Dalmatia and free hand over Albania might be given instead. I think Italy is given some of the Italian majority lands on the border but not as much extend east compared to otl. Austria has more Germans there and its a more major port for them. They will recognize Italian rights and privileges in Austria for helping CP. They might give them Dalmatia because it has much more non Germans then other areas they could give them. Some of the claims in the north do over lap with some German ethnic lands a bit.Nice, Annecy, Corsica and Tunisia probably, as well as Trento and Trieste from Austria as compensation for entering the war on the CP side (Italy wouldn't enter a war at the same side as Austria without some compensation).
Italy would be stuck in a different set of mountains than OTL. Italians and mountain offensives is not the love story we need, but the one we deserve.Dalmatia and free hand over Albania might be given instead. I think Italy is given some of the Italian majority lands on the border but not as much extend east compared to otl. Austria has more Germans there and its a more major port for them. They will recognize Italian rights and privileges in Austria for helping CP. They might give them Dalmatia because it has much more non Germans then other areas they could give them. Some of the claims in the north do over lap with some German ethnic lands a bit.
Italy can get a lot out of France. They might take more directly from France instead of Germany. Germany just takes Luxembourg and creates demilitarized zone in northern France. Belgium likely dismantled and the idea of a United Dutch buffer is brought back in the north. Italy get Corsica, Nice, and Savoy with little issue. In colonies they could get Tunis, Djibouti, and maybe steals some Chinese ports too. In Europe if Germany was looking to screw France really hard and Italy feels a little too over ambitious by success tries to annex everything east of Rhône River.
I don’t think they get anything from Britain even if they still join. I don’t think they could bear British navy or make heavy advancements on them. Would Britain join even if Germany still invaded Belgium like otl but has Italy support from the very start? Italians are pushing in southern France while the Germans are rushing through Belgium towards Paris. Can France even fight a two front war at all?
Could Italy Chad?
Yes but isn’t those mountains less bad and the coastline makes resupplying easier. The Austrians might not have been as strong as France but their mountain border is much more defendable then France especially with the Germans marching towards Paris.Italy would be stuck in a different set of mountains than OTL. Italians and mountain offensives is not the love story we need, but the one we deserve.
If Britain is in the War, Italy cannot join the CP. It’s financial and industrial suicide for the Italian economy. There will be a collapse on a home front proving incapable of supporting Armies in the field.
To answer the OP’s question, a CP Italy would probably get a fascist overthrow of the government earlier and I severely doubt the CP would win the War with the additional net drain of a CP Italy.
Italy can join CP, its just thats its Hitler scale Gamble betting on short victorious war.
Not really. It’s a simple economic calculation, one that Salandra and Sonnino made OTL and realised they couldn’t go CP. They would need vast quantities of German-Austrian supplies (that the Germans or especially the Austrians wouldn’t be able to deliver) before even contemplating mobilisation. Short War or not, Italy didn’t have the industrial base or the economy to fight a War and wouldn’t have the public opinion to fight for what the CP could offer.
Just because economic calculations make something a bad idea, doesn't mean it's something a nation wouldn't do. If that was the case there would never have been a WW1 at all.
Any sorts of incidents in the years before 1914 could have led to bad blood between Italy and France with "Now is the time to get back at them for....."-feelings overriding economic concerns.
That said I think the best way for Italy to join the CP from a cost-benefit analysis would be for them to stay neutral longer at first. Then for butterflies to have the U.S. also stay neutral. And then them joining, once Russia throws the towel and Entente credit runs out.
Quite so. It would be nice if postulates like this give plausible arguments why X happened instead of Y, instead of just saying it happened. The criteria for an alternate reality is that there is some rhyme and reason, otherwise just put into the ASB section.
If Paris falls, and France seems to be on the verge of defeat, Italy could try in 1914 what they did IOTL 1940 hoping that the war is won and it's going to end up quite soon.
Why would Paris fall in 1914 here?
The battle of the Marne is a German victory by some strike of luck.
If France is ready and kicking, I cannot imagine a reason why Italy is going to risk entering the war for the reasons quoted above. So, the Marne has to be a German victory and France get hit hard.