The Yankee Dominion: A Map and World Building Project

ST15RM

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Sorry, what is the problem here? I don't want to take over anything, and I especially don't want to retcon anything that Oryxslayer has established in his world-building history posts. Sorry if you really thought that I planned something like that.

We can wait, but I do want to say that I want to cooperate and not control. I can read through all the history posts (especially what they say about Germany etc.), but - as you said - they only establish things until the 1920s.

Would it be okay if I or we together (@Oryxslayer , @Riley Uhr , @ST15RM , et al.) took this further?
dude. just drop the germany stuff and wait for oryxslayer
 
Sorry, what is the problem here? I don't want to take over anything, and I especially don't want to retcon anything that Oryxslayer has established in his world-building history posts. Sorry if you really thought that I planned something like that.

We can wait, but I do want to say that I want to cooperate and not control. I can read through all the history posts (especially what they say about Germany etc.), but - as you said - they only establish things until the 1920s.

Would it be okay if I or we together (@Oryxslayer , @Riley Uhr , @ST15RM , et al.) took this further?

You're acting like the Israel guy from another timeline/project on this board. Please chill out, dude. The mods don't like drama here. No need for it to come to that.
 
Notes on Mexico, Germany
Very, very helpful. I saw that map already.

But still I have some questions:

1. Did Mexico remain like that? Is Mexico democratic?

2. Did Germany retain these colonies (basically, it is Mittelafrika)? If not - what I think is more plausible - how did they fare?

3. Is there any mention of Austrian or Czech separatism/secessionism? Have these areas seceded? Should that not be the case, shouldn't we (@Riley Uhr ) consider adding an Austrian and a Czech nationalist/separatist party?

Okay, So I'll just start with these three questions, because they are arguable good starting points for the world: Germany is arguably the single greatest geopolitical topic besides the UK for this thread, Mexico is important for local foreign relations, and lets throw the UK onto this pile for good measure since that's the Dominions single most valuble ally. Frankly, i think its good to have a reminder of what is already enshrined in the past lore so as to not counteract it.

1: Mexico. Most of the Mexico lore can be found in this thread. The general gist is that Mexico is a unwieldy mass of a state that started unified. However, the speculation of worldwide powers, the gradual decent into authoritarianism, and the entrapment between both the rising Colombia and the Dominion meant something was going to give way. it was Mexico's poor luck that this all happened during the beginning of the Great War, and the powers all backed sides in the conflict, and then encouraged their sides to fortify and hunker down as the world got multipolar. Mexico in general became very left leaning, with socialist types seizing the center sending the regional caudillos off. the Northerners in broad strokes 'democratic' states as far as your normal latin american nation can be democratic, where as mexico is transformed from Authoritarian Socialist/communist to Authoritarian similar to post-communist regimes. Also, it is important to remember that present Mexico had to reconquer some of the territory she holds, she is a very jingoistic state that still has a subculture that would love to reunite the north, even as she sends embassies to these accepted members of the global order.

2: Germany. This is not your normal Greater Germany, and in fact it has very little to do with Kaiserreich. Various bits of German Lore are scattered throughout the 19th century timelines from way long ago (links chronologically Here, Here, and Here), but the general divergence like everything in Europe begins in the 1848 revolutions period. The two big divergences concerning Germany are that Russia has a greater liberal presence and cannot intervene in Hungary following the liberal revolutions. Hungary wins her war of independence with Russia thanks to outside aid, and Austria ends up kneecapped. This begins the rapprochement of Austria as she now turns towards her last bastions of influence - Southern Germany. The unification of germany also goes in a much different direction than OTL, with a Rhine crisis seeing france banned from German politics and no longer serving as the great demon for the kaiser. The German Brothers war of 1864-67 is a bloody affair similar to the US civil war with Austria and South Germany fighting Northern Germany over who will eventually untie the whole. Berlin wins, but not after getting far more bloodied than OTL. Germany goes against Russia instead of France because Russia was austrias big foe, and a war to heal the bonds would be better to the east. This gives germany the baltic coast. There is a Great War, and Germany wins, but as usual the terms are far worse for Russia (who adopted nationalist liberals following the german war) than France. Then there is the mutlipolar cold war and we have a few locked in German interests around the globe. In General though, one should probably think of German politics as far more 'TriParti' than OTL, kinda similar to Austria. There are the SocDems (whomever we name them) with their base in the rhine, the Catholic conservatives in the South, and Protestant Reactionary/Junker types in the east, and they would be surrounded by a few minors as usual.

3: UK. We actually have not talked that much about the UK, for all its importance here. You can find the UK's history in the 19th century in the German links. This big POD for UK politics is though that she stays out entirely from the great war, so the Liberal party never has to go through that process of promising to stay out of war but then enter anyway. So the Liberal party never dies, and instead reforms itself to fit the rising demands of Labour. This isn't like the lib Dems are the largest party, the Liberal ticket and their allies are just a 'different' type of OTL Labour party these day, with less ties to things like the TUC. One thign that I think needs to be discussed is the UK's national psyche that we havn't really talked about before. Presently in OTL, the UK is caught in a crisis where she doesn't know whether to look to Europe or America as her benefactor in the national version of retirement. In TTL, there is no such discussion: the UK is now second dog to her BFF ally across the pond, who has risen far above anything that the Island ever could hope to achieve. perhaps the UK would retain pride through Commonwealth style politics: more prominent commonwealth games and events, a free trade zone with other commonwealth zones (and perhaps free movement considering the deeper ties between the Anglo states), and maybe some sort of commonwealth forum like a mini-UN.
 
@Oryxslayer How about after the GreatWar Germany sets up a military alliance such as Mittleuropa that is loyal to them during this somewhat cold war? This may develop into an economic alliance similar to an early EU after the Cold War equivalent kinda descalates.
 
@Oryxslayer How about after the GreatWar Germany sets up a military alliance such as Mittleuropa that is loyal to them during this somewhat cold war? This may develop into an economic alliance similar to an early EU after the Cold War equivalent kinda descalates.

I think we had something like this with a Sphere of Influence/Puppet style map, a while back - might want to check the logs. It was someone elses work though so i don't immediately know the location. If we don't have it, it seems like the natural evolution of German Eastern Europe intervention and desires to contain russia/italy.
 
I think we had something like this with a Sphere of Influence/Puppet style map, a while back - might want to check the logs. it was someone elses work though so i don't immediately know the location.
I dont remember seing that at all

Edit: Also would you like to determine your own german party system? If so ill rid of my own one.
 
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World Map (Present Day)
I tried filing out a little more of the coloured world map
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(I thought that the large baltic state was Germany is that the case)
 
^^^So yeah, what does everyone think of this compromise list? I personally think it's good, but I want a consensus from all the others and won't post it to the main thread until we reach an agreement. Also, I hate to nitpick (I really do) but I noticed the Parliament infonox displays the name of the UK at the top @Riley Uhr. It's obviously a microscopic mistake so you don't need to rush to fix that, just wanted to point it out. Lastly. does the new title work for the new thread? Seeing as how the American monarchy starts with OTL William IV of the UK, the royal and diplomatic ties to Britain are going to be tight. If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to give them, but I'm happy with the title as is. I just don't want to get ahead of everyone.
@ElectricSheepNo54 Did the Parliament Infobox not Me
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I dont remember seing that at all

Edit: Also would you like to determine your own german party system? If so ill rid of my own one.

Eh you can just adjust it, Jamaica or the equivalent of Black-Brown(Authoritarian Right)-Green still works after all. I think this its important to think about the traditional triparti alignment of german politics and why it fell in OTL, so that things all make sense in TTL. When German elections actually mattered in the 19th/20th centuries, that was the general system. Three Germanies were in one: the working class side in Saxony/Rhine/cities, the Catholic side in the south and parts of the rhine, and the protestant conservative side in the eastern rurals and what was once prussia. One Competing in the other two was certainly not impossible and needed to occur for victory, it just was a slog when compared to the ease of your base. So what caused this system to fall? Well after the Nazis, the ultimate expression of Protestant Authoritarian Tendencies came to power, there were no more elections. And the first election in the post-war era featured a very different Germany. The Protestant authoritarian political track was now disavowed, the heartlands of Junker conservatism now lay in Poland/USSR (transforming the residents into Displaced people with new, more urgent policies to demand form the germanies), the east would separate taking a good number of rural conservatives with them, and the new West German state's catholic share of the population was now more prominent than ever without the eastern lands. The CDU was more or less formed to bridge the gap between the Catholic and Protestant strains of Conservatism, all while keeping the right united against Fascist interlopers. There is one line of thought that even sees AfD and Linke as heirs to this Eastern Authoritarian tradition in weird ways, since both of their bases are more or less in the Ostaligic former East Germany,

Our Germany should therefore would feature an even more prominent version of the triparti. The east is there and strong as ever. But with austria inside germany, there are now far more rural catholics, enough so that the one could get a Catholic Christian Democrat party that can survive on its own. And of course the labour factions remain strong as ever with Vienna and Prague inside. I use present austrian politics as an example because they have a successful triparti system, ven though the third leg of FPO isn't like the one in TTL. When understanding the differences between Christian democratic styles of conservatism and Protestant German Conservatism, its probably best to think about US/Canada/UK Right wing parties vs German/Austrian/Dutch historical Right. The Protestant Right are far more likely to place trust in leaders (AKA Kaiser), and more schooled in the strain of Reaction, whereas the ChrisDems are happy to work with Labor to reform/build/adjust welfare to meet the standards set forward in their founding documents. These people are not just flag waving fascists.

I assumed it wasn't, and it was created as a client state or something.

Unless the lore changed in my absence, Germany Annexed the Baltic coast. It was TTL's version of A-L, demanded after the defeat of russia in the 19th century and hallmarking the formation of Germany. Mind you, before the soviets, this region had a significant German minority, legacy residents of the Teutonic states, Kurland, and the local aristocracy. Today in TTL it would probably be a hyperpolarized region, with only two/three camps capable of winning local/national elections: the Protestant Authoritarians who want to keep the region german at all costs, and the Latvian/Estonians who want more rights/independence. Think Catalonia.
 
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For whatever it's worth, I want to make a quick note of the media in TTL. These two have been established in the other thread, and I believe a Daily Show infobox was made a few pages back, so that also confirms we have Comedy Central or some variation of it. I'll go and check.

ABC News: State run, similar to the BBC.
Sun News: Think Fox News, but more aligned with the Coalition than Trump obviously.
 
Yeah I have used ABC more than a few times. Also some version of Cook Political, Sabato's Crystal Ball, and a Not-538/338 (Canada) all I believe exist through my By-election posts.
 

ST15RM

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For whatever it's worth, I want to make a quick note of the media in TTL. These two have been established in the other thread, and I believe a Daily Show infobox was made a few pages back, so that also confirms we have Comedy Central or some variation of it. I'll go and check.

ABC News: State run, similar to the BBC.
Sun News: Think Fox News, but more aligned with the Coalition than Trump obviously.
i know you used the otl abc logo, but actually i thought that we decided on using the otl cbc logo
 
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