Fail, like otl all the terrain favour the defenders, in fact gallipoli was the best place or send them to verdun meatgrinderWI the allies decided to knock OE out of the war by landing somewere else along the coast that had no high ground and then strike towards Istanbul?
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There was also the earlier offer by the Greeks to send 250,000 troops but the Russians would not hear of it as they had long considered the area in their sphere and did not want the Greeks anywhere near 'Constantinople'
See how that worked out for them!
Wonder if the Brit/French acceptance of that would have led to modern Greece extending to Ionia & other bits of Asia Minor
It always seemed to me that the place to land was at the 'neck' of the Gallipoli peninsula, rather than the tip. Cut the whole thing off at the start. The Ottomans could ferry some supplies across the Dardanelles from the south shore, but probably not enough to supply a large garrison. Once the peninsula was in British hands, artillery fire from there could help neutralize the defenses on the south side and the fleet could pass through.
Or an earlier effort - the Peninsula was virtually undefended in the months before the landing (the Ottomans were able to scrape together a force just in time - ...
...An earlier effort either at the neck or as per OTL would likely have succeeded - indeed Henry Morgenthau the US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire of Armenian Genocide whistle blower fame and father to the Henry Morgenthau of the Morgenthau plan noted that the Ottoman Government and German Embassy where absolutely shitting themselves as they had no faith in their ability to defend the peninsula against a determined attack and were ready to flee into the Asian side at a moments notice.
There was nothing written in stone for the Gallipoli campaign. About every aspect could have turned out different for the Entente. Back in 1982 I sat through a series of lectures on the campaign that examined it from the aspect of violating ten basic principles of warfare. The lecture ripped apart the British Army Generals, and a Admiral on this.
Speed: Our instructor noted the near lackadaisical pace of preparations. He referred to a memo from Churchill to the commander questioning this and urging more urgency. For whatever reason Churchill was unable to fire that commander & install a more appropriate man. Possibly because Churchill at the time was in Charge of the Navy & lacked the ability to prod Army officers? In any case the Entente had a window of opportunity of several months and missed it by just a few weeks. After the Ottoman reinforcements arrived.
Security & Deception Two other basic principles the lecturer addressed. He pointed out the British security for both planning and preparations were abysmal. Every messenger boy, donkey driver & waterfront stevedore in Egypt knew the details. Ottoman spies were active & feeding the information back to Istanbul on multiple channels. Hand in hand with that was the deception plan or operations was described as about as ham handed or amateurish as could be has. Even the press was not fooled and news stories about the oncoming new attack in the Dardanelles were appearing in multiple languages.
Had the Brits got the first item right, or the first three, the operation would have been a success and held as a great victory, despite every other cock up along the way.
The RN didn’t have good enough charts of this area. To improve this data would require survey ships taking soundings which would advertise the intent. As it was when they had improved their knowledge around Suvla for the August landings some X lighters still ran aground on off shore obsacles.It always seemed to me that the place to land was at the 'neck' of the Gallipoli peninsula, rather than the tip. Cut the whole thing off at the start. The Ottomans could ferry some supplies across the Dardanelles from the south shore, but probably not enough to supply a large garrison. Once the peninsula was in British hands, artillery fire from there could help neutralize the defenses on the south side and the fleet could pass through.
I think the story that the forts were out of ammo was from an English officer chatting with a Turkish counterpart after the war. Apparently the Turkish archives disagree with the often repeated claim. Harvey Broadbent, who can read Turkish, discovered this for his book ‘Defending Gallipoli’.I've read some sources which said the forts were wrecked or out of ammunition and the Ottomans were out of mines to replace those swept or detonated.
The RN didn’t have good enough charts of this area. To improve this data would require survey ships taking soundings which would advertise the intent. As it was when they had improved their knowledge around Suvla for the August landings some X lighters still ran aground on off shore obsacles.
Referring back to the lecture of 1982 the view was the Brits, or at least the Army failed to conduct a adequate recon, or intel gathering effort, by the standards of the era. 'Giving Away' the operation had already happened, refer back to the failures in Security & Deception. Specifically in the case of deception, you don't just recon your intended landing site, but all the good alternatives. You also make a effective effort to mask the reconissance.
... The plans were continuously updated and the last major revision was 1909.
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Indeed the security was so poor that most attache were thinking that Gallipoli was a feint. They called the force ‘Constantinople Expeditionary Force’ and stamped mail CEF...oops. Quickly changed to MEF Mediterranean Expeditionary Force but the damage was done.
Well, the Ottoman generals made the right interpretation.
Heres a list of principles of military operations. Similar to that taught at Sandhurst in the present day. How ably did the Galipoli planning and execution violate these?
Manuver Not sure here. the scheme of maneuver as planned or executed is not clear to me
Untiy of Command. As I understand this was a bit shaky, with the lines of command not clear between the RN & the Army, nor within the Army. Anyone able to clarify this?
Speed Theres the previous comments on the preparations carrying the execution date past the arrival of a viable defense force. There also criticism of the local commanders in being 'slow' in executing their parts in the operation.
Security Any more of value to add?
Mass Kind of weak to me. The criticism is appropriately aimed at a failure to concentrate forces, with multiple landing sites & objectives. That is less valid if the weak defense of the previous months is considered. A dispersed landing makes a bit more sense vs a weak defense.
Objective Here the criticism names multiple objectives, both in geographic positions, and it not being understood what the overriding goal was. to capture specific positions, destroy the enemy force, advance, or consolidate beachheads. The plans as published in orders too the subordinate commanders don't seem to make any of this coherent.
Offense This comes back to Speed & keeping the attack rolling. Many of the commanders from top to bottom are criticized for lack of aggression & seeing the need to attack early on.
Surprise Any more of value to add?
Economy of Force This connects to the failure to mass forces properly in the context.
Any other principles we should consider here? I've heard criticism for a lack of a useful rehearsal, something that was pounded into us as junior Marine officers, and a lack of a functional forward base for the operation. Any validity for those two?
Getting back to the Unity of Command, theres often criticism of Hamilton as not the man for the task. At this point I am wondering if the Navy should not have been firmly in charge. This would follow the common practice of the naval commander having overall command in large scale ship to shore operations.
Yes, from the 1912 Adm Wilson vs Gen Wilson presentation to cabinet that set the BEF commitment to France, the Army took it as tacit approval to expand from 60 Battalions to 60 Divisions. The British Army did not have this depth, the Planning Department was drained of officers to go back to their units to then be killed or wounded in Belgium and France. Loss of corporate memory is the best way to sum it up.I wonder how much of the above was due to the rapid expansion of the Army and a then lack of enough experienced staff officers (and I imagine the Western front sucking up a lot of the talent available) with too much muddling through? After all this was only 6 months after Britain entered the war.
Another problem was Strategy. There were 3 competing Grand Strategies, Kitchener's France/Belgium, Fishers Baltic and Churchill's Dardanelles. They should have settled on one. Sideline Churchill, sack Kitchener and put Fisher in charge as 'Naval War Lord' but implement Dardanelles not Baltic.Getting back to the Unity of Command, theres often criticism of Hamilton as not the man for the task. At this point I am wondering if the Navy should not have been firmly in charge. This would follow the common practice of the naval commander having overall command in large scale ship to shore operations.
Interesting gap between 1909 & 1915. I wonder if thats normal for the era, or represents something else? Were the mailbags of material current, or old items from pre 1909? Sometimes the older items can be really useful, other times not so much.
What else does Mr Chasseaud have to say? This is really interesting.