ST15RM
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i'm okay with you retconning ireland's history, i will admit i never really thought of ireland too much.
The Yankee Dominion: A Map and World Building Project
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I put Ireland like that for the time being because I completely glossed over it and I was more concerned with Germany, if we want to suddenly make ireland part of the uk we can do that, I think its a sensible idea.
Nazi Space Spy
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Gian made a map project with that very premise. The map was finished but it never got off the runway.
Personally I think the United Kingdom retaining Ireland would be cool.
My idea was retention but not-retention, a super-devolved state that acts on its own in almost every non-foreign field, and obviously a few foreign ones like consulates, sports teams, observer statuses, etc. And if Ulster/Protestant northen regions are devolved under that devolved govt...then things get interesting. Politcs in Ireland only really started seriously polarizing because of Westministers failure to acknowledge their rights to home rule, and of course the War. Change both those things (even though the tacit-racism is still going to be there in the early 20th century), you will probably get a different outcome.
For example, it starts as the Island getting full rule after whenever the lords power is reduced in TTL. When the protestants and their Tory allies gain power though they gerrymander the north into a protestant-majority enclave that can have their own say and govern in ways that inhibit the catholics. So as powers continue to devolve over the century, you probably end up with diplomatic and perhaps even paramilitary standoffs between the two, especially when the Catholics in the enclave begin gaining real numbers. So even if the region is presently calm, its always a constant headache for London keeping tghe south from trying to usurp rights/catholic territory from the north, and the north from declaring itself a separate devolved govt on the isles, similar to scotland/wales(?).
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I've been following this TL for a while and I have been really enjoying reading it. If I could, I would like to put forth a suggestion for political parties of my home state of North Carolina in this TL.
Political Parties of North Carolina
Federalist Party: The province's mainstream conservative party, the Federalists have controlled North Carolina's legislature for much of the province's history. Their grip on their voter base has noticeably loosened in recent decades due to the growth of the Tar Heel Party. Currently led by Tim Moore
Liberal Party: Socially liberal and economically moderate, the Liberal Party really surged in popularity in the 60s and 70s, giving North Carolina a reputation as a bastion of progressivism in the conservative Southeast. The party has a racially diverse base consisting of African American, Indigenous, and White voters. Currently led by Roy Cooper.
Labor Party: A more moderate affiliate of the national Labor Party, the Labor Party of North Carolina has seen great growth in recent years among urban voters in cities like Raleigh and Charlotte, and among young college students in towns like Chapel Hill. Currently led by Elizabeth Crudup.
Tar Heel Party: The province's national conservative party, the Tar Heel Party split off from the Federalist Party in the 1990s and have slowly been taking Federalist voters ever since. Their base consists mainly of religious evangelicals and rural conservatives. Currently led by Dan Forrest.
Dogwood Party: North Carolina's progressive conservative/environmentalist party. The Dogwood Party was formed from a merger of the state's Progressive and Green Parties in the early 2000s. Having remained a small party for much of its history, the Dogwoods have slowly been gaining support among college students and other environmentalists. Currently led by Jan Martell.
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Removed flag proposal as that is already settled.
Political Parties of North Carolina
Federalist Party: The province's mainstream conservative party, the Federalists have controlled North Carolina's legislature for much of the province's history. Their grip on their voter base has noticeably loosened in recent decades due to the growth of the Tar Heel Party. Currently led by Tim Moore
Liberal Party: Socially liberal and economically moderate, the Liberal Party really surged in popularity in the 60s and 70s, giving North Carolina a reputation as a bastion of progressivism in the conservative Southeast. The party has a racially diverse base consisting of African American, Indigenous, and White voters. Currently led by Roy Cooper.
Labor Party: A more moderate affiliate of the national Labor Party, the Labor Party of North Carolina has seen great growth in recent years among urban voters in cities like Raleigh and Charlotte, and among young college students in towns like Chapel Hill. Currently led by Elizabeth Crudup.
Tar Heel Party: The province's national conservative party, the Tar Heel Party split off from the Federalist Party in the 1990s and have slowly been taking Federalist voters ever since. Their base consists mainly of religious evangelicals and rural conservatives. Currently led by Dan Forrest.
Dogwood Party: North Carolina's progressive conservative/environmentalist party. The Dogwood Party was formed from a merger of the state's Progressive and Green Parties in the early 2000s. Having remained a small party for much of its history, the Dogwoods have slowly been gaining support among college students and other environmentalists. Currently led by Jan Martell.
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Removed flag proposal as that is already settled.
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ST15RM
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cool flag but we already decided all the flags. we'll definitely keep your party ideas.I've been following this TL for a while and I have been really enjoying reading it. If I could, I would like to put forth a suggestion for political parties of my home state of North Carolina in this TL.
Political Parties of North Carolina
Federalist Party: The province's mainstream conservative party, the Federalists have controlled North Carolina's legislature for much of the province's history. Their grip on their voter base has noticeably loosened in recent decades due to the growth of the Tar Heel Party. Currently led by Tim Moore
Liberal Party: Socially liberal and economically moderate, the Liberal Party really surged in popularity in the 60s and 70s, giving North Carolina a reputation as a bastion of progressivism in the conservative Southeast. The party has a racially diverse base consisting of African American, Indigenous, and White voters. Currently led by Roy Cooper.
Labor Party: A more moderate affiliate of the national Labor Party, the Labor Party of North Carolina has seen great growth in recent years among urban voters in cities like Raleigh and Charlotte, and among young college students in towns like Chapel Hill. Currently led by Elizabeth Crudup.
Tar Heel Party: The province's national conservative party, the Tar Heel Party split off from the Federalist Party in the 1990s and have slowly been taking Federalist voters ever since. Their base consists mainly of religious evangelicals and rural conservatives. Currently led by Dan Forrest.
Dogwood Party: North Carolina's progressive conservative/environmentalist party. The Dogwood Party was formed from a merger of the state's Progressive and Green Parties in the early 2000s. Having remained a small party for much of its history, the Dogwoods have slowly been gaining support among college students and other environmentalists. Currently led by Jan Martell.
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I would also like to propose this as North Carolina's flag. Credit to /u/doncosaco from /r/vexillology.
ST15RM
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i don't really buy that idea. we have had india be a constitutional democratic monarchy, not a military dictatorship.
@Oryxslayer we did establish that, right?
Heres what im basing it off...
India is a Democractic Progressive country in the present but the Royalists essentially had a Dictatorship, knowing Powell this could be done by disenfranchisement of Native Indians, This wont be taken well from them and a political revolution in India would see Powell found and executed.
Brief synopsis on India lore: UK tries to impose a white monarch of the the royal house following the lessons they learned from America. Indians protest, launch a insurrection, and put a prince (I think we said Nizam of Hyderabad) on the throne. He privately gives OKs to the British troops preparing for a reaction that he won't change dominion policy in important fronts to the UK, stabilizing the 'glorious restoration.' This rebel coalition quickly breaks down along multitude of divides that naturally exist across the continent, largest fault-line being the Socialist INC types in the weak Indian parliament and the more conservative monarchy. Monarch self-coups the govt and puts in place a dictatorship for his lifetime, while taking India 'independent' - not fully of course since a bunch of his power comes from Western aid and soft power to keep fighting the Socialists in the countryside. Things change a bit after his death, but like always, dictatorships take while to fall. India also fully takes the place of the East Asian Industry of OTL, the dictatorship basically emphasizes modernization and market driven prosperity to reinforce its stability. So yeah, having Powell be one of the lackeys/movers and shakers of this regime is totally in keeping with the established lore.
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So instead of King Edward and Queen Elizabeth we might have something like the Earl Mountbatten (Cant find any viable options from the house of Windsor).Powell can be installed as the Prime Minister however he is barely elected, Anglo Indians may be able to vote up to 15 times to overpower native indians and if they refuse to vote Royalist their vote is switched in secret. A national crisis will allow Powell to go full Dictator and ban all other parties. Earl Mountbatten is actually assassinated at 79 OTL so he might hold out another 3 years for arguments sake and die in 1982, His eldest daughter becomes Empress of India and India collapses upon itself in the next couple of years. The Royalists are removed from power and executed.
Id also like to elaborate on why ive skipped straight from Edward to Elizabeth on the list of Monarchs. I hate fictional Characters however we can still have Charlotte on the throne but I dissagree with her living longer and producing many heirs.
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[edit:] Okay so once again if your reading this I changed my mind, there is no way the British Royal family sould stay the same with the departure of the King to the Americas, so I am going to make a new list
List of British monarchs:
[1762-1820] George IV (1785-1820)
[1796- 1874] Charlotte (1820-1874)
[1820-1894] Agustus (1874-1894)
[1853-1908] George V (1894-1908)
[1880-1962] Alice I (1908-1962)
[1908-1964] Rose (1962-1964)
[1930-2014] Willam V (1964-1984)
[1958-2012] James II (1984-2012)
[1990-Present] Alice II (2012-Present)
heirs:
1 June, Princess Royal [2015-
2 Princess Natasha [2018-
3 Margaret, Dutchess of Kent [1960-
4 George, Duke of York [1986-
5 Philip, Duke of Windsor [1989-
6 Prince Fredrick [1963-
7 Ryleigh, Dutchess of Donegal [1992-
8 Edward, Duke of Cambridge [1934-
9 Princess Mary [1963-
10 Princess Elizabeth [1967-
The line of succession was reformed to remove male Primogeniture in the 1950s just before the birth of William V's Children
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[edit:] Okay so once again if your reading this I changed my mind, there is no way the British Royal family sould stay the same with the departure of the King to the Americas, so I am going to make a new list
List of British monarchs:
[1762-1820] George IV (1785-1820)
[1796- 1874] Charlotte (1820-1874)
[1820-1894] Agustus (1874-1894)
[1853-1908] George V (1894-1908)
[1880-1962] Alice I (1908-1962)
[1908-1964] Rose (1962-1964)
[1930-2014] Willam V (1964-1984)
[1958-2012] James II (1984-2012)
[1990-Present] Alice II (2012-Present)
heirs:
1 June, Princess Royal [2015-
2 Princess Natasha [2018-
3 Margaret, Dutchess of Kent [1960-
4 George, Duke of York [1986-
5 Philip, Duke of Windsor [1989-
6 Prince Fredrick [1963-
7 Ryleigh, Dutchess of Donegal [1992-
8 Edward, Duke of Cambridge [1934-
9 Princess Mary [1963-
10 Princess Elizabeth [1967-
The line of succession was reformed to remove male Primogeniture in the 1950s just before the birth of William V's Children
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Yeah basically the royalists where overthrown and executed and India and the UK had horrible relations until the 90's as a result. Though they where overthrown in the early 70's (they where long gone by the 80's).
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Would be about right (other than him probably being executed rather than assassinated, though i guess that makes sense since it would lead to said coup though).