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Yeah, I am concerned about the plausibility of that. The reason for its existence was that the Ottomans managed to transition into a democratic confederation after their complete loss of all Balkan possessions in this timeline's first world war. Their Republican allies of France and Germany played a big part in the democratization. In present day there's many separatist movements and terrorism related to separatism. The federation is at roughly OTL Poland level wealth and it has decent democratic institutions. This arrangement seems way "too good to be true", but I think it's too late for me to retcon that.

I don't think it's all the implausible. All the things you mention seem very reasonable - including the problems involved :p

The biggest problem is getting the Young Turks to agree to having a state that's dominated by Turks but not explicitly Turkish.
 
I don't think it's all the implausible. All the things you mention seem very reasonable - including the problems involved :p

The biggest problem is getting the Young Turks to agree to having a state that's dominated by Turks but not explicitly Turkish.

The young Turks would probably not exist in this timeline as the POD is in the late 18th century. Although I could see the viewpoint of the Young Turks existing. But as I said, France and Germany at this point in time was giving the Ottomans lots of support in the war effort so they could have quite a bit of leverage over them and pressure them towards a federal democracy.
 
Is that peak Czech? probably up there with the Hussite. And definitely best Portugal. I think I'm going to need a read about how that came to be. How are their relations with the rest of the world?

Portugal is allied with Czechia because of ideology. They share a specific kind of socialism which in the past had a greater following. The Basques had their own state based around this Libertarian Socialist idea from 1928-1958. There would be something similar to the Socialist Internationale that keeps these countries and parties close.
 
Very intriguing map. Just out of interest, what's stopping Russia from steamrolling the Bratislava Group states?

For many years both the Commonwealth and the EEA aligned countries viewed the Bratislava Group as a necessary evil, or a buffer to prevent Russian expansion. Before the Bratislava Group was formed, Germany, Poland, the Baltics, and Russia were a part of a political alliance based around being a counterbalance to the liberal democracies in Western Europe. Germany eventually entered into a conflict around 1960 which then caused the alliance to collapse via military force of Commonwealth countries and socialist movements in Poland and the Baltics supported by Transleithania. Russia had its own trouble with socialist uprisings so they were limited in their ability to prevent the alliance from collapsing.
 
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decided to keep playing my Vic2 CWE save until i got bored again. still playing as the US, this is how the world ended up by 2016 (when i stopped playing)
 
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Description: an ideology that has tenets which consists of Totalitarianism, capitalism, populism and constitutionalism sweeps the globe. the PRC falls to revolution, Africa and the arab world is united. Latin America is united, several countries merge together and liberalism falls.
 
>The PRC falls to revolution
>Is the dominant power of the new Pan-Asian superpower that is probably commie by the coloration (so... no effect?)

>Pan-Muslim state reaches from Atlantic Ocean to Indian Ocean
>Israel: still exists

>Sub-Saharan Africa unites for no apparent reason
>All cultural differences on the entire continent have no meaning and are swept under the rug

>All of Latin America unifies
>Guineas aren't annexed

>Russia goes so far as to annex Ukraine
>The entire Western world doesn't do anything about it

>EU: exists and would be far more stable and plausible as a federation than any one of these space-filling empires
>EU: doesn't unify

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Also, I can't help but notice that almost every single one of your maps involves China falling to revolution within the next decade or so, even though China currently has the second-biggest economy in the world and the highest growth rate of GDP, and doesn't seem to be ready to collapse and magically turn democratic/capitalist anytime soon.
 
I dunno what trope related to mapping is funnier - the idea of a violently neutral Switzerland, or the idea of a French Guiana that will permanently be French.
 
>The PRC falls to revolution
>Is the dominant power of the new Pan-Asian superpower that is probably commie by the coloration (so... no effect?)

>Pan-Muslim state reaches from Atlantic Ocean to Indian Ocean
>Israel: still exists

>Sub-Saharan Africa unites for no apparent reason
>All cultural differences on the entire continent have no meaning and are swept under the rug

>All of Latin America unifies
>Guineas aren't annexed

>Russia goes so far as to annex Ukraine
>The entire Western world doesn't do anything about it

>EU: exists and would be far more stable and plausible as a federation than any one of these space-filling empires
>EU: doesn't unify

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Also, I can't help but notice that almost every single one of your maps involves China falling to revolution within the next decade or so, even though China currently has the second-biggest economy in the world and the highest growth rate of GDP, and doesn't seem to be ready to collapse and magically turn democratic/capitalist anytime soon.
China is not communist in the timeline, the state is a caliphate, Russia has nuclear bombs so who wants to fuck with them over a non NATO allied country.
 
Gotta say, that Randomid Caliphate would be mighty unstable. I'm pretty sure Egypt and the rest of the Maghreb would rather get join with the rest of Africa, where they are much more relatively powerful than get with the Iranians, Saudis, or Turks. Not to mention Iran and its Shi'a population might have a thing to say to the new (presumably) Caliph. Not to mention the Iraqis, Omani, Yemeni, and a number of Algerians who are also not Sunni. In general it looks like a bad time.

In general a lot of these super-states probably have significant internal opposition and conflict. African states, though certainly moving closer and getting more linked, are not yet popularly interested in union.

Also the German Constitution aside, Germany gobbling up local German speaking regions is a little too on the nose for anyone's comfort.

Ireland? yikes

Perhaps, if you're seeking Futuristic Space-filling Empires, look towards current and developing trading partners and blocs: 16+1 (CEEC+China), East African Community, Southern African Customs Union/Southern African Development community. Or you could build internal justifications within an alternate history for countries desiring unification (A Lusophone Union ruled from Brasilia, or big empire/foreign business interests wrestling smaller countries into an economic community/union ala Gomberg Map)
 
"For nearly 64 years the European powers have used Bosnia as their toy. Our land was seized from the Ottomans by the Austrians in 1878, and then it was partitioned between the Serbians and the Croatians in 1918. Bosnians have been pitted against one another for two generations now, on the basis of religion and ethnicity. But no longer. Today, we, people of Bosnia, whether Muslim, Catholic, or Orthodox, stand together in the face of fascism. We proclaim the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Let us fight for our freedom, as one nation."

-Nurija Pozderac, First President of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, March 3, 1942

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Claimed borders of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1942. These borders would be finalized in 1946.
 
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