I had an idea? What about an anarchist Korea?
Together with a syndicalist or democratic socialist Japan? That would be cool!
I had an idea? What about an anarchist Korea?
And so we have decided to:
- have a far-left East Australia and a libertarian democratic West Australia.
Well, as far as I can see it is now decided via the poll system. Did you vote in the polls?
Also, Western Australia (the state) did have a secession referendum in 1933 in OTL - why do you think it makes "zero sense"?
I just had another idea for Japan: A democratic republican Japan, leaning left but still democratic, leading a red sphere in East Asia (and thus percieved as red)? Would that be possible at all?
Or should we just go for the Red Revolution that we are envisioning?
I had an idea? What about an anarchist Korea?
Together with a syndicalist or democratic socialist Japan? That would be cool!
Anyway, the POD is between 1917 and 1919.
Again, do these ideas have historical precedent? Are there historical movements that could plausibly have obtained power? Does this work with other established canon? How could such ideologies have taken power in societies where they are antithetical to all the society stands for?
Because WA seceding but leaving Australia as a democratic constitutional state has precedent, but East and West Australia at each other’s throats, while both adhering to radically different ideologies with no historical basis in Australia does not.
With three options, it does not work well as a runoff poll.
Does this work with other established canon?
I have made a proposal for the POD before, but I guess I will write it down again, and if you like, we can have a poll on it.And herein lies the problem. If you still haven’t determined a POD, everything else - and I mean everything - is still moot. The POD determines the following events. You have to know what the POD is because that informs:
And all of that determines the events of the following decades, up to the modern day.
- Germany’s status at the end of the war
- Thus how much control it exerts over Central and Eastern Europe
- If revolutions occur in any states, and if so, which ones
- How revanchist states are
- How stable the post-war order is
Only once a POD is decided can the rest of the world be developed.
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I have made a proposal for the POD before, but I guess I will write it down again, and if you like, we can have a poll on it.
My thoughts were that Germany backed off on its unrestricted submarine warfare, which keeps the United States out of the war. Then, France has a (German Backed) socialist revolution in about 1916-1917,and at the same time, German backed colonial rebellions succeed, causing the collapse of the western front. The eastern front progresses much like OTL, and the war ends in about November 1917, though an official treaty is not signed until 1920
The only reason I pushed the date back that far was so I could explain how Germany was able to project its power over Eastern Europe and half of Africa. The longer the war drags on, the weaker everyone is at the end, including GermanyI like the proposal, but I think the war would end quite a bit later. Spring/Summer 1919 maybe?
The only reason I pushed the date back that far was so I could explain how Germany was able to project its power over Eastern Europe and half of Africa. The longer the war drags on, the weaker everyone is at the end, including Germany
And what about an idea of list of German chancellors? I guess that the current ruling party will be NLP or Liberal.
Well... we do try to listen to each others' ideas more, but why do they also have to have some historical precedent. I think we should not be too strict in adhering to plausibility standards. Or should we?
What does that mean? Should we thus not adhere to the poll results?
This actually occurred to me, too. But the issue here is that two options were tied for second place in the first poll. Should I hold another runoff poll?
Red Japan with an according Red sphere in East Asia does indeed work with established canon. That is one of the things we are paying attention to.
I am counting German support, e.g. for the French revolutionaries etc., as part of the war here.
I already made such a list, and it is in the threadmarked German Politics post.
It hasn’t been discussed and made canon yet though,
It would have been a far better decision to reach decisions on Australia in a logical order, i.e.:
It’s a decision for everyone as to what to do with Australia, although I’d suggest not taking the results as gospel truth because of the inherent weakness in running a poll on assumed truth like “Australia is divided”, and running a runoff with three options.
- Is Australia divided?
- If so, what are the borders?
- What are the various regime types?
No, not necessarily. You just need to take into account that the votes for Red East Australia were a minority, and establish a consensus based on discussion and mutual agreement. You can have too many polls, you know.
on assumed truth like “Australia is divided”,
I personally think that AH is far more interesting when there are reasons for events occurring, rather than new regimes simply arising because it looks cool on a map. Not every single idea suggested has to be used.
Certainly a decision can be reached to be lax on plausibility, but no decision has yet been reached.
That doesn’t really count as part of the war. If inter-state hostilities ended and an armistice was signed in 1917, then the war ended in 1917. The US still has troops in Germany today. Should we therefore say WW2 is ongoing?
Those were more general criteria to be considered when making every decision. Established canon, however, is broader than just the region (i.e. would love their countries stage an intervention if heir key Pacific ally suddenly had a revolution out of nowhere?). This is especially important given that I have not seen any other established canon for East Asia.
In the 1960s, the Solidarity movement was formed, and began massive (peaceful) protests against the German troops stationed in Poland, and the monarchy in general. This coincided with the Bürgerrechtsbewegung (Civil Rights Movement) in Germany, which advocated, in part, for self determination and a withdrawal of German Troops from Poland.
In 1969, the German Chancellor announced the withdrawal of German forces from Poland. The Solidarity movement swept the Sejm, and called for a new Constitution to be ratified. This new Constitution was modeled of the American system, with a President being the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, a powerful Sejm, and a Supreme Court. This meant that the King, and the Royal Courts would be dismantled. In 1971, the Constitution was ratified, and the last king of Poland, Boleslaw Von Wurttemburg, abdicated on the 1st of September.
I think that makes sense. I'm still on the fence about Baltoslavia though.Let's move the rise of Solidarność to the later 1960s, as then we can have a big overlap between Bürgerrechtsbewegung and the 73er-Bewegung I mentioned in the German parties post.
And announcing the withdrawal from Poland could be the first move of Adolf Hauswald after he takes office as Chancellor of Germany. Would that be okay?
Also, the polls have not yet decided on the issue of constitutional monarchy or Republic. However, I do like your ideas and your map a lot! Thanks for them! @Jan Olbracht and @Augenis - how do you like it, mostly @Jan Olbracht as a Pole? Maybe you could propose Polish terms etc. to incorporate?
And we should come to a consensus on the borders of Poland. I actually like the borders you made without the bit that you designated as "annexed in 1947". I would give that to Baltoslavia.
I think that makes sense. I'm still on the fence about Baltoslavia though.
Thanks! Should I redo the election map with those borders?I like this modern Poland far better, @mikroraptor !
Thanks! Should I redo the election map with those borders?