click to expand...
The terrain keeps any conflict from going beyond small scale clashes and favors the otl Chinese gains.

HistoricalArthropod said:
1. More global support for the Tibetan cause from Muslims
Click to expand...
Why?
HistoricalArthropod said:
2. More tight cooperation between Uyghurs and Tibetans
Click to expand...
Why? also Tibetans have a negative view of Muslims given the actions of Muslim KMT generals and large Hui community that settled in Tibet with the PRC.
 

HistoricalArthropod

Banned
Noscoper said:
Why? also Tibetans have a negative view of Muslims given the actions of Muslim KMT generals and large Hui community that settled in Tibet with the PRC.
Click to expand...
That's just against hui. Doesnt China make a strong distinction between Hui and Uighurs? In fact, the Hui and Uighurs have had many conflicts between them. Uighurs and Tibetans may cooperate.

Also, there being no Pakistan would have huge effects in the region.
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

Well an India that isn't dealing with the chaos of the partition and isn't fighting Pakistan over Kashmir is an India with the power to do many things, including take measures to ensure it inherits the privileges Britain had enjoyed with Tibet. A couple Indian brigades north of the Himalayas could deter China from trying anything. If the Indian government decides that this will be a nation building project it could probably put in the road work to be able to support a far more substantial force, maybe even matching OTL's Chinese force at Chamdo.

However, (at least by the time of independence) the INC was pretty anti-imperialistic, and would probably never dream of doing such.
 

Sardar

SealTheRealDeal said:
Well an India that isn't dealing with the chaos of the partition and isn't fighting Pakistan over Kashmir is an India with the power to do many things, including take measures to ensure it inherits the privileges Britain had enjoyed with Tibet. A couple Indian brigades north of the Himalayas could deter China from trying anything. If the Indian government decides that this will be a nation building project it could probably put in the road work to be able to support a far more substantial force, maybe even matching OTL's Chinese force at Chamdo.

However, (at least by the time of independence) the INC was pretty anti-imperialistic, and would probably never dream of doing such.
Click to expand...
Yes, but it ATL India's leaders would also probably recognize that Tibet was probably the most strategically important regions in the world, being the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Having Tibet as a puppet state, or even an ally, would be a top priority for India without the wars with Pakistan.
 

walmart

SealTheRealDeal said:
A couple Indian brigades north of the Himalayas could deter China from trying anything.
Click to expand...
China did fight the United States over Korea. given the Himalayas would prevent a large amount of Indian troops or supplies, China is going to overrun Tibet regardless.
 
SsgtC

SsgtC

Banned
SealTheRealDeal said:
with well over a million men. Logistic routes into Tibet from China were also pretty awful at that time, IIRC the Chinese invasion force was rather modest by Chinese standards.
Click to expand...
Modest by Chinese standards is most likely going to be a larger force than anyone else could get into the region
 
Frank Hart

Frank Hart

HistoricalArthropod said:
That's just against Hui. Doesnt China make a strong distinction between Hui and Uighurs? In fact, the Hui and Uighurs have had many conflicts between them. Uighurs and Tibetans may cooperate.
Click to expand...

Hui are essentially Chinese Muslims with a separate cultural identity. Chinese and Hui aren't that different, and in fact both don't like Uyghurs.
 

HistoricalArthropod

Banned
Frank Hart said:
Hui are essentially Chinese Muslims with a separate cultural identity. Chinese and Hui aren't that different, and in fact both don't like Uyghurs.
Click to expand...
Exactly that's my point. So could we see closer cooperation between Tibetans and Uyghurs, and more Indian support for Uyghurstan?
 

jsb

aaronupright said:
ATL United India will have its hands full with the Afghan frontier. And the very near USSR.
Click to expand...
This is the biggest question IMO? Would a united India be sufficiently anti Soviet as to ensure US/UK support, such as selling them V bombers and the bombs to go with them?
 
SsgtC

SsgtC

Banned
jsb said:
This is the biggest question IMO? Would a united India be sufficiently anti Soviet as to ensure US/UK support, such as selling them V bombers and the bombs to go with them?
Click to expand...
Doubtful. Both the US and UK, despite being huge arms dealers, were very reluctant to sell nuclear capable strategic bombers to anyone. IIRC, the US offered to sell B-47s to Canada and Australia and only sold F-111s (kinda straddling the line between strategic and tactical bomber) to Australia and the UK. India would have to have a very close relationship with the US and UK for either to even consider it. It's not impossible, but I just don't see even a United India being willing to go that far into the Western Camp. Maybe 30% chance of it happening?
 

Father Maryland

HistoricalArthropod said:
Could a whole India lead the non aligned movement better?
Click to expand...

A whole India isn't necessarily a more powerful or successful India. It's also quite possible that the lack of Partition leads to increased domestic instability and infighting with various insurgencies. A combined India/Pakistan may end up being poorer, less stable, and weaker then what either country ended up being in OTL.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top
Top