This. There's a reason I never played Britain in Vanilla. Having to manage a global empire (and it's crap divisions) is so annoying. I like to focus on one theater of war. And having limited resources makes the entire playthrough more immersive. If I want tanks I have to work for them.
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Not completely off topic, this is why I always hated Britain games in Victoria 2 as well.
There's not too much to manage, but you'll easily spend the first 15 minutes of the game paused and setting everything up.
It's not a start and go type deal at all.
So, in an Olson-Reed Pact or Garner-Long Pact 2ACW scenario, what should happen to the radical faction which the government compromised with? Honestly, an AuthDem AFP (for "Garner makes a pact with Long") or a RadSoc SPA (for "Olson makes a pact with Reed") should IMHO remain an option while SocCon Democrats are disabled for Olson-Reed Pact!America and the SocDems/Progressives are disabled for Garner-Long Pact!America.
Olson-Reed would probably have a big tent Progressive party with radical and moderate elements. Same with the Democrats with Garner-Long. You could probably have primary elections to decide which wing lead you into the elections. But frankly, the economic crisis is the window of opportunity for radicals and once things are going better, they'll probably run within the (expanded) politically acceptable spectrum.
This is already the case. Progressives can only be elected if Olson was a coalition president and he wasn't couped by MacArthur.
Why?
It would also be nice to see some flavor events in the US post-Civil War depending on whether you compromised with Reed or Long.
For example, if you compromised with Reed as Olson and Henry Wallace or Quentin Roosevelt manage to become President, the SPA and Progressives can start proposing legislation like banning poll taxes, cracking down on voter suppression, and possibly even moderate attempts at desegregation. Since only the AUS rises up in this scenario, this would give the SPA and Progressives plenty of ammo to use against Jim Crow, and there isn't going to be a lot standing in their way, due to the poor state of the Democratic Party due to the defection of the Dixiecrats and the increased strength of the Progressives thanks to Olson.
On the other hand, if you compromised with Long as Garner, the Dixiecrats and AFP can use Reed's rebellion as a way to crack down on civil rights activism, and try to solidify Jim Crow's hold over the South. Along with this, the AFP can start proposing legislation to "cease the spread of radical leftism" by cracking down on unions, make strikes a federal offense, and possibly even propose implementing segregation laws in the CSA states in order to "preserve law and order".
For example, if you compromised with Reed as Olson and Henry Wallace or Quentin Roosevelt manage to become President, the SPA and Progressives can start proposing legislation like banning poll taxes, cracking down on voter suppression, and possibly even moderate attempts at desegregation. Since only the AUS rises up in this scenario, this would give the SPA and Progressives plenty of ammo to use against Jim Crow, and there isn't going to be a lot standing in their way, due to the poor state of the Democratic Party due to the defection of the Dixiecrats and the increased strength of the Progressives thanks to Olson.
On the other hand, if you compromised with Long as Garner, the Dixiecrats and AFP can use Reed's rebellion as a way to crack down on civil rights activism, and try to solidify Jim Crow's hold over the South. Along with this, the AFP can start proposing legislation to "cease the spread of radical leftism" by cracking down on unions, make strikes a federal offense, and possibly even propose implementing segregation laws in the CSA states in order to "preserve law and order".
Honestly Olson's US probably go through reconstruction 2.0 to kill the AFP definitely and clamp down on partisans. After 2 civil wars, I doubt anyone has any feelings of mercy left for the South.
Depending on how long the war is, I could see the progressives being brought together by the conflict and staying a thing long term, while the democrats are destroyed by the civil war and their more extreme components considered tainted by association with the AUS.
Alternatively, some of the more moderate progressive go back to their origin party and the progressive-SPA alliance keep running a very leftist ticket, maybe some shade of demsoc, doing well in SPA midwest and Progressive plains states but not dominating national politics most of the time.
At least that'd probably remove temptation to have a red scare since the reds proved to be the ones willing to negotiate to save the union. Maybe neutral US down the line.
I've always felt that the scenario where Olson and Reed compromise is guaranteed to lead to massive problems down the line, because of what the compromise is. Reed demands the SPA be put in charge of an agency that will be in charge of moderating labor disputes. That's the courts job (there was a supreme court case about a labor dispute fairly recently, so that sort of thing is clearly in their jurisdiction). So basically, Reed gets to set up a parallel justice system that is permanently under the control of his political party, which is such a flagrant violation of the constitution that there's going to be a reckoning about that at some point.
Compare that to the Long compromise, who demands a tax break (annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not illegal), and demands to be the head of a new senate subcommittee (the senate is allowed to make its own committees so again, annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not expressly illegal).
There's also the way each side reacts to it. Reed gets a compromise that allows his party to permanently rig the system so that they will win every labor dispute in the future, and his people are still rioting and striking throughout New York and Boston, there's an event that tells you how Reed is struggling to get his followers under control. Again, compare that with Long, who gets more modest concessions of a tax break and being the head of a senate subcommittee, and you get no further problems from the south. There's no event like Reed's where Long's people are rioting and he's struggling to get control over them.
The SPA is also the only party to throw a massive tantrum after the election. You get no Longist equivalent to the New Years Strike. The SPA is by far the most radicalized and out of control faction going into the civil war, and even if you compromise with them, with the nature of the compromise, their radicalization and the fact that they are the only faction where the explicit goal is a new form of government, I just can't see anything but further problems for the Progressives.
Compare that to the Long compromise, who demands a tax break (annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not illegal), and demands to be the head of a new senate subcommittee (the senate is allowed to make its own committees so again, annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not expressly illegal).
There's also the way each side reacts to it. Reed gets a compromise that allows his party to permanently rig the system so that they will win every labor dispute in the future, and his people are still rioting and striking throughout New York and Boston, there's an event that tells you how Reed is struggling to get his followers under control. Again, compare that with Long, who gets more modest concessions of a tax break and being the head of a senate subcommittee, and you get no further problems from the south. There's no event like Reed's where Long's people are rioting and he's struggling to get control over them.
The SPA is also the only party to throw a massive tantrum after the election. You get no Longist equivalent to the New Years Strike. The SPA is by far the most radicalized and out of control faction going into the civil war, and even if you compromise with them, with the nature of the compromise, their radicalization and the fact that they are the only faction where the explicit goal is a new form of government, I just can't see anything but further problems for the Progressives.
I think they figured his Senagovernator antics were enough obstruction?
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I love the Custom Country Paths mod. Just had an epic game with Germany surrounded by a massive Internationale (Batavia, USSR, Poland, Scandanavia and Spain all joined them). Just set up one with the Internationale imploding in 1936 and me trying to win with the CSA against a Garner-No-Long-AUS America to restore syndicalism into the world.
Depends on if the save folder went with the mod when you uninstalled it, and if the old saves are compatible with the new update. You'll just have to see when you start it up.
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Honestly I find CK2 (and Stellaris in many ways) to be way easier then HOI4.
Trade, equipment and naval invasions just terrify me.
By our very own @Meadow , "The People's Flag", an AH novel about KR's Union of Britain (based in lore from circa 2011)!
Man, that looks cool! Congratulations on getting published, @Meadow !
Man, that looks cool! Congratulations on getting published, @Meadow !
CK II is much more frustrating in my head; I prefer HOI4, but I still play CK II quite often and am about to begin playing Imperator: Rome.
As the French Commune I have switched Ideology to Jacobin, so I hope that I haven't made a horrible error in the long term. I was amused one of the names for their new Ships will be Karl Marx, due for Launch in 1939, while another is Frederich Engels, considering they were both Germans.
I remember following the original thread over at the Pdox forums and being very sad it didn't finish. A lot of Meadow's ideas became the ground from which KR developed over the years. Totalism is the obvious example, but I drew a lot of inspiration from TPF when I redid India myself. I dunno if it's still included in the HoI4 version, but the event where R. H. Tawney goes to Calcutta to negotiate the Anglo-Indian Trade Agreement is derived directly from Meadow's AAR.
So, thanks indeed @Meadow for brushing off this old thing. I'll happily pay for a copy
I'm wondering what the political overtone window of a Long rebels, Reed compromises timeline would look like in the USA, assuming Olson manages to whoop Long's ass, I'm thinking its gonna look a lot like OTL Italy, the socialist are competitive, wins local elections, but are always a few inches short of winning the presidency.
I asked the KR devs about Foster on the KR Discord, and they told me that Foster's social policies are based on his syndicalist writings from OTL, specifically this passage right here: