Russia and Britain are enough of a dissuading force, this will change during the second War tho.
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Nice, lovely maps but the google translate style Japanese in the last one is really atrocious. “団結した 北部 州” for United Northern States in particular or “カナダの領土” for Dominion if Canada are, well, incomprehensible unless you also know English.
If there’s an actual Japanese person/someone with better Japanese here please chime in, but I’d recommend some of the following changes:
United Northern States -> 合衆北州
Dominion of Canada -> カナダ(英国ドミニオン)
California -> カリフォルニア (though ‘important bay’ is kind of funny)
League of Khans -> 汗連盟国 (汗国 apparently is Khanate)
British Australia -> オーストリア(英国ドミニオン)
Chinese Empire is pretty tough- normally it’d be the name of the dynasty + 国 (and in OTL WWII when there was no dynasty, the Japanese preferred 支那 ‘Shina’ as a name for China. After all, ‘Middle Kingdom’ was a poetic name rather than an ordinary, and there is a region in Japan called that anyway.)
Additionally, while it fits with this map game to anachronistically call Korea 韓国 back in those days I think 朝鮮 (Joseon) would have been more common.
Sorry, I do like the maps but I find the Japanese text distracting
Here's another map for the RDNA-verse! Perhaps the last one for the year, this piece focuses on the "Twin Republics" of the New World, which comprise the most powerful republican powers among the Free Nations. The DeviantArt version can be found here.
This is a partial remake of sorts of the Liberty's Triumph: RDNA-verse map from 2011, though this one focuses exclusively on Americans and Gran Patagonians. More than retcons or overall polishing, making the map also gave me a chance to really flesh out the in-universe biases on top of the lore (both in the map itself and text). Especially as it's made rather evident that, for all the talk of freedom and democracy, both powers aren't entirely as peachy as they're trying to present themselves.
Just to be sure, this is a work of fiction. This is not an ideological or political screed.
All that being said, embrace democracy or be eradicated. Enjoy!
Justice. Democracy. Solidarity. Liberty. Fraternity. Such are the inalienable principles shared by many republican Free Nations. Of these, the American Federation and Sovereign Federated Republic of Gran Patagonia stand out as among the most powerful, exemplifying these virtues in the face of both enemies and friends alike. Taking pride in their achievements, these prominent powers, informally dubbed the "Twin Republics" of the New World, see themselves rather than their royalist allies as the best hope for spreading liberty's triumph to all mankind.
Notions of republicanism and democracy are by no means new. From the agorae of Ancient Greece and the halls of the Roman Senate, to the canals of Venice and the lost cantons of fallen Switzerland, the thought of the people themselves seeking their own destiny is one almost as old as that of monarchy. But for all such precedents and the spread of republican ideas across the civilized globe in the 18th Century, a pivotal moment came when the so-called Thirteen Colonies rebelled against the British Crown. With the Revolutionary War and subsequent Declaration of Independence in 1775, the newborn American Federation defied the odds and sought to prove that a nation by, of and for the everyman could stand proudly to kings and emperors. With the stalwart rebels against Spain soon following, other such republics would emerge in both the New World and Old. Though each followed their own path through the tides of history, many in their own way sought to further better themselves, with greater liberties and democratic reforms pushed by the dawn of the 20th Century and beyond. Many of them also, in one way or another, follow the example of Franklinton and Buenos Aires.
More than their positions straddling North and South America, the so-called Twin Republics are also defined by the common bonds shared between Americans and Gran Patagonians. Trading, if illicit ties between the two "colonials" in the 18th Century gradually fostered a sense of solidarity and respect. Whether it's the "Republican Democracy" of the American Federation's "Founding Fathers" or the "Latin Republicanism" pioneered by the "Libertadores" of Gran Patagonia, that mutual understanding as equals only grew stronger with time. Be it among politicians or among the people themselves, each nation's desire to present themselves as beacons of true liberty compared to the royalists (known colloquially as the "Three Crowns"), would lead to the those diplomatic, economic and military links being bolstered even further. Not even the turmoil brought forth by the Terror, and the threat posed by the Collectivist Internationale, could break that friendship.
Granted, the two republican powers don't always get along. Be it cultural differences (including the use of English versus Spanish) or the manner in which each nation responds to threats within and without, it can seem as if their competition with one another can be as heated and spirited as their lingering rivalries with their royalist allies among the Three Crowns. Nonetheless, it would be folly to challenge either of them. In terms of prosperity, armed might, stability or patriotism, the endurance of democracy and the common man's dedication to freedom remain unbowed. This is not to ignore the other defiant glimmers of republicanism elsewhere. Even in the face of Collectivists at their gates, the United African States (forged from the remnants of isolated European colonies) and Sovereign State of Free China stand firm against the dark. To say nothing of the successful intervention in Venezuela by both American and Gran Patagonian forces, saving the locals from both its crumbling Reactionary overlords and Collectivist militias, while bringing back the benefits of a proper democracy.
That is not to say that there are no problems besetting them. Or that the extant of American paranoia and continuing suspicions of outside manipulations in Portuguese Brazil by Gran Patagonia, in spite of clear support for a proper republic by stalwart advocates, continue to remain a sour if unfounded criticism. Regardless, there remains a strong belief that such matters, especially when it comes to the Terror's legacy, can and have to be overcome. Thus, from the home front to the very edge of civilization, the Twin Republics continue to push forward, together holding on to the light of liberty. No matter the cost.
- "The World Almanac of Nations." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
For some trivia, the Venezuelan flag is based on that of the real life United States of Venezuela around 1905-1930.
The photographs used for the political leaders are also nods to both the general cultural aesthetic of the setting and some of real life history. Among others, the image used for Brazil's Regent-President Barbosa, though hearkening to the Cold War-era military dictatorship, is based on Ernesto Geisel, one of the figures who set the stage for Brazil's eventual transition back to democracy. Which in-universe, mirrors Barbosa lifting some of the excesses of the ruling Junta. Vice President Francoise Long Redford is based on Rose Lollita Long McFarland, the late daughter of the (in)famous Huey Long. This is meant to reflect the in-universe popullist dynamic of her party and family name, echoing the real Longs of Louisiana. While American Federation President Fritzgerald is based somewhat on US Senator Everett Dirksen.
For Gran Patagonia, there's a conscious effort not to go for the "usual" inspirations for the time period when it came to the images used. The President for instance is based on Francisco Manrique, who was in real life known for his more moderate views and opposition to Peron. While the Vice President is based somewhat on Jorge Alessandri of Chile.
The peculiar inclusion of Brazil in the map, despite being nominally a royalist nation in the setting is intentional. As while it's not explicitly admittedly, it's heavily implied that Gran Patagonia (and by some extent the American Federation) are manipulating the situation there to prop up both the military dictatorship (ostensibly to maintain order) and republican sentiment to eventually depose any lingering monarchist elements. In a sense mirroring various activities and covert operations in the New World during the Cold War.
The Sol de la Republica is the Sol de Mayo or Sun of May, the national emblem of both Argentina and Uruguay in real life.
This is a partial remake of sorts of the Liberty's Triumph: RDNA-verse map from 2011, though this one focuses exclusively on Americans and Gran Patagonians. More than retcons or overall polishing, making the map also gave me a chance to really flesh out the in-universe biases on top of the lore (both in the map itself and text). Especially as it's made rather evident that, for all the talk of freedom and democracy, both powers aren't entirely as peachy as they're trying to present themselves.
Just to be sure, this is a work of fiction. This is not an ideological or political screed.
All that being said, embrace democracy or be eradicated. Enjoy!
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The Twin Republics: General Introduction
Justice. Democracy. Solidarity. Liberty. Fraternity. Such are the inalienable principles shared by many republican Free Nations. Of these, the American Federation and Sovereign Federated Republic of Gran Patagonia stand out as among the most powerful, exemplifying these virtues in the face of both enemies and friends alike. Taking pride in their achievements, these prominent powers, informally dubbed the "Twin Republics" of the New World, see themselves rather than their royalist allies as the best hope for spreading liberty's triumph to all mankind.
Notions of republicanism and democracy are by no means new. From the agorae of Ancient Greece and the halls of the Roman Senate, to the canals of Venice and the lost cantons of fallen Switzerland, the thought of the people themselves seeking their own destiny is one almost as old as that of monarchy. But for all such precedents and the spread of republican ideas across the civilized globe in the 18th Century, a pivotal moment came when the so-called Thirteen Colonies rebelled against the British Crown. With the Revolutionary War and subsequent Declaration of Independence in 1775, the newborn American Federation defied the odds and sought to prove that a nation by, of and for the everyman could stand proudly to kings and emperors. With the stalwart rebels against Spain soon following, other such republics would emerge in both the New World and Old. Though each followed their own path through the tides of history, many in their own way sought to further better themselves, with greater liberties and democratic reforms pushed by the dawn of the 20th Century and beyond. Many of them also, in one way or another, follow the example of Franklinton and Buenos Aires.
More than their positions straddling North and South America, the so-called Twin Republics are also defined by the common bonds shared between Americans and Gran Patagonians. Trading, if illicit ties between the two "colonials" in the 18th Century gradually fostered a sense of solidarity and respect. Whether it's the "Republican Democracy" of the American Federation's "Founding Fathers" or the "Latin Republicanism" pioneered by the "Libertadores" of Gran Patagonia, that mutual understanding as equals only grew stronger with time. Be it among politicians or among the people themselves, each nation's desire to present themselves as beacons of true liberty compared to the royalists (known colloquially as the "Three Crowns"), would lead to the those diplomatic, economic and military links being bolstered even further. Not even the turmoil brought forth by the Terror, and the threat posed by the Collectivist Internationale, could break that friendship.
Granted, the two republican powers don't always get along. Be it cultural differences (including the use of English versus Spanish) or the manner in which each nation responds to threats within and without, it can seem as if their competition with one another can be as heated and spirited as their lingering rivalries with their royalist allies among the Three Crowns. Nonetheless, it would be folly to challenge either of them. In terms of prosperity, armed might, stability or patriotism, the endurance of democracy and the common man's dedication to freedom remain unbowed. This is not to ignore the other defiant glimmers of republicanism elsewhere. Even in the face of Collectivists at their gates, the United African States (forged from the remnants of isolated European colonies) and Sovereign State of Free China stand firm against the dark. To say nothing of the successful intervention in Venezuela by both American and Gran Patagonian forces, saving the locals from both its crumbling Reactionary overlords and Collectivist militias, while bringing back the benefits of a proper democracy.
That is not to say that there are no problems besetting them. Or that the extant of American paranoia and continuing suspicions of outside manipulations in Portuguese Brazil by Gran Patagonia, in spite of clear support for a proper republic by stalwart advocates, continue to remain a sour if unfounded criticism. Regardless, there remains a strong belief that such matters, especially when it comes to the Terror's legacy, can and have to be overcome. Thus, from the home front to the very edge of civilization, the Twin Republics continue to push forward, together holding on to the light of liberty. No matter the cost.
- "The World Almanac of Nations." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
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For some trivia, the Venezuelan flag is based on that of the real life United States of Venezuela around 1905-1930.
The photographs used for the political leaders are also nods to both the general cultural aesthetic of the setting and some of real life history. Among others, the image used for Brazil's Regent-President Barbosa, though hearkening to the Cold War-era military dictatorship, is based on Ernesto Geisel, one of the figures who set the stage for Brazil's eventual transition back to democracy. Which in-universe, mirrors Barbosa lifting some of the excesses of the ruling Junta. Vice President Francoise Long Redford is based on Rose Lollita Long McFarland, the late daughter of the (in)famous Huey Long. This is meant to reflect the in-universe popullist dynamic of her party and family name, echoing the real Longs of Louisiana. While American Federation President Fritzgerald is based somewhat on US Senator Everett Dirksen.
For Gran Patagonia, there's a conscious effort not to go for the "usual" inspirations for the time period when it came to the images used. The President for instance is based on Francisco Manrique, who was in real life known for his more moderate views and opposition to Peron. While the Vice President is based somewhat on Jorge Alessandri of Chile.
The peculiar inclusion of Brazil in the map, despite being nominally a royalist nation in the setting is intentional. As while it's not explicitly admittedly, it's heavily implied that Gran Patagonia (and by some extent the American Federation) are manipulating the situation there to prop up both the military dictatorship (ostensibly to maintain order) and republican sentiment to eventually depose any lingering monarchist elements. In a sense mirroring various activities and covert operations in the New World during the Cold War.
The Sol de la Republica is the Sol de Mayo or Sun of May, the national emblem of both Argentina and Uruguay in real life.
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Left: political. Right: religious (TURCS scheme).
700 AD in a world where Elagabalus ascended to the throne later in life and was a competent and populist ruler. He managed to appease the people and the army with public works, charity, and victory over the Parthians in southern Mesopotamia and eastern Arabia. Severus Alexander was the commander of the forces in the East under Elagabalus, and Elagabalus commanded him to take antiquities from Syria and Mesopotamia for exhibition in Rome to affirm Elagabalus' own Syriac culture. Due to his religious reforms, however, he had an adversarial relationship with the Senate. He emphasized the worship of Deus Sol Invictus as part of a tetrarchy with Astarte, Minerva, and Urania, but promoted the concept of a pax deorum. In 234, general Severus Alexander assassinated and usurped Elagabalus because he was angered by Elagabalus' use of his battles in the East for political capital in Rome. He fought the newly created Sassanian dynasty in Persia, and lost eastern Arabia. Severus Alexander also followed the Sol Invictus cult, but was tolerant of Jewish and Christian minorities in the Empire. Later emperors in the 3rd and 4th centuries were not so tolerant, and cracked down on Christianity in Rome. By the beginning of the 5th century, Christianity was mostly banished to the East, where the major bishoprics in 450 AD were in Constantinople, Carthage, Antioch, Alexandria, and Armenia.
In the 5th century, a series of barbarian invasions occurred in the Empire. The Ostrogoths and Visigoths settled in Dacia and Pannonia, but the arrival of the Huns drove them farther south toward the coast. The western portion of the empire basically sacked its eastern counterpart for resources to make it through the century, drawing forces from the eastern border into Illyria and eastern Anatolia. Britain and Syria were effectively abandoned during the consolidation and asserted their independence. Further migrations in the 6th century saw the arrival of the Iranians and Slavs in the eastern Empire. Serbs and Croats settled in the Balkans, and the Alans took over Dacia. Ossetians conquered the greater portion of Anatolia, and the Georgians took over Pontus. In the 7th century, the Arab migrations swept the Near East and Africa, leading to an Arabian dynasty conquering Egypt. The Arab migrations were brought on by desertification on the Arabian peninsula.
Now, at the start of the 8th century, the Sassanian dynasty is weakened and riven with plague, and holds more land than it can control with its current power projection. The Iranian kingdoms and the Arab states are likely to use this moment of weakness from their adversary to conquer the Zagros range and Mesopotamia. The fortunes of Assyria are bound to those of the Sassanids, because if Persia falls or is severely weakened, the frontiers of Assyria will be defenseless. The Romans are ruled by a Vandalic dynasty. They are attempting to retain the remnants of their eastern holdings, reconquered from the Serbs and Ossetians, while also keeping their Germanic Foederatii appeased. The Britons landed an army in Frisia in 699, and are moving toward the Kingdom of the Franks in the hopes of conquering Caletum.
Notes:
- For the Foederati: Francia is blue, Vandalia is gray, Iutia is teal, and Anglia is lime.
- For the Arab states: pink is the Nabateans, brown in Kindah, dark orange is Yemen, white is Himyar, darker green is Mecca, and purple is Oman.
- The Roman puppet in Judea is the Patriarchate.
- The teal color on the religion map in Hungary, Persia, etc. is Mithraism.
Thanks for the interesting info. The last one was the first one I made so I understand it (and the other two also ) is very rough.
I wish I could speak Japanese to do it right, It’s funny you mention the United northern states because google translate kept wanted to just do United States so I had to fiddle with it. I knew someone would mention that one specifically. I’m definitely going to save your comment for future use.
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ATL, the Joseon dynasty that gave Korea that name would have never existed, instead being domimated by the Guguryeo Empire (different from OTL Goryeo). I think could have been called 高句麗 too
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Joseon was named after the Old Joseon Kingdom which existed ~2000 years ago, so Joseon definitely fits. It's one of the oldest names for Korea around.
The way Historiae Mutetur works is that each person takes the current map and then edits it to show what the world looked like 1, 5, or 10 years ago (I think currently each iteration is 10 years). So though the world in 2014 converges with our own regarding what the political entities look like, the reasons for place names are entirely different than in OTL.
The United States Civil War ended in 1862, after several disastrous Union defeats. The CSA was able to remain independent and win the war, thanks to aid from France and Britain during the war- British warships had been key in breaking the naval blockade. Following the armistice, the CSA pursued stronger relations with Britain and France, hoping they would serve as a deterrent for future Union aggression. The Union, in turn, distanced itself from the CSA and began seeking allies elsewhere- with a large Germanic population, many of whom had served in the Union ranks during the war (at the war's end, nearly 25% of recruits were of Germanic descent), they soon turned their attentions to the newly formed German Empire- the product of the Austro-Prussian War. Prussian victories in the war had sparked revolt in Hungary and Croatia, threatening the collapse of the Austrian Empire- as the situation rapidly became more and more desperate, Prussia offered union with Austria on equal terms in exchange for Prussian intervention. The Habsburgs put the deal off for as long as they could, but ultimately were forced to accept in order to salvage what was left of their authority. Hungary was ultimately successful in gaining independence from the Habsburgs, dragging Croatia away with them, but the rest of the Habsburg dominions remained solidly under German control.
Over the next several decades, European and American attentions would be focused on Asia, where Japanese ambitions began to threaten European power. It was only after a combined European invasion of China that they were able to subdue the Japanese, but in the process they caused the collapse of the Chinese imperial government- each European power carved out their own puppet government, around the territories they had invaded. When European attentions finally refocused on Africa, to sate their nationalistic appetites, several African states had grown more stable and prominent- strong enough, in fact, that a handful were successful in fighting off the Europeans entirely. The Confederation of the Kongo was one, a collection of tribes and kingdoms in the Kongo region that had coalesced into a rapidly developing state. Ethiopia and Benin were others, both of which had been forced to develop such radically militaristic cultures that Europeans feared even trading with them.
Wars with the Ottomans profited Hungary and Italy- the latter of which had experienced an economic boom in the years following their unification, and was now a highly industrialized power. German wars with virtually every state in Europe challenged and upset status quo's left and right, putting them at odds with, well, practically every state in Europe. They had, however, strong allies in the USA and Habsburg Mexico- as well as Hungary, who had managed to settle their disagreements with the Habsburgs and largely had the Germans to thank for their victory over the Ottomans- Germany had supplied much of their equipment and manpower.
The world seems miles away from war, however, as economies everywhere are booming and industry is developing at a rapid pace. Global trade is becoming ever-more profitable, and it seems that the world has finally realized that peace is more profitable than war.
Over the next several decades, European and American attentions would be focused on Asia, where Japanese ambitions began to threaten European power. It was only after a combined European invasion of China that they were able to subdue the Japanese, but in the process they caused the collapse of the Chinese imperial government- each European power carved out their own puppet government, around the territories they had invaded. When European attentions finally refocused on Africa, to sate their nationalistic appetites, several African states had grown more stable and prominent- strong enough, in fact, that a handful were successful in fighting off the Europeans entirely. The Confederation of the Kongo was one, a collection of tribes and kingdoms in the Kongo region that had coalesced into a rapidly developing state. Ethiopia and Benin were others, both of which had been forced to develop such radically militaristic cultures that Europeans feared even trading with them.
Wars with the Ottomans profited Hungary and Italy- the latter of which had experienced an economic boom in the years following their unification, and was now a highly industrialized power. German wars with virtually every state in Europe challenged and upset status quo's left and right, putting them at odds with, well, practically every state in Europe. They had, however, strong allies in the USA and Habsburg Mexico- as well as Hungary, who had managed to settle their disagreements with the Habsburgs and largely had the Germans to thank for their victory over the Ottomans- Germany had supplied much of their equipment and manpower.
The world seems miles away from war, however, as economies everywhere are booming and industry is developing at a rapid pace. Global trade is becoming ever-more profitable, and it seems that the world has finally realized that peace is more profitable than war.
Nice map, but I have some, well, question for your map.
1. Why doesn't Peru exist? with a pod of 1862, it would not have been a part of chile, even if the pacific war was totally won by chile, I'd assume that they would just take more coastal land.
2. why doesn't portugal have angola and Mozambique? The fact that france and britain split them is rather odd, to say the least. The Portuguese are allied to the UK, so wouldn't they want a stronger ally than a stronger (potential) enemy?
3. just a minor detail, but the Caprivi strip, in what appears to be American SW africa, wouldn't exist outside of otl, since the only reason it exists is so that Germany could access GEafrica easier
I enjoy the idea though
thanks for the questions! For 1, it has to do with some more extreme warring in South America- both the USA and CSA tried to do some empire-building there, and Peru and Chile ultimately decided that being one country was better than being two, for defense purposes. 2, Portugal gets in a war with Kongo while the rest of Europe is busy in China, loses said war, goes into a recession, and ends up neglecting her colonies because the situation at home gets so bad. When Europe and the Americas then get together to try and figure out what to do with Africa, Portugal gets left out and her former colonies go to France and GB. 3, that's actually something I didn't know- so I'll probably take it out.
One of the maps for the project I've recently begun working on at a faster pace; the core concept is "what if the Central Powers win WWI, and then some really weird ideas get put into practice instead of the usual Brest-Litovsk-and-friends we always get?" mixed with the far less map-visible "you know, Germany would probably be a lot less stable and happy to go along with whatever continental hegemony plans got cooked up by the folks calling the shots during the war than you generally see portrayed".
Once I get some more work done I intend to give it its own proper thread, though it may end up being a more traditional TL rather than going with EotR's graphics-focused style.
Interesting look at an alternate 3rd Century for the Roman-Persian world. A couple of questions come to mind;
1) If Sol Invictus is the primary faith, along with Hellenism, in the Roman sphere, how does Christianity end up looking? Would it take on Persian/Zoroastrian elements, be Arabized a la influences on OTL Islam, look like Oriental Orthodoxy, etc.?
2) Given what seems to be a larger-scale migration of Germans and Arabs into the Roman sphere (and as wild an Arab-Coptic Egypt or an Iberian England are), does that mean they bring their cultures and languages along for the ride (especially the foederati), or do they get Greco-Romanized?
3) Does Britain see themselves as inheritors of Romanness, or are they working under a "Britons rule, Latins drool" type of mentality?
4) If Anatolia is Caucasian and the Balkans are more Slavic than OTL, what becomes of Eastern Europe/*Russia? Any effects on China/India?
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Just a fun little map I threw together, working on a conlang based off of a Latin based language becoming the norm in Germania, big handwavium, but it mainly exists to get me back into mapping and have a platform to base a constructed language on
Any questions, throw them at me, not gonna lie, a lot of the town names could be a bit better.
1) Christianity tends toward Greek, Persian, and Syriac influences ITTL in terms of culture. The churches tend toward an autocephalous structure, with resemblance to Oriental Orthodoxy in terms of practices. Theological matters are resolved through dialogue and consensus in the absence of OTL's ecumenical councils.
2) The foederati have retained a largely Germanic culture and religion, with adaptations to fit into the Roman world. They live in Roman style houses, eat a mix of Roman and Germanic foods, worship Germanic gods, and speak Romance languages with Germanic influences.
3) Britain rejects the Sol Invictus cult and insists on using a Celtic kingship system, but are fine with using Roman infrastructure and administrative methods.
4) Finnic peoples control most of OTL European Russia and Eastern Europe, and a mix of Turkic and Iranian peoples inhabit the Eurasian steppe.
It's a fun concept, but the placenames are absurdly convergent. The Pannonian Croats were named after Pannonia (centered in OTL Hungary), the former Roman province where they settled; the Rus' (and Belarusians, and Russians) are named after the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruosi), transferred over by the Varangian Nords who conquered and were subsequently assimilated by the local Slavs; Carniola is named after the Roman city of Carnium, now Kranj in modern Slovenia; and Bulgaria is named after the Turkic Bulgars, who like the Varangians conquered and then were assimilated by the local Slavs. None of these make sense for countries in OTL France and the Low Countries.
So what's otl portland called? it was called portland because of a coin flip between the 2 founders (the other was from boston), so is it called like west boston itl?
More like Falmouth, which coincidentally was one of the early names of the settlement that became OTL Portland, Maine.
ok I'll try to explain my choices for the nations
Rossiya: Named after the Old Britannic word for South land (Roys)
Pannoniya: Named after the Chief of Paniyn, the founder of the Pannoniyan Tribe.
Carnolia: named after the chief Carnyl, the founder, they're the only slav nation that isn't mainly slavic (a mix of otl Frieslander (ittl they're Doits) and Slavic)
Bulgariya: Named after the Bulgars, which traveled with the slavs ittl
Kroatiya: Named after the Old Britannic word for low coast (Krot)
Allestriya: Named after the old Allemania tribe, which was wiped out during the Migration era.
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