The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV

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chankljp

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Gen.Jurten said:
"Marlin Narco-Barons"
That's actually really original. Not alot of post-apocalyptic works thought of this concept even though it'd be really obvious in hindsight. Probably descendants of the Cartels, with "marlins" came from the Medellins
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Well, the things is, just as the writers of "1983: Doomsday" had pointed out, in a post-apocalyptic world, with the collapse of the global economy and the destruction of some of the world's most developed countries, the drug cartels will quickly lose influence as most of their customers have just been turned into nuclear shadows and radioactive glass, while those that remain will be more concerned with food and shelter instead of getting high.

Sure, the Cartels will perhaps be better suited to survive in the post-apocalyptic world initially thanks to them having a better level of organisation, access to arms, an brutal reputation to establish themselves as a powerful faction and turn areas alreadyunder their influence into their warlord fiefdoms... But in order to keep power and survive in the long run, they will have to quickly turn all their coca leaf fields and marijuana greenhouses into producing corn and potatoes, and the same goes for drug labs that used to produce crystal meth and ecstasy now making medical supplies such as aspirin and antibiotics instead.

Give it a few generations, their descendants will likely become just another generic warlord faction in the wasteland, with their origins as a drug cartel being at most kept as a vague memory that gets occasionally referenced in things like titles and rank of members.
 
RandomWriter

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New leak.
 
Gukpard

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Scotland is a republic. There is some respect for the nobility there, or the local nobility titles were revocked like in post revolutionary france?
 

Mr.J

chankljp said:
Well, the things is, just as the writers of "1983: Doomsday" had pointed out, in a post-apocalyptic world, with the collapse of the global economy and the destruction of some of the world's most developed countries, the drug cartels will quickly lose influence as most of their customers have just been turned into nuclear shadows and radioactive glass, while those that remain will be more concerned with food and shelter instead of getting high.

Sure, the Cartels will perhaps be better suited to survive in the post-apocalyptic world initially thanks to them having a better level of organisation, access to arms, an brutal reputation to establish themselves as a powerful faction and turn areas alreadyunder their influence into their warlord fiefdoms... But in order to keep power and survive in the long run, they will have to quickly turn all their coca leaf fields and marijuana greenhouses into producing corn and potatoes, and the same goes for drug labs that used to produce crystal meth and ecstasy now making medical supplies such as aspirin and antibiotics instead.

Give it a few generations, their descendants will likely become just another generic warlord faction in the wasteland, with their origins as a drug cartel being at most kept as a vague memory that gets occasionally referenced in things like titles and rank of members.
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Well, if they can survive the first couple years when everyone is starving, I imagine the post-apocalyptic world would have plenty of people ready to trade some potatoes or scrap iron for some weed or opium. Poor peasant and proletarian masses have paid for drugs before after all.
 

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Regarding the Luftwaffe bombing malus for the Russian states, how will this be handled with the outbreak of the German Civil War? I sort of feel it would be a letdown if the effect simply vanished overnight but on the other hand it seems unlikely that any of the factions would be willing to spare bombers to terrorize random Russian villages. Perhaps the effects of the bombing should slowly decline as the civil war drags on as well as the player having the ability to develop counter-measures that increasingly make their state 'too hot to handle'.
 

chankljp

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I take it that this means similar to OTL's 'Operation Cyclone' in which the CIA helped armed the mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, in the TNO world the Americans will be supplying the West Russian Revolutionary Front with FIM-43 Redeye MANPAD missiles (The Stinger missile was not put into service in OTL until the 1980s) to shoot down Luftwaffe aircraft? Perhaps by using Finland and Sweden as the equivalent of Pakistan as a staging areas for 'plausible deniability'?

Lets hope that this will not come back to bite the US in the butt decades later when these MANPADs somehow find their way into the hands of whatever extremist groups that Omsk will give rise to, as they start using the same missiles to start shooting down civilian airliners from OFN member states....
 

President Earl Warren

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Or those crazy Orthodox fundies in Gayny.
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Probably not, I think it's more likely that the Soviets eventually win but they need to rebuild and flex their muscles so they start selling the weapons to other socialist states at marked up prices to get money for their rebuilding. Some of theses socialist states are probably not big fans of the USA
 
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chankljp

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Something I just saw over on the Reddit page posted by Panzer that I thought everyone here will find very interested:

An ATL for the TNO world in which West Russian Revolutionary Front emerges triumphant.... Sort of.

With a POD of Speidel's counter-coup against the SS failing, resulting in the SS attempting to overthrow Hitler... Only for the coup to also fail, hence sparking off the German Civil War years earlier, and throwing the entire Unity-Pakt into utter chaos while the Russians took advantage of the situation to push forward. This allowed the WRRF to not just push the Nazi out of Eastern Europe entirely, but march all the way to the gates of Germania itself, and laying siege to the Reich's capital.

In desperation, just as the Russians entered his 'Welthauptstadt', out of spite Hitler ordered the use of nuclear weapons, committing suicide by destroying the city and all the Russian forces surrounding it. With nukes also being deployed against targets across Western Russia (Though not nearly as extensive as one might expect, since the Nazi nuclear arsenal was not as well developed during the early 1950s, not to mention half the silos being controlled by the SS instead of Hitler's loyalist).

Hence, by the game's starting date in this ATL, you have the Russians controlling the eastern parts of Germany and large swaths of Central and Eastern Europe... Just barely, since the Front doesn't even control all of Russia and are already having a hard time even holding on to the parts of their homeland under their rule. Hence to say that they struggle in holding on to their new conquest will be an understatement.

Meanwhile, Himmler and the SS controls what is left German under the ATL version of the Burgundian System, while holding on to what is left of the Unity Pakt....

Overall, we will end up with a world that is no better off, if not actually worst off, compared to the one it diverged from.

I, for one, dread to even imagine what types of unspeakable atrocities they Russian would have most likely committed across the parts of Central and Eastern Europe that they control, not just out of vengeance, but also simply to survive as unlike the OTL Soviet Union, they don't even have anything resembling a industrial base or an economy left anymore. The same goes for the rump Nazi Reich under the rule of Himmler, looting all of Western Europe dry in an attempt build-up enough strength to repel the 'Slavic hoards' out of the Fatherland.

It does make me wonder how the United States and OFN would react to all of this....
 
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Gukpard

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I watched the HBO Chernobyl documentary, and I just can imagine that if something close to that happen in TNO Germany the results would be the same, independent of who is in power. Speer, Bormann, Heydrich, Goering, all of them would try to cover up until the radiation leaks into neutral countries and I can only imagine the immeasurable amount of pain and suffering the german people would pass through. Considering that Bormann start Gorbachov like reforms, and how Chernobyl was one of the main reasons why they failed as it is written below, I believe that Offenheit could fail if such a desaster happen.

"It is difficult to establish the total economic cost of the disaster. According to Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union spent 18 billion rubles (the equivalent of US$18 billion at that time, or $35.7 billion in today's dollars[233]) on containment and decontamination, virtually bankrupting itself."
 
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