There was a special rack developed to allow Hurricane pilots to stow them under the wings
The Royal navy had a special cradle for them as well
There was a special rack developed to allow Hurricane pilots to stow them under the wings
I voted Browning Hi Power, but is there a reason the Walther was left off the list?
As others have pointed out, pistols will do really nothing for changing the combat power of an outfit.Maybe the Soviets had it right with the 9x18 Makarov
I'd proffer the Walther P38 should be added. While the Germans had Lugers they had far more Walthers. Just me though.No reason other than when I started the thread I was thinking more towards 9mm Parabellum size guns. Now I am inclining more towards 9mm short (.380) sized weapons firing a heavier bullet to try and match the .38/200 round that was adopted. Maybe the Soviets had it right with the 9x18 Makarov.
I'd proffer the Walther P38 should be added. While the Germans had Lugers they had far more Walthers. Just me though.
Pistols are almost a nonissue. Find one off the shelf, and buy a bunch (recommend the same now).
As others have pointed out, pistols will do really nothing for changing the combat power of an outfit.
What does change things are SMGs or PDWs in pistol calibers
They might just copy one though, tweaking it just enough to claim it's British. The did it with the Bergman MP28 to turn it into the Lanchester. Yes that was a wartime measure but by 1938 war's coming and everyone with eyes knows it.I can't see the British buying a German weapon in 1938.
They might just copy one though, tweaking it just enough to claim it's British. The did it with the Bergman MP28 to turn it into the Lanchester. Yes that was a wartime measure but by 1938 war's coming and everyone with eyes knows it.
I'd proffer the Walther P38 should be added. While the Germans had Lugers they had far more Walthers. Just me though.
Pistols are almost a nonissue. Find one off the shelf, and buy a bunch (recommend the same now).
Very excellent point. That is helpful.P38 Prototypes did not start appearing until 1939 and actual production in any numbers not until 1940 - so while I see nothing wrong with it as a pistol etc I think it is too 'late' to consider as a design for the British to copy and place into production etc
It's German.I voted Browning Hi Power, but is there a reason the Walther was left off the list?
Exactly.I can't see the British buying a German weapon in 1938.
Basically a rimless .38/200. A likely option. Historically I'm not aware of a 9x17 load with a bullet over 95 grains but there's no reason not to go heavier, say 125 grains or more.No reason other than when I started the thread I was thinking more towards 9mm Parabellum size guns. Now I am inclining more towards 9mm short (.380) sized weapons firing a heavier bullet to try and match the .38/200 round that was adopted. Maybe the Soviets had it right with the 9x18 Makarov.
I'm surprised the UK didn't look more at a shorter 7.7mm round and a carbine PDW. The rationale is there.The pistol in British service wasn't a combat weapon. A pistol was still needed as I said for military police use, as a bailout weapon for air and tank Crews and as something to arm 2nd line troops. SMGs in the early 1930s were still an exotic toy and PDWs were science fiction.
Early Science Fiction, WWI era flavorSMGs in the early 1930s were still an exotic toy and PDWs were science fiction.
My first vote was also for the high power. Full disclosure I have fond memories of learning how to shot an Ingils made one as a teenager (a long time ago )Very excellent point. That is helpful.
I am still liking the HiPower, frankly against anything for the next three or four decades. Full disclosure I have a crappy version of one that I swear was made by some East European country. Its junk but you can see it being an awesome pistol with a good manufacturer.
Interesting, thanks ! I wasn't aware the UK issued the 1911 in .38 super.Some real world British handguns of WWII Era:
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Colt 1911 in .38 Super. Issued to Commando Units.
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Ballester-Molina in .45 ACP. Made in Argentina. Issued to Commando Units and 8th Army in the North Africa.
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My personal favorite! Colt Single Action in .357 Magnum. Issued to Royal Air Force pilots.
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Colt SAA in .45 cal. Same as above.
Yeah I know why they did that.
Yes, in the grand scheme of things rifles are as cheap as chips. The man-hours to do all that work, definitely not. This I think is exactly why the AK74 ended up the way it did. It wasn’t that the Soviets couldn’t design and field a spiffier more modern/ergonomic design, but they figured that a minimal-change variant that basically only needed a new rifle, magazines and ammo with essentially everything else BAU was plenty good enough, and gave no issues with all the zillions of 47s they were still using.Not when you include the cost of retraining every single member of the Armed Forces and Cadet Forces, additional retraining for every single armourer, probably 15x magazines for each, new rifle cleaning kits for everyone (plus spares), new armourer kits, replacement rifle clips for every single tank, APC, SPG, CVR(T), 43, MAN SV, specialised vehicle, 4T and Land Rover in the Armed Forces, new shelving for every single armoury in the Armed Forces and Cadet Forces, new rifle racks for every single guardroom in the Armed Forces, new posters for every training wing, basic training room, TA/Cadet hall etc in the entire Armed Forces, rewriting the drill manual (and retraining the entire Armed Forces and Cadet Force), new PAMs for the entire Armed Forces/Cadet Forces, rewriting TAMs for every single member of the Armed Forces (assuming they still exist) and probably a load of other costs I've not thought of from the top of my head.
The C96 would be a horrendous thing to tool up for and to use, it’s literally a 19th century design. By the time it’s made minimally competitive it’s basically going to be a brand new design. Then there is the issue that full-auto pistol “carbines” are almost always a curates egg. Either they are OK pistols that are a horror show in full auto or they are OK SMGs that are giant clumpy awkward pistols.I was thinking the British may improve the C-96 or at least make the Inglis HP automatic.