Map Thread XIX
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Very good, some ideas are already percolating in my head. This will make a fine addition to my collection.
That valley between South America and Africa is intriguing. As well as that titanic southern ocean in the bottom left, and the ice-cap extending down to North America.
The whole thing made me think - 'Warhammer in 1888 (for the imperialism angle) or 1944 (for the world war angle)' as a setting.
In this universe the continent of North America is home to a myriad of nations which oftentimes do speak different languages. The UAR is primarily English, Colorado speaks Spanish (as does the rest of Central America), Louisiana is French, there's also Russian and Danish holdings.
Random bit of silly inspired by this thread: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ns-mergers-we-would-have-liked-to-see.469462/
Sorry, everytime I see some sort of "prehistoric/antedeluvian fantasy", which I really like, Riddle of steel is starting playing in my head
Map I just finished. I'm not an expert on German politics leading up to the rise of the Nazis, granted. So the plausibility of this scenario may not be too high.
The POD is that the SPD and KPD manage to form a coalition ahead of the November 1932 elections. The 'Workers' Front' (Arbeitersfront, AF) wins big at the polls, but Hindenburg naturally refuses to bring them into government. Horrified by what looks to be the impending bolshevization of the country, he gives his blessing to Defense Minister von Schleicher's plan to declare martial law, arrest communist and social democratic ringleaders, and do away with the Republic once and for all. To this end, the help of the Nazis' SA is enlisted (though reluctantly, as Hitler partly blames the conservatives for the Nazis' great defeat at the polls).
On December 15th, 1932, the Reichswehr alongside Nazi stormtroopers moves into Berlin, Munich, Hamburg, Cologne, and every other German urban center, with the intention of rounding up the AF leadership. The SPD and KPD deputies are not particularly taken by surprise, and put out the call to their militants to resist 'black reaction'. What ensues is a week of brutal street-fighting in nearly every city of Germany, as Red Front Fighters and Reichsbanner man clash with stormtroopers and regular soldiers.
A strong working-class base and the defection of many sympathetic enlisted men sees the coup defeated in Berlin, Hamburg, most of the Rhineland, and southern Prussia. Elswhere, the putschists manage to establish control.
Ernst Thälmann stands in the Reichstag, cleared of rightist deputies, and declares that now there exists a state of 'war to the death, between the toiling people and the craven reactionaries'.
Hindenburg and most of his cabinet (with the notable exception of von Schleicher, who manages to slip away to Bavaria) are 'arrested' by communist militants. Thälmann is hastily made Chancellor and interim President, at least until the 'crisis' is over.
In the rebel territories, a rival government with its seat in Munich is set up under Alfred Hugenberg, who comes under the increasing influence of Adolf Hitler and his Nazis (though he believes the case to be the opposite). This new government bears no trappings of the hated Weimar system, with Hugenberg being installed as 'Leader', and vested with almost unlimited powers in the 'interest of the German people'. However, he is in practice heavily restricted by the coterie of old-guard generals, aristocrats, and businessmen surrounding him. And not in the least by the Nazis' still massive popular movement, though many of their strong-holds are currently held by government forces.
The two sides dig in, and prepare for war.
Map I just finished. I'm not an expert on German politics leading up to the rise of the Nazis, granted. So the plausibility of this scenario may not be too high.
The POD is that the SPD and KPD manage to form a coalition ahead of the November 1932 elections. The 'Workers' Front' (Arbeitersfront, AF) wins big at the polls, but Hindenburg naturally refuses to bring them into government. Horrified by what looks to be the impending bolshevization of the country, he gives his blessing to Defense Minister von Schleicher's plan to declare martial law, arrest communist and social democratic ringleaders, and do away with the Republic once and for all. To this end, the help of the Nazis' SA is enlisted (though reluctantly, as Hitler partly blames the conservatives for the Nazis' great defeat at the polls).
On December 15th, 1932, the Reichswehr alongside Nazi stormtroopers moves into Berlin, Munich, Hamburg, Cologne, and every other German urban center, with the intention of rounding up the AF leadership. The SPD and KPD deputies are not particularly taken by surprise, and put out the call to their militants to resist 'black reaction'. What ensues is a week of brutal street-fighting in nearly every city of Germany, as Red Front Fighters and Reichsbanner man clash with stormtroopers and regular soldiers.
A strong working-class base and the defection of many sympathetic enlisted men sees the coup defeated in Berlin, Hamburg, most of the Rhineland, and southern Prussia. Elswhere, the putschists manage to establish control.
Ernst Thälmann stands in the Reichstag, cleared of rightist deputies, and declares that now there exists a state of 'war to the death, between the toiling people and the craven reactionaries'.
Hindenburg and most of his cabinet (with the notable exception of von Schleicher, who manages to slip away to Bavaria) are 'arrested' by communist militants. Thälmann is hastily made Chancellor and interim President, at least until the 'crisis' is over.
In the rebel territories, a rival government with its seat in Munich is set up under Alfred Hugenberg, who comes under the increasing influence of Adolf Hitler and his Nazis (though he believes the case to be the opposite). This new government bears no trappings of the hated Weimar system, with Hugenberg being installed as 'Leader', and vested with almost unlimited powers in the 'interest of the German people'. However, he is in practice heavily restricted by the coterie of old-guard generals, aristocrats, and businessmen surrounding him. And not in the least by the Nazis' still massive popular movement, though many of their strong-holds are currently held by government forces.
The two sides dig in, and prepare for war.
Love the map! I like this scenario and I’ve made a map or two of it myself, but as far as plausibility goes the KPD and Left coalition probably couldn’t field a revolutionary force sufficient to establish mass military support in 1932 - the KPD and SPD would never form a coalition after the events of 1918-1919. It was in the KPD programme that the SPD were “social fascists” who collaborated with reactionaries and were just as bad as Hitler. This led to a serious split among the German left and became a major hindrance to electoral victories during the Weimar period. If you want either/both a SPD+KPD Einheitsfront and a serious chance of establishing a Red Germany, it needs to happen in and around 1918-1919 or in the first years of 1920. Anything after that and the revolutionary left is still a serious contender but it’s fractured and the forces of police and state are entrenched enough to crush a possible workers revolution on the streets before it can gain control of a city like Berlin.
I decided to give another shot at my "Reverse US Civil War" Timeline. The Great War happened between 1896 and 1899 (there's an error in the notes that says it started in 1893, that's wrong), resulting in an Alliance victory, except for the Americas, in which the US invaded the FS, forcing them into the war, but it backfired and the US was defeated and thrown into a really nasty civil war. The map shows the state of the world in the year 1929.
The swift invasion by the People's Army has shattered the ROK Armed Forces into disarray, marching through the city after city without facing fierce resistance. The United Nations Command, despite their massive firepower, has failed to recuperate their losses in a significant manner; able to reclaim some of the coastal cities from the south but unable to reclaim back the lands after a failed counterattack.
After years of skirmishes and air raids, an armistice was ratified in 1954 and eventually progressed to a peace deal in 1956. The gains made by the communist are recognized as their own while acknowledging the sovereignty of the remaining territories of the republic. Since then, the two remained in an uneasy coexistence and they begin to establish a robust economic relation.
The PDRK has become the most militarized society on earth, with an ideology that synthesizes the Marxist-Leninist ideologies with a militaristic flair. They eventually reformed its economic system to encourage economic development, albeit still retaining their protectionist policy. Most of the companies are state-owned, with their initiative directly decided by the executive power. Their abundant supply of minerals has made them economically powerful, albeit most of them are spent on the integrity of their military and totalitarian-esque infrastructure.
Life in the People's Republic was simple and grey, with nothing but archaic circuses and military parades to amuse them. People are fed themselves with coupons provided by the governments but the diversity of their dietary are few due to their policy of quasi-autarky.
The Republic of Korea, with the massive port of Pusan and smart allocation of resources, has developed the rural landscapes of the coast into a massive megalopolis - an endless stream of skyscrapers illuminated with a bluish glow. Described as a paradise by westerners, many have migrated to the city and provide their talents for the benefit of the republic, turning the once monolithic country into a diverse community. Despite being economically prosperous, the signs of inequality have risen from its deep underbelly, with many living under squalor.
As time passes, the republic eventually recognized the futility of uniting with their northern neighbors and eventually developed their own identity. Despite this, they were able to coexist in peace, forming economic and diplomatic relations in end.
After years of skirmishes and air raids, an armistice was ratified in 1954 and eventually progressed to a peace deal in 1956. The gains made by the communist are recognized as their own while acknowledging the sovereignty of the remaining territories of the republic. Since then, the two remained in an uneasy coexistence and they begin to establish a robust economic relation.
The PDRK has become the most militarized society on earth, with an ideology that synthesizes the Marxist-Leninist ideologies with a militaristic flair. They eventually reformed its economic system to encourage economic development, albeit still retaining their protectionist policy. Most of the companies are state-owned, with their initiative directly decided by the executive power. Their abundant supply of minerals has made them economically powerful, albeit most of them are spent on the integrity of their military and totalitarian-esque infrastructure.
Life in the People's Republic was simple and grey, with nothing but archaic circuses and military parades to amuse them. People are fed themselves with coupons provided by the governments but the diversity of their dietary are few due to their policy of quasi-autarky.
The Republic of Korea, with the massive port of Pusan and smart allocation of resources, has developed the rural landscapes of the coast into a massive megalopolis - an endless stream of skyscrapers illuminated with a bluish glow. Described as a paradise by westerners, many have migrated to the city and provide their talents for the benefit of the republic, turning the once monolithic country into a diverse community. Despite being economically prosperous, the signs of inequality have risen from its deep underbelly, with many living under squalor.
As time passes, the republic eventually recognized the futility of uniting with their northern neighbors and eventually developed their own identity. Despite this, they were able to coexist in peace, forming economic and diplomatic relations in end.
Here's an alternate link for the sake of it: [DeviantArt]|[r/ImaginaryMap]
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One unfortunately placed typhoon could wipe out the ROK
As always an excellent map! Would you say the DPRK is a better place to live in this scenario? It sounds like it’s a bit more open to the world ITTL.A Russwank map:
Basically, the 1905 Russian Revolution lasts longer and gets further. It is eventually crushed, conveniently leading to the deaths of most of the leaders of Russia's communist movement, but it also shocks the Tsar into rapidly modernising Russia's infrastructure. As a result, Russia is able to mobilize more quickly when ATL WW1 rolls around and ends up annexing border territories from Germany and Austria-Hungary (including Galicia and most of East Prussia). Russia's demands also include the creation of a Greater Serbian Empire, and carving off Transylvania as a Russian pupper state. In the following decade, Russia takes advantage of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire to get itself more satellite states, Russia and Britain carve off bits of Persia for their own empires, although the Kingdom of Persia remains independent, two more Russo-Japanese Wars occur (which end in Russia annexing most of Japan's overseas territories and Japan itself becoming a Russian puppet). After that, there's a Scramble For China in which France, Britain, and Russia, divide China between themselves. Germany goes socialist and is soon invaded by Russia and divided into Prussia, Swabia, Bavaria, and Saxony (the Rhineland was already a separate buffer state controlled by France, but is later re-annexed by Russian-controlled Prussia). Russia buys back Alaska, and during the mid-21st Century, Russia goes to war with Britain while allied with France, America, Italy, and the Arab Republic; then with France while allied with Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Arab Republic, Spain, America, and Portugal - in both cases, over colonial holdings. America itself does something similar, declaring war on the Netherlands over Indonesia and the Caribbean. The late 20th Century was technically a time of decolonization, but Russia not only held on to all of its empire, with neocolonialism Russia has actually been able to extend its influence even further.
This timeline's Russia has an extremely totalitarian government, and has spent decades repressing or destroying non-Russian cultures within its borders. This is also why there have been several attempted uprisings, which Russia ruthlessly destroyed.
Basically, the 1905 Russian Revolution lasts longer and gets further. It is eventually crushed, conveniently leading to the deaths of most of the leaders of Russia's communist movement, but it also shocks the Tsar into rapidly modernising Russia's infrastructure. As a result, Russia is able to mobilize more quickly when ATL WW1 rolls around and ends up annexing border territories from Germany and Austria-Hungary (including Galicia and most of East Prussia). Russia's demands also include the creation of a Greater Serbian Empire, and carving off Transylvania as a Russian pupper state. In the following decade, Russia takes advantage of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire to get itself more satellite states, Russia and Britain carve off bits of Persia for their own empires, although the Kingdom of Persia remains independent, two more Russo-Japanese Wars occur (which end in Russia annexing most of Japan's overseas territories and Japan itself becoming a Russian puppet). After that, there's a Scramble For China in which France, Britain, and Russia, divide China between themselves. Germany goes socialist and is soon invaded by Russia and divided into Prussia, Swabia, Bavaria, and Saxony (the Rhineland was already a separate buffer state controlled by France, but is later re-annexed by Russian-controlled Prussia). Russia buys back Alaska, and during the mid-21st Century, Russia goes to war with Britain while allied with France, America, Italy, and the Arab Republic; then with France while allied with Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Arab Republic, Spain, America, and Portugal - in both cases, over colonial holdings. America itself does something similar, declaring war on the Netherlands over Indonesia and the Caribbean. The late 20th Century was technically a time of decolonization, but Russia not only held on to all of its empire, with neocolonialism Russia has actually been able to extend its influence even further.
This timeline's Russia has an extremely totalitarian government, and has spent decades repressing or destroying non-Russian cultures within its borders. This is also why there have been several attempted uprisings, which Russia ruthlessly destroyed.
One unfortunately placed typhoon could wipe out the ROK
Depends, life it relatively stable in PDRK albeit boring. As long as you're loyal, they'll never see you as an enemy of the state.
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The swift invasion by the People's Army has shattered the ROK Armed Forces into disarray, marching through the city after city without facing fierce resistance. The United Nations Command, despite their massive firepower, has failed to recuperate their losses in a significant manner; able to reclaim some of the coastal cities from the south but unable to reclaim back the lands after a failed counterattack.
After years of skirmishes and air raids, an armistice was ratified in 1954 and eventually progressed to a peace deal in 1956. The gains made by the communist are recognized as their own while acknowledging the sovereignty of the remaining territories of the republic. Since then, the two remained in an uneasy coexistence and they begin to establish a robust economic relation.
The PDRK has become the most militarized society on earth, with an ideology that synthesizes the Marxist-Leninist ideologies with a militaristic flair. They eventually reformed its economic system to encourage economic development, albeit still retaining their protectionist policy. Most of the companies are state-owned, with their initiative directly decided by the executive power. Their abundant supply of minerals has made them economically powerful, albeit most of them are spent on the integrity of their military and totalitarian-esque infrastructure.
Life in the People's Republic was simple and grey, with nothing but archaic circuses and military parades to amuse them. People are fed themselves with coupons provided by the governments but the diversity of their dietary are few due to their policy of quasi-autarky.
The Republic of Korea, with the massive port of Pusan and smart allocation of resources, has developed the rural landscapes of the coast into a massive megalopolis - an endless stream of skyscrapers illuminated with a bluish glow. Described as a paradise by westerners, many have migrated to the city and provide their talents for the benefit of the republic, turning the once monolithic country into a diverse community. Despite being economically prosperous, the signs of inequality have risen from its deep underbelly, with many living under squalor.
As time passes, the republic eventually recognized the futility of uniting with their northern neighbors and eventually developed their own identity. Despite this, they were able to coexist in peace, forming economic and diplomatic relations in end.
Here's an alternate link for the sake of it: [DeviantArt]|[r/ImaginaryMap]
One unfortunately placed typhoon could wipe out the ROK
I find it hard to say TTL DPRK a better place to live in. It's not OTL, but still said to be most militarized society on earth and life is simple and grey, with nothing but archaic circuses and military parades to amuse them.
Does the Kim rules the DPRK?
By better, I didn’t mean good in any sense of the word - it just seems that it has reformed its economy a bit to be stronger, it has slightly better relations with the ROK, etc. Better in the North Korean sense is still pretty horrible by the metrics of the rest of the world.
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