Moonlight in a Jar: An Al-Andalus Timeline

Still sufi goes far away even all 4, even the damned wahabi, yes Nazareans means Christian as was mentioned in arabic
And yet, Islam flexed when it spread outside the Middle East, and to this day it syncretizes to some extent along its edges, particularly in Africa. We're dealing with a timeline in which Islam is spreading rapidly in an era before instant long-distance communication and rapid world travel exist. In places like the Gharb al-Aqsa, the Sudan and Southeast Asia, Islam is bound to operate with some autonomy; the Caliph simply cannot be everywhere and know everything, and the locals will find ways to marry it with things they find familiar. This is no different than how elements of traditional Mesoamerican religions can pop up in Mexican Christianity to this day.

The Andalusis already bend traditional Islam by having a separate Caliph and turning a blind eye to drinking booze, saying nothing of the intense study of authentic hadith that's taken place over the past couple of centuries.
 
I see this a lot in alt-history. Dunno if its Islam specifically or just any religion. People point to a religious precept and say, "see its banned here, it would never happen", ignoring that real history is full of people bending and stretching religion every which way to suit what they want to do. I mean heck (gosh! darn, golly!) the Bishop of Quebec once declared beaver a fish so it could be eaten on Lent. Or intoxication being forbidden in Islam but anecdotally every Saudi I've met drinks like a beaver.
Not to derail too much, but this always happens when the question of a Muslim Russia pops up. "Lol, no booze = no Islam in Russia" appears before any reasonable objection, even though it would be a relatively trivial change. Rather annoying when people treat religions as if they're computer code that the followers cannot disobey.
 
This is an interesting development. A trade-based cold war between Al-Andalus and China. Hmm...I wonder how much time it'll take for it to lead to an actual war.
 
This is an interesting development. A trade-based cold war between Al-Andalus and China. Hmm...I wonder how much time it'll take for it to lead to an actual war.
A full-scale war is unlikely right now because China has only a vague idea where this Al-Andalus place even is. The Andalusis do know where China is, but the cost of equipping an invasion fleet would be immense, and declaring war on China with their current level of size and technology is sort of like trying to slay a dragon with a knitting needle.

So far Al-Andalus has stayed a step ahead of Christendom because they have had an edge in wealth in technical sophistication, such as at the Battle of the Ijuez, where tanins and fireballs turned the tide against armoured knights and conventional wooden siege engines, or in the Santiago campaign, where the edge was their ability to just sail out into the ocean and avoid shore patrols. These advantages are moot against China. Indeed, saying nothing of China's immense size and economic edges, China is that rare enemy which is more technologically sophisticated than the Andalusians. Chinese junks are at least the equal of Andalusian saqin and qurqur-type ships, and China has the ability to build them at larger scales than Andalusi merchantmen can. China has access to a broader range of blackpowder weapons and a more sophisticated selection of crossbows. And while the Wu are picking China up off the floor to an extent, it's not a matter of if they can come back strong, but how long it will take.

Al-Andalus, in other words, is an underdog when it tries to play in China's sphere, and its initial forays are meeting with success largely because the Wu are still in the process of rebuilding the old Song tributary network and shoring up an economy that struggled during the neo-Khitan invasion. What works in their favour somewhat is that the Wu do not have a mindset of rapid expansionism or conquest, and they don't see much of value beyond Nusantara and their trade with Hindustan. China's unlikely to fund a fleet to sail to the New World because a) as far as they know, there's nothing there, and b) they'd have to get there across the Pacific, with no real trading partners along the way to make the journey worthwhile. This only makes playing in their yard more perilous, however: Their attention is fully on domestic concerns and ensuring that the kinglets around them show them the proper respect.

Basically, in the tensions between the Hawk and the Dragon, the Dragon is fully capable of eating the Hawk in one bite, but it's also unlikely to come out of its lair and fly around the world to do so. It may, however, take a bite out of the Hawk should it come in and perch on the Dragon's head.
 
With no mongols, what’s Baghdad up to these days? Just wondering....

Per the update, also, how connected were all the islands (of all of southwest Asia) pre western(otl European this TL Andalusi) contact and shipping?
 
The migrating Banu Hilal disrupted states throughout the Nile delta,

I think you mean the Nile valley?

Ghanimid empirate

Empire or Emirate, pick one. :)

It is hard to invade uphill. There are a lot of hills in Ethiopia.

Of course, there are several centuries (at least) until this world reaches it's modern era and with it, hopefully, some recognition that just conquering and assimilating your neighboring states is a Bad Thing. Ethiopia OTL nearly was conquered by Adal (aided by the Ottomans) in the early 16th century: it's a bit early for them to to rest on their laurels mountains. (Not to say you're saying that.:coldsweat: )

BTW, that's a good looking map of East Africa. Your maps usually have a nice, clean look to them and this one is particularly fine.

East Africa is doing well overall it seems. But what's the situation in the smoking rubble of Nubia? Any chance of recovery over the upcoming centuries?

Perhaps whoever is running Egypt expands into the power vacuum?

Rather annoying when people treat religions as if they're computer code that the followers cannot disobey.

Well, the religious hardliner who does indeed treat the bible as computer code, or magic spells you have to say just right to get into heaven, [1] is hardly a rare type in Christianity. More literally, books with titles like "The Bible Code" sell pretty well.

(The fact that their "correct" reading of said text is as subjective as anyone else's is of course something to be ardently denied.)

[1] Close observance of the forms, but very little of the spirit.
 
Basically, in the tensions between the Hawk and the Dragon, the Dragon is fully capable of eating the Hawk in one bite, but it's also unlikely to come out of its lair and fly around the world to do so. It may, however, take a bite out of the Hawk should it come in and perch on the Dragon's head.

And if the Wu are pretty much like every Chinese dynasty of the last millennium OTL, they neither like nor trust merchants: as long as their vassals stay loyal, the Emperor is unlikely to be too exercised about who they trade with. Intervening in force to help out Chinese merchants being out-competed by Andalusian ones is downright atypical. (And Chinese traders may be Muslims themselves: I think Chinese Muslims played an important role in Chinese trade abroad during the Song?)
 
The average lifespan of a Chinese dynasty is 300 years, and that's without the social tensions which might accompany industrialization. The Hawk is nothing if not patient.

China also has no reason (yet) to identify Islam with disloyalty. As said, Chinese Muslims (which include Chinese converts and Mideastern immigrants) in the southeast played a prominent role in the economy and politics of some of the biggest cities in the world at the time. As for foreign powers, China would vastly prefer dealing with/getting tribute from several small fiefdoms over dealing with the trade terms set by one big polity-- so they'd actually prefer more states like Aceh and Brunei over the Janggala thalassocracy, even if the Janggala are Hindu. Similar dynamics were at play between the Ming and Majapahit-- the Ming establishing direct contact with the various port cities decreased the importance of ties with the imperial center in Java.
 
I think you mean the Nile valley?
I doooooo.

Empire or Emirate, pick one. :)
You can't make me choose, dad! I want pizza and ice cream!! Wah!!

Of course, there are several centuries (at least) until this world reaches it's modern era and with it, hopefully, some recognition that just conquering and assimilating your neighboring states is a Bad Thing. Ethiopia OTL nearly was conquered by Adal (aided by the Ottomans) in the early 16th century: it's a bit early for them to to rest on their laurels mountains. (Not to say you're saying that.:coldsweat: )

BTW, that's a good looking map of East Africa. Your maps usually have a nice, clean look to them and this one is particularly fine.
Aw, shucks. High praise from the Mapmaster.

I did a Youtube crash course a bit back in a bid to improve my mapmaking, and I try a couple of new tricks every time I go back to the mapmaking table.
 
ACT VIII Part X: Quwaniyyah, Jihad and Historical Atrocities
We are inheritors of a murdered land. We stand on foundations of bones set in soil drenched in blood. When Maya people speak out against the actions of our ancestors, all you need to do is open a history book to know that they speak the truth about our sins.

- Saleh ibn Latif al-Jatumali, "Understanding the Hidden History of Cawania," 1952


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Excerpt: 14: The Century That Changed Everything - Christian Saldmare, Dragon's Hill Press, AD 2002


It was a pure twist of fortune that Quwaniyyah - the future Cawania - drew the attention of Andalusian military adventurism rather than Anawak.

In truth, Anawak had advantages over Quwaniyyah as a place Andalusians would want to adventure for. Its people were more advanced, its geography better for farming and its cities more developed. And yet, it is this development that made it inaccessible to Andalusian conquerors: Unlike in Quwaniyyah, the complex political situation and rising of powers in Anawak resulted in the Muslims finding allies and converts easily. With parties like the Totonac and Otomi powers welcoming Andalusi, Sudani and Berber visitors and converting readily to Islam, there was no need to wage a jihad against them.

Quwaniyyah was a more divided polity. Muslim explorers arrived at a time when Maya society was fractured and in a period of terminal decline, with the city-state of Mani enjoying only a hegemony over the other Mayan cities rather than an actual empire - hegemony which rapidly declined as disease swept the peninsula. The states of the peninsula were smaller, weaker and more spread out. While one adventurer and a group of kishafa could make little impact in Anawak, it was easier in a depleted Quwaniyyah. Moreover, no Maya rulers were in a hurry to convert to Islam, possibly due to the importance of traditional beliefs in maintaining their legitimacy. While Andalusian explorers in Anawak found allies willing to embrace Islam for the sake of protection against plague and the Tepanecs, those in Quwaniyyah found chilly receptions and the occasional bloody conflict with the locals.

It was this division, coupled with the poor reception of Islam, which opened the door to Hasan the Majestic, an obscure figure variously lionized as a righteous man of faith and demonized as an avaricious mercenary leader. Whatever the true story is, Hasan gave the Hizamids their foothold in Quwaniyyah by overthrowing the ruling class of the important port city of Zama.

The War of Navarrese Succession left the threat of conflict with France looming over the Hizamids should future raids along the Way of Saint James go awry. Seeing little reason to incur the wrath of Christendom, hajib Abd ar-Rahman the Seafarer shifted his focus to the new Wilayah of Al-Quwaniyyah, deputizing the aging Hasan and sending over summer troops in an official capacity. It is these troops who provided the muscle for the Hizamid conquest of the peninsula. The conquest was justified simply as jihad against pagans: In the minds of the mujahidin, the Maya had heard the word of the Prophet and rejected it, and as such, war was fair game.

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The challenge in any occupation of Quwaniyyah is that, in terms of Eastern-style farming, the peninsula provides little. Quwaniyyah is overwhelmingly a rugged landscape of karst, with little surface water and thin topsoil. This situation is particularly severe in the north of the peninsula. Water mainly comes in the form of sinkholes called zonot - from the Mayan ts'onot.[1]

The Maya adapted to this harsh landscape through a range of techniques, from exploitation of some zonots (both for ritual and farming purposes) to canal and reservoir-building to particularly the use of slash-and-burn farming techniques. These were relatively unfamiliar to Andalusi and Berber arrivals, most of them accustomed to post-Roman irrigation and farming techniques. Many members of Hasan's entourage either died of starvation or returned to Mawana or Al-Andalus in the early years simply because they didn't know how to grow enough food to survive, and the depletion of the Maya population by disease and war left few people willing to help them. Still more were killed in periodic raids from other Maya city-states, many of whom viewed the Muslims as what they were: Invaders out to destroy them.

Over time, however, some native allies came to side with Hasan, forming an underclass of labourers practicing traditional Mayan farming techniques. These farmers brought mahiz[2] into regular consumption for the newcomers, who adopted a number of Maya dietary practices.

The difficult terrain made war all the more challenging, not only in terms of feeding an army, but in terms of defeating the Maya.

On paper, the Andalusians had prohibitive military advantages: Sail, steel and horses. Andalusian troops carried crossbows, rode powerful steeds and could ship men from abroad rapidly to attack Mayan ports without ever having to cross the distance between cities. It was for this reason that coastal Maya cities were the primary targets of jihad. The Maya, by contrast, mainly used flint-tipped or obsidian-edged weapons and equipped cotton-padded armour and wood or hide shields. Howewever, what they lacked in technical sophistication, they made up for in discipline and craftiness. The Maya relied on ambushes to catch surprised Muslim war parties, mainly seeking to take captives, some of whom would be sacrificed. Against horses, they took to setting stake-lined pit traps - tactics which neutralized the advantage of mounted kishafa by killing their horses.

The deciding factor, however was again disease. By 1400, smallpox and typhus had swept through the region, killing more than half the population of virtually every city in Quwaniyyah. Still more died from other diseases, leading to depopulation on a scale even more dramatic than that which took place in Anawak. Between disease, warfare and mistreatment by Muslim conquerors, it's estimated that 95% of the indigenous people of northern Quwaniyyah were killed, with the numbers somewhat less in the southern area.

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The first targets of the concerted Hizamid jihad in Quwaniyyah were key ports. By 1395, Hasan and his men had conquered the northeastern city of Ekab, leaving much of the city intact. But the real prize on the east coast was the southeastern city-state of Chactemal, which controlled an area of arable land more suited to Andalusian-style agriculture. Prior to the city's conquest, the Hizamid enclaves in Quwaniyyah depended on food imports from Mawana and a newly-established farming settlement on the southern coast of Al-Gattas.[3]

Chactemal proved to be a challenging settlement to crack, and an attack in 1398 saw Hasan and an army of kishafa repulsed by the Maya defenders. Hasan himself was wounded in the failed offensive and retired to the Kaledats. He was replaced as wali by his most trusted lieutenant, Muhammad ibn Yusuf al-Dani, who made another attempt on Chactemal in the summer of 1399. This attack never made it within sight of the city: Al-Dani made the foolish decision to march to Chactemal by land, and his volunteers bumbled into a series of Maya pit traps. Most of the attacking force was subsequently imprisoned and enslaved, and Al-Dani himself was shipped off to Chactemal and sacrificed.

The humiliating failure saw a brief lull in the Andalusian campaigns, and there was some talk of abandoning Quwaniyyah altogether. However, Abd ar-Rahman eventually entrusted Al-Dani's successor - Abu Bakr ibn Suleyman al-Gharnati, a reliable man who had fought in the War of the Navarrese Succession as an infantryman - with command of a force of mujahidin and a flotilla of ships, inviting him to avenge the defeat at Chactemal.

In truth, Abu Bakr's attack on Chactemal succeeded as much due to the toll of epidemic disease as due to tactics. Abu Bakr attacked by sea, landing four scout boats just before dawn and sending men to root out Mayan pit traps around the city. When the scouts returned, Abu Bakr sent his ships in and brought his mostly-Berber cavalry to bear with impunity, avoiding the Mayan defenses with aplomb and attacking the city in a short siege. The depleted Maya held the attackers off for about a month before the city fell.[4]

Chactemal - renamed Madinat al-Jatumal by Abu Bakr - proved to be a key base for the conquest of Quwaniyyah, controlling an area of wetter land along a river, where farming was possible. Labourers were imported and paid in Mayan silver to drain mangrove swamps along the coast, preparing the land for growing crops like mahiz and rice - and, more grimly, Mayan prisoners and survivors were enslaved and put to work doing the same. On the backs of the forced labour of these victims, Al-Jatumal would rapidly become one of the most important Andalusian cities in Quwaniyyah, second in importance to Zama.

As the campaign pressed on, Hizamid attention would primarily fall along the coast, where ships could easily attack. A turning point, however, came in 1407, when the Maya ruler (the Halach Uinik) of Chichen Itza became the first and most important local ruler to convert to Islam. While Chichen Itza was in decline at the time and no longer the most important city in the area, it remained a notable regional centre, and the ruling dynasty carried a great deal of prestige. His conversion, supported by the Hizamids, saw Muslim efforts in the peninsula gain an important ally in the hitherto-impenetrable inland areas of the peninsula.

It would take decades for mujahidin to complete the conquest of Quwaniyyah and the isthmian areas to its south. It remains an incredible point of controversy to this day: It is a stark example of Hizamid political opportunism, utilizing a war of conquest and mass murder as a tool to legitimize and strengthen the position of Abd ar-Rahman the Seafarer at a time when it would have been politically dangerous to raid Christian lands in Europe.[5] While Mawana was the first imperial project for the Hizamids, Quwaniyyah was the bloodiest and most complete - a terrifying evolution of Andalusian policy towards the Gharb al-Aqsa, where the mere ambition for trade was subsumed by the ambition of mercenary soldiers, the political whimsy of Muslim rulers and the overwhelming ethnoreligious chauvinism weaponized against the Maya and their culture. It is the best-documented incidence of the brutal toll of epidemic diseases being added to by brutal war and conquest, economic exploitation of the natives and the total disruption of a culture's way of life.[6]


[1] Cenotes.
[2] Maize.
[3] Cuba.
[4] Chactemal - or Chetumal - sits on the border between Belize and the Mexican state of Quintana Roo.
[5] Abd ar-Rahman, Hasan and their successors have basically the reputation of Cortes.
[6] I am always uncomfortable writing about this kind of subject matter here, but while the Andalusians are trading where they can, in the Yucatan things go differently for political reasons - and it spirals into a Cortes-like brutal conquest. Whitewashing the ugliest parts of colonial and alt-post-Columbian history would do them a disservice, but I also wanted to make it absolutely clear that the actions being depicted here are atrocities and should not be lionized.

Summary:
1393: Seeking an alternative to raiding Santiago and potentially annoying France again, Abd ar-Rahman the Seafarer shifts the annual summer jihad to Quwaniyyah.
1394: Andalusian colonists begin to settle the south coast of Al-Gattas.
1402: The Maya city-state of Chactemal falls to the third in a series of Andalusian attacks. Many of the surviving Maya are enslaved and put to work alongside new colonists draining mangrove swamps for farmland.
1407: The Halach Uinik of Chichen Itza becomes the first and most important Maya ruler to convert to Islam, giving the Andalusians of Quwaniyyah a key inroad into the peninsular interior.
 
I am always uncomfortable writing about this kind of subject matter here, but while the Andalusians are trading where they can, in the Yucatan things go differently for political reasons - and it spirals into a Cortes-like brutal conquest. Whitewashing the ugliest parts of colonial and alt-post-Columbian history would do them a disservice, but I also wanted to make it absolutely clear that the actions being depicted here are atrocities and should not be lionized.
Unlike OTL ones when spain glorify their conqueror?

Still...it was even far better OTL.

Wonder if they will goes south what we call otl colombia and venezuela too, that will be far easier the maya and Aztecs
 
With all the original kishafa leadership dead and replaced by a veteran of the European wars, Seville is indisputably in control-- but the sea lanes are long and vulnerable.

Regarding future oopsies on the part of the Andalusis... we've already seen what Cawania's borders look like. You don't get a state that extends from Campeche to Panama without cracking a few eggs. And that state's going to include Chichen, despite the conversion of the king (but whether they will get a peaceful integration like Tlaxcala or a genocidal betrayal like the Tarascans remains to be seen). The fall of the last Maya kingdom took place in 1697, so the assembling of Quwaniya is going to be a centuries-long grind of bit-by-bit conquests of every individual hill and vale. And while the Spanish did punish colonists OTL for being a little too enthusiastic about crimes, it didn't stop crime from being a net gain for its perpetrators anyways. And those motivations won't go away after the conversion of the locals-- common membership in the dar al-Islam hasn't prevented conflict (Darfur, Mali, or southeast Turkey) when political or economic motives (nationalism, land disputes, etc.) have encouraged it.

So what I'm trying to say is, since bad things aren't going to be particularly rare from here on out, it's perfectly fine (and indeed, far more interesting) to leave behind this "sorry for having to write about this" narration style. Even if one can wag a finger and say there shouldn't be lionization of bad things, there'll probably still be epic poems doing exactly that, or modern "it wasn't that bad/"it was worth it" treatises. It's natural that multiple opinons will develop on this issue, ranging from chest-beating pride to the quiet, grudging gratitude of the immigrant who's well aware of how the city he lives in was built but still enjoys his life there.

The founders of Quwaniya haven't been maladjusted freaks to a man-- al-Gharnati's conquest of Chetumal was ingenious, and it would be unnatural for Andalusis not to take a little pride in that... especially if at a future date their colonies split off and leave them as irrelevant to world affairs as OTL Spain :,^)
 
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Unlike OTL ones when spain glorify their conqueror?

Still...it was even far better OTL.

Wonder if they will goes south what we call otl colombia and venezuela too, that will be far easier the maya and Aztecs
I think there's a difference between the characters lionizing conquerors and the writer of the text lionizing their conqueror. The Andalusis no doubt see the likes of Al-Gharnati and Hasan the Majestic as heroes and the Maya as pagan barbarians who worship djinn and commit human sacrifice. That doesn't mean that I as the writer have to share that perspective, and the last thing I want is to be seen as doing so.

Basically I don't want to get eaten by a Californian ursine for writing about colonial atrocities and I may be over-correcting as a result.
 
So how do the more religious americans (bte what do call the americans well the andalusian parts they are not latins are they?) View the conquest as jihad is used and paganism but its brutality doesn't the quran or the hadith talk about how your meant to wage war.

Btw i once asked i a while ago hoe islam will affect america/adoption you said mayans would paint muhammad a person rowing a canoe and god as bird creature or sun I've forgotten is this still the case or is more orthodox style 'no this is how you worship islam no weird islamic paintings'.
 
Basically I don't want to get eaten by a Californian ursine for writing about colonial atrocities and I may be over-correcting as a result.
There Timeline are more outspoken about atrocities for and against muslim and other european and he don't give a damn, people overrated him, he have a real name btw? Still is all about the historical revisionism too.
 
Basically I don't want to get eaten by a Californian ursine for writing about colonial atrocities and I may be over-correcting as a result.

Well, this isn't Chat so you've got a lot more plausible deniability. Also, remember that Calbear gave us Anglo-American/Nazi War, so if that's the bar for atrocities then we're still well below it. And you could argue AANW isn't the upper limit, other dystopian TLs have gone much worse. The most chilling thing I ever read in a TL is probably For All Time's treatment of Egypt, where the Soviets nuke the Aswan Dam and a giant wave of water comes flooding down the Nile at 100+ mph. 98% of Egypt is killed and the Palestinians fill the void left behind.

There Timeline are more outspoken about atrocities for and against muslim and other european and he don't give a damn, people overrated him, he have a real name btw? Still is all about the historical revisionism too.

Agreed, with some reservations. A TL creator recently got banned, I think it was for having "mainstream Islam" be eradicated as a religion by a Mormon-theocracy America. In that case the unrealistically-successful (and just kinda... weird? Why go after 1b people like that?) nature of the deed implies wish-fulfillment lurking beneath. Having your atrocity be realistic is one way to avoid that. There's other ways too, like adjusting the tone of writing in a way that casts doubt on the heroism of the victors. The surest way is of course to just come out and say that you don't approve of bad things, and now that's been done I don't think it needs to be done again.
 
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Well, this isn't Chat so you've got a lot more plausible deniability. Also, remember that Calbear gave us Anglo-American/Nazi War, so if that's the bar for atrocities then we're still well below it. And you could argue AANW isn't the upper limit, other dystopian TLs have gone much worse. The most chilling thing I ever read in a TL is probably For All Time's treatment of Egypt, where the Soviets nuke the Aswan Dam and a giant wave of water comes flooding down the Nile at 100+ mph. 98% of Egypt is killed and the Palestinians fill the void left behind.



Agreed, with some reservations. A TL creator recently got banned, I think it was for having "mainstream Islam" be eradicated as a religion by a Mormon-theocracy America. In that case the unrealistically-successful (and just kinda... weird? Why go after 1b people like that?) nature of the deed implies wish-fulfillment lurking beneath. Having your atrocity be realistic is one way to avoid that. There's other ways too, like adjusting the tone of writing in a way that casts doubt on the heroism of the victors. The surest way is of course to just come out and say that you don't approve of bad things, and now that's been done I don't think it needs to be done again.

Horrible stuff happened in history all the time. Luckily I think Planet of Hats is more than respectful enough to write about plausible, realistic atrocities and not "the muslim civilians were all beheaded by big chadly Christians, oh yeah, with hairy forearms..."
 
Horrible stuff happened in history all the time. Luckily I think Planet of Hats is more than respectful enough to write about plausible, realistic atrocities and not "the muslim civilians were all beheaded by big chadly Christians, oh yeah, with hairy forearms..."
Hey now, the Lake Chad area is Muslim in this timeline.
 
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