I do not agree to that school of thought, but hey, your TL, your rules, Carp.
Which is something I do often Carlo Maria could go as part of an ambassady in Genoa and meet Letizia there, for example. But as I said this is not my timeline.But in this case, Historymaster, Napoleon's maternal grandfather is almost certainly not even living on Corsica anymore. Even if his daughter is born and is more or less the same person as OTL, (and that is doubtful) she will likely never even meet a hypothetical Carlo di Buonoparte. This isn't something that wouldn't have been affected by the changes--the fundamental circumstances of their lives have been altered by this. Even under your standards, Napoleon should not be born in this universe--having being born would be twisting the rules to get a desired result.
See now, that seems strange, not apprently just to me. That sounds like a timeline where all butterflies are mercilessly hunted down. What's even the point, in that case?
But when the POD has made it impossible bar ASB? Even if Napoleon is somehow born by twisting things , he will get a different upbringing. Without a French annexation, he's not French, he cannot join the Academy and hence the French Army as OTL. There is reducing butterflies and there is lazy parallelism.The point is to use the narrative of history as shorthand.
Such as
And millions of others.
- King George III of Great Britain (1738)
- William Pitt the Younger (1759)
- Thomas Jefferson (1743)
- King Louis XVI of France (1754)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749)
- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756)
- Emperor Joseph II (1741)
- Tsar Paul I of Russia (1754)
Looking at his family background, I think you've got a point where he's concerned - Mozart's parents were already born as of the PoD and married only a few years after; seeing as they were both Salzburg people by the time the TL gets started, there's virtually no reason to think they won't still end up together, or that Leopold's career as a musician would be in any way altered, so Amadeus still being born (including the death of his mother) likely happens as OTL.There's no reason to butterfly Mozart out of existence, seriously...
Looking at his family background, I think you've got a point where he's concerned - Mozart's parents were already born as of the PoD and married only a few years after; seeing as they were both Salzburg people by the time the TL gets started, there's virtually no reason to think they won't still end up together, or that Leopold's career as a musician would be in any way altered, so Amadeus still being born (including the death of his mother) likely happens as OTL.
EDIT ADD: For that matter, it's still fairly likely (at least by my personal preference of standards, as noted above) that William Pitt the Younger is still born TTL - @Carp has already noted that William the Elder's rise is (at least more or less) as OTL, and there's no reason to think he didn't still marry Lady Ester since I'm guessing he still would have been friends with her family.
For that matter, it's highly likely that the parents of Louis XVI and Paul I still marry TTL (even Sophie's historic marriage in Russia). I can't even really think of a reason Goethe wouldn't be born in Frankfurt as OTL.
My bad then; I must have missed that completely.I thought we all said we were dropping this stupid butterfly argument because it is clearly clogging up the thread from more relevant discussion.
Looking at his family background, I think you've got a point where he's concerned - Mozart's parents were already born as of the PoD and married only a few years after; seeing as they were both Salzburg people by the time the TL gets started, there's virtually no reason to think they won't still end up together, or that Leopold's career as a musician would be in any way altered, so Amadeus still being born (including the death of his mother) likely happens as OTL.
EDIT ADD: For that matter, it's still fairly likely (at least by my personal preference of standards, as noted above) that William Pitt the Younger is still born TTL - @Carp has already noted that William the Elder's rise is (at least more or less) as OTL, and there's no reason to think he didn't still marry Lady Ester since I'm guessing he still would have been friends with her family.
For that matter, it's highly likely that the parents of Louis XVI and Paul I still marry TTL (even Sophie's historic marriage in Russia). I can't even really think of a reason Goethe wouldn't be born in Frankfurt as OTL.
"In 1755 the total revenue of the Republic [of Genoa] amounted to just over 5,000,000 francs [...] In the same year the total interest paid annually on the public debt amounted to about 3,240,000 francs: more than three-fifths of the total revenues were therefore absorbed by the interest on the debt."
Yes, you read that correctly, that's nearly 65% of Genoa's entire revenue devoted just to servicing the public debt. And this is in 1755, seven years after the end of the WAS and at the very beginning of Paoli's republic. Those senatorial budget committee meetings must have been pretty grim.
The late Genoese Republic was one of those nations that less existed, and more persisted.
The late Genoese Republic was one of those nations that less existed, and more persisted.
The San Marco channel was a genual idea, who would have given Venezia huge commercial advantages.