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It's a little strange to extend North Yemen into the Hejaz, but whatever.
That was an attempt to capture the Shia of the southern Hejaz, though I probably took a bit too much. Definitely too much coast, but it's difficult to be precise in WorldA.

A "Mashriqi" state including both Syria and Sunni Arab areas in Iraq is fine, if a little unwieldy.
I considered calling the state "Assyria", but that would probably cause confusion with the Assyrian Christians (which would mostly be in Kurdistan now). "Syria" would probably be a better idea.

Is it unwieldy due to its sheer size, or are there more specific factors I'm overlooking?

Turkey probably still wants Iskandria, Alawites be damned!
I'm sure they do, though I imagine they'll be more concerned with losing half their country to the Kurds.

Your Lebanon seems to have OTL borders which means it's still a sectarian clusterfuffle.
Yeah, it just seems impossible to partition into viable states.

Also, be careful using terms like "ideal map" - people have gotten banned over this. Multiple times. Granted, usually for things far more controversial than this, but still.
It's part of my third Ideal World Map, which is inspired by the old thread to that effect.
 
I considered calling the state "Assyria", but that would probably cause confusion with the Assyrian Christians (which would mostly be in Kurdistan now). "Syria" would probably be a better idea.

Is it unwieldy due to its sheer size, or are there more specific factors I'm overlooking?

I'd go with Mashriq, since that's the traditional term for [greater] Syria + Iraq.

And it's unwieldy mostly because it has two different economic and population centers, that are far away from each other and hard to link. Unless a new capital is built right in the middle of the desert, you're likely to see either Syria or Iraq feeling neglected - and if the capital is in the middle, it might be both!

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's hard.
 
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WIP southeast map
 

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Out of curiosity have you read The Testaments? (the sequel not the Bible). Spoilers: Gilead is collapsed from the inside out?

I have not, though I will take a gander at it.

For someone who lives in Israel, the names are hilarious. How did you find all those names?

I had to look long and hard for these cities, using the Bible and whatnot. I also had to use obscure websites too.
 
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Very rough WIP of a map of America 30 or so years after a nuclear war. The war is meant to take place in the near future not the past like Doomsday 1983.
 
So what is the great plains like? I see that the Dhegian Peoples (Kaw, Osage, Ponca, Omaha, and Quapaw) didn't make their great migration, or went more north/west. Or they did and have very different Exonyms.

this is only 1050 AD, so the Dhegiha have had a very different migration. they were mostly pushed out of the Ohio River basin similarly to OTL by alt-Iroquoian groups and reside mostly west and south of the Ohio now. the Pacaha on the map are the southernmost Dhegiha group, though they're in a slightly different location they're analogous to the ancestors of the Quapaw of OTL.

the larger Great Plains are a place I'm not very well-versed on, but when I get to them in my TL (link in sig) I'll have to do a lot of research. right now in my head the situation there is pretty similar to OTL societies-wise north of Kansas, but the Huastec and Huatepec to the south exert influence in the southern Plains. they're inhabited by Siouan and Caddoan languages, the big difference is that there's no Cree, Niitsitapi or Cheyenne due to the POD of a very different proto-Algic migration.
 
Hey, this is a bit of a challenge to the world builder map makers (rvbomally, bmunro etc). There are a number of well thought out and interesting alternate countries on YouTube. The ones that come to mind are WTF Foxy and Korean Mapping's 22 minute Alternate Empires of the World, but there are many more. My challenge is to come up with a plausible history for how things became the way they are and make a world map. Obviously, it would be easier with the more plausible nations.
Youtuber mapping isn't particularly of high quality, so most of us just don't bother
 
Hey, this is a bit of a challenge to the world builder map makers (rvbomally, bmunro etc). There are a number of well thought out and interesting alternate countries on YouTube. The ones that come to mind are WTF Foxy and Korean Mapping's 22 minute Alternate Empires of the World, but there are many more. My challenge is to come up with a plausible history for how things became the way they are and make a world map. Obviously, it would be easier with the more plausible nations.

Oh no, you are giving me memories of my past:
(For the record, I am planning on doing some actually realistic videos)
 
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From the UAR-verse:

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New York Counties by Date Formed

  1. Albany (1683): Named after James II of England who held the title of Duke of Albany. (Colonial)
  2. Bergen (1683): Named after Bergen, a settlement of the former Dutch colony of New Netherland. (Colonial)
  3. Essex (1683): Named after the county of Essex in England. (Colonial)
  4. Middlesex (1683): Named after the county of Middlesex in England. (Colonial)
  5. Monmouth (1683): Named after the county of Monmouth in Wales. (Colonial)
  6. Dutchess (1683): Named after Lady Anne Hyde, Duchess of New York. (Colonial)
  7. York (1683): Originally New York County. Renamed following the consolidation of New York City in 1907. Named after James II of England who held the title of Duke of York. (Colonial)
  8. Orange (1683): Named after William of Orange-Nassau, who became King of England. (Colonial)
  9. Richmond (1683): Named after Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond. (Colonial)
  10. Ulster (1683): Named after the Irish province of Ulster, then an earldom of James II. (Colonial)
  11. Westchester (1683): Named after the English city of Chester. (Colonial)
  12. Somerset (1688): Named after the county of Somerset in England. (Colonial)
  13. Hunterdon (1712): Named after Robert Hunter, colonial governor of New York at the time. (Colonial)
  14. Cosby (1736): Named after William Cosby, colonial governor of New York at the time. (Colonial)
  15. Sussex (1757): Named after the county of Sussex in England. (Colonial)
  16. Montgomery (1772): Originally Tryon County. Renamed after American Independence War general Richard Montgomery in 1784. (Colonial)
  17. Washington (1772): Originally Charlotte County. Renamed after American Independence War general George Washington in 1784. (Colonial)
  18. Van Buren (1786): Originally named Columbia County. Renamed after the Van Buren family of Kinderhook in 1832. (AoU govt.)
  19. Frelinghuysen (1786): Named after the Frelinghuysen family. (AoU govt.)
  20. Clinton (1788): Named after Lord-Governor George I, who was Governor of New York at the time. (AoU govt.)
  21. George (1791): Named after George Clinton, first Lord-Governor of New York. (George I)
  22. Cornelia (1791): Originally Otsego County. Renamed after Lady Cornelia Tappen Genet, née Clinton, daughter of Lord-Governor Clinton I and cousin of Lord-Governor DeWitt, in 1816 following the Erie Conflict with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. (George I)
  23. Rensselaer (1791): Named after the Rensselaer family of New York. (George I)
  24. Charles (1791): Originally Saratoga County. Renamed after Sir Charles Alexander Clinton, son of Lord-Governor DeWitt, in 1816 following the Erie Conflict with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. (George I)
  25. Tappen (1791): Originally Tioga County. Renamed after First Lady Sarah Clinton, née Tappen, wife of Lord-Governor George I, in 1816 following the Erie Conflict with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. (George I)
  26. James (1795): Named after Sir James Clinton, brother of Lord-Governor George I and general in the American Independence War. (George I)
  27. Steuben (1797): Named for Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, the Prussian general who assisted the Continental Army during the American Independence War.* (George I)
  28. Williams (1798): Originally Chenago County. Renamed after Sir George William Clinton, son of Lord-Governor DeWitt, in 1816 following the Erie Conflict with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. (George I)
  29. Rockland (1798): Named from early settlers describing that region as "rocky land." (George I)
  30. Wayne (1798): Named after American Independence War general Anthony Wayne. (George I)
  31. Fox (1799): Named after famed American writer, philosopher and political theorist Isaac Fox. (George I)
  32. French (1799): Named after William French, the New York judge appointed over what is now the Green Mountain Republic who was killed in the Westminster Massacre. (George I)
  33. McDougall (1800): Named after American Independence War general Alexander McDougall. (George I)
  34. Lewis (1806): Named after Morgan Lewis, third Lieutenant-Governor to George I and the realm's second Prime Minister. (George I)
  35. Schuyler (1806): Named after American Independence War general Phillip Schuyler, who notably ran against George I in the first lordship election. (George I)
  36. Catherine (1808): Named after Lady Catherine Cortlandt, née Clinton, daughter of Lord-Governor George I. (George I)
  37. Franklin (1808): Named after Benjamin Franklin. (George I)
  38. Scott (1809): Named after American Independence War militia leader John Morris Scott. (George I)
  39. Tompkins (1810): Named after Daniel Tompkins, fourth and final Lieutenant-Governor to George I. (George I)
  40. Julia (1810): Originally named Susquehanna County. Renamed after Lady Julia Catherine Jacobs, née Clinton, daughter of Lord-Governor DeWitt, in 1816 following the Erie Conflict with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. (George I)
  41. Alexander (1812): Named after American War of Independence hero and soldier William Alexander. (DeWitt)
  42. DeWitt (1813): Named after DeWitt Clinton, second Lord-Governor of New York.
  43. Maria (1816): Named after First Lady Maria Clinton, née Franklin, first wife of Lord-Governor DeWitt. (DeWitt)
  44. Pitcher (1814): Named after Sir Nathaniel Pitcher, first Lieutenant-Governor to DeWitt. (DeWitt)
  45. Tallmadge (1823): Named for Sir James Talmadge, second Lieutenant-Governor to DeWitt. (DeWitt)
  46. Graham (1824): Named for Sir James Graham Clinton, half-brother of DeWitt. (DeWitt)
  47. Maarten (1834): Named for Martin Van Buren, fourth Lord-Governor of New York. (Martin)
  48. Mitchill (1837): Named for Samuel Mitchill, third Lord-Governor of New York. (Martin)
  49. Mercer (1838): Named for Hugh Mercer, who died at the Battle of Princeton. (Martin)
  50. Hudson (1840): Named after the Hudson River. (Martin)
  51. Marcy (1842): Named after Sir William Marcy, first Lieutenant-Governor to Martin and Prime Minister. (Martin)
  52. Hoes (1850): Named after Hannah Van Buren, née Hoes, Lord-Governor Martin's late wife. (Martin)
  53. Abraham (1857): Named for Sir Abraham Van Buren, son of Martin. (Martin)
  54. Dumont (1878): Named for Mary Dumont, mother of Lord-Governor Frederick I. (Frederick I)
  55. Palisades (1907): Named after the palisades on the eastern shore of the Hudson River. (Frederick II)
  56. Bronx (1907): Named after early Dutch settler Jonas Bronck. (Frederick II)
 
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Tripartite Continent.

POD: The Nazis invade Switzerland in 1940 and Charles de Gaulle dies on 21 April 1943, after his plane crashed due to German sabotage of the aeroplane's separator rod. The US and Britain win the race to Berlin and USSR occupies Yugoslavia and Northern Greece.

Without de Gaulle leading the French resistance, the Americans decide to occupy the nation after the war. This lead to the French-American animosity, France would lose it's entire colonial empire as it was handed over to the UN. The French protested but had no means to retaliate. Thus leaving France with it's European holding.

The Occupation lasted until 1947, When a coalition of Socialist and communist parties won the 1947 french election the US tried to intervene and remove them from power. This lead to a brief conflict, were the People, the Military and political Parties of France united to remove their occupiers. Ironically this event led to a uptick in Nationalism, and Pied-noirs flooded into the country after the algerian government enacted legalistion targeting them, France would become the foremost right wing state in Europe.

At the same time the US occupied Switzerland using their power to end the Swiss tradition of financial privacy. This along with auditing Swiss banks to find hidden Nazi gold and help survivors of the holocaust regain their family wealth led to a massive drop of confidence in Swiss banks, leading to many looking elsewhere to place their money.

From 1947-50 France, cut off from the Marshall plan and surrounded by American puppets was quiet isolated in Europe. That all changed in 1950 when France went nuclear, defying the 1949 UN charter that limited nuclear ownership to the US, British, and the USSR.

In 1952, France would invade the Iberian Peninsula to remove the last vestige of Fascism on the continent. Installing pro French Governments in Spain and Portugal. In 1953 France also bound them to it economically creating the European Unity Zone (EUZ), alongside Andorra and Monaco, Switzerland would also join in the same year, due to economic troubles caused by American occupation.

In 1954, Greece joins the EUZ, After Turkey enters NATO, Greece's protest would fall of deaf ears. 1955 was and important year in the EUZ, as the Korean war died down North Greece would invade it's southern Brother, The EUZ would respond to Greece's call for help, over 500k French, 100k Spanish, 50k Swiss and 23k Portuguese, soldiers would fight alongside Greece.

During the war Tito would expel Soviet troops from Yugoslavia, leaidng to the Soviets invading and sponsoring ethnic conflict, the Tito would ask the EUZ for help, who obliged and opened another front in the war via Yugoslavia. The War ended in 1957 decisively in the EUZ's favour as they occupied all of Northern Greece and most the western Balkans. Yugoslavia would dissolve Into Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo and Macedonia, and alongside Albaia would join the EUZ. While a communist state called Yugoslavia remained on the Eastern side of the Danube River occupied by the Soviets.

The Success of the EUZ, led to Austria's membership in 1955 when the allied occupation ended. Later Israel and Cyprus would enter in 1960. In 1966, the EUZ would fight a brief war against Egypt, Syria and Jordan, with mostly Israeli, French and Greek troops on the ground. After the war the Sinai peninsula was demilitarised and the three Arab states were forced to acknowledge Israels as a Nation and their sovereignty over their lands and Finally all three were forced to settle Arabs who refused Israeli citizenship in their country.

In 1973, the European central bank was formed to create a unified currency the Euro via the merger of Banque de France, Swiss National Bank and the Central Bank of Israel, headquartered in Zurich. All 3 agreed also on a fiscal agreement, were they and other countries that adopted the Euro, had to accept to keep their spending budgets 97% of their tax revenue.

Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Austria, Andorra and Monaco, adopted Euro in 1975, Potugal in 1976, Slovenia in 1977, Albania and Kosovo in 1979 and Macedonia, Serbia and Croatia in 1980.

In 1977, after over six years of economic turmoil known as the years of lead, Italy applied for EUZ membership when the IMF refused to extend them credit. After 5 years of negotiations and austerity measures placed on them by the EUZ to cut down their national debt and Finally leaving NATO, Italy became a member in 1982, and would later adopt the Euro in 1985. San Marino and the Vatican while not members have adopted the Euro as their currency.

In 1983 the USSR started a program of reform, but that would eventually lead to it's collapse in 1988, map below is the 3 alliance

The EUZ in 1990 is the 2nd largest economy in the World behind the US and ahead of Japan. France is the nation with the the fourth largest economy in world behind the USA, Japan and USSR and Just ahead of Germany, whiel Italy has recovered from it's sevenies recession and is the 7th largest economy behind the UK. While Spain comes in 10th, behind southern China and Canada.

EUZ Members: 1988

Albania
Andorra
Austria
Croatia
Cyprus
Greece
Israel
Italy
Kosovo
Macedonia
Monaco
Portugal
Serbia
Slovenia
Spain
Switzerland

Map: July 21 1988 the day before the collapse of the USSR.
Red: Warsaw Pact
Blue: NATO
Green: EUZ



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