"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?

Who knows, maybe France might strike first.
What about Italy? Since Tsar of New Zealand’s map of TTL’s Germany shows Austria having been annexed, perhaps Mussolini will be the first one to fight Germany?

Since Austria pretty much reverted itself into an Italian puppet state in order to keep the Nazis from annexing them IOTL, imagine what they’ll do when they have a communist Germany bordering them and wanting to annex the country? Plus, since Mussolini was hugely anti-communist IOTL, I don’t think he’s going to stand by and let communism spread elsewhere after Hitler takes over Germany.
 
Italy going on the offensive with their 1930's military and industry against Germany from behind the Alps would be absolutely insane.

But it's Mussolini.

So yeah, makes sense.

Perhaps if it is part of an anti-Comintern organization, alongside England, France, and other nations.
 
I could see this ending up a repeat of WW1 western front. Except this time Germany isn't also fighting Russians.

I can't see the same appeasement working for Hitler if he's communist.
 
I could see this ending up a repeat of WW1 western front. Except this time Germany isn't also fighting Russians.

I can't see the same appeasement working for Hitler if he's communist.
Possible, but other options could also occur. I find the possibility of Italian invasion actually relatively plausible, while idiotic to attempt. However given Mussolini's cowardly character, I think he would desire to attempt it more if France invaded with him.
 
I could see this ending up a repeat of WW1 western front. Except this time Germany isn't also fighting Russians.

I can't see the same appeasement working for Hitler if he's communist.
The Elites in France and Britain will be less willing to appease than OTL, but they will be even less willing to face the prospect of a general strike by Communist sympathizing Unions determined to prevent a war against fellow Socialists. That risk might not neccessarily all that big, but they wont know that.
Western gourverments in OTL massively overestimated international communist solidarity. So just like in OTL the Munich Agreement came in a large part due to massive overestimation of the damage bombers could do to cities and has been called "The German Luftwaffes Greatest Victory", in TTL Western gouvernments deeply opposed to Communist Germany might choose appeasement anyway, due to overestimating the risk of a Communist Uprising should they go to war against it.
 
The Elites in France and Britain will be less willing to appease than OTL, but they will be even less willing to face the prospect of a general strike by Communist sympathizing Unions determined to prevent a war against fellow Socialists. That risk might not neccessarily all that big, but they wont know that.

Pretty sure it would be big, at least in France.

Workers already don't want another world war. If it's against a communist power, I could see them threatening serious strikes. Of course patriotism is going to mess with it, but only if Germany is attacking France directly.
 
Heh, I find the general opinion of Italy's military capabilities in this thread to be hilarious.
When Comrade Hitler takes power, the military will definitely side with the Monarchist-Facists. So Germany will lack the professional command staff that it had at the start of the war. Combined with the Italian military being on par if not better then German's military by 1936 (but with substandard industry) and we have a long war that will freeze at the Alps.
 
Heh, I find the general opinion of Italy's military capabilities in this thread to be hilarious.
When Comrade Hitler takes power, the military will definitely side with the Monarchist-Facists. So Germany will lack the professional command staff that it had at the start of the war. Combined with the Italian military being on par if not better then German's military by 1936 (but with substandard industry) and we have a long war that will freeze at the Alps.
Issue is Mussolini isn’t the most decisive military man.
 
If Hitler is a communist he probably doesn't come to power. The reason the likes of The Nazis got funded for their elections, was because they weren't Communists. If you take away Hitler's funding he won't get the same exposure.

I do think Hitler could be a communist if it meant he personally got into power because I believe Hitler's Narcissim trumps his chore beliefs. Hitler's use of populism and ability to stir up hatred could be shifted to the upper classes. The German Communist Party was also anti-semitic so I'm sure he pushes this further. Hitler would ofcourse blame Germany's problems on the wealthy and 'Jewish Bankers' would undoubtadly be a tool he'd use.
 
If Hitler is a communist he probably doesn't come to power. The reason the likes of The Nazis got funded for their elections, was because they weren't Communists. If you take away Hitler's funding he won't get the same exposure.

I do think Hitler could be a communist if it meant he personally got into power because I believe Hitler's Narcissim trumps his chore beliefs. Hitler's use of populism and ability to stir up hatred could be shifted to the upper classes. The German Communist Party was also anti-semitic so I'm sure he pushes this further. Hitler would ofcourse blame Germany's problems on the wealthy and 'Jewish Bankers' would undoubtadly be a tool he'd use.
Wouldn’t be much fun to read though, would it?
 
If Hitler is a communist he probably doesn't come to power. The reason the likes of The Nazis got funded for their elections, was because they weren't Communists. If you take away Hitler's funding he won't get the same exposure.
Well, he doesn't necessarily need to be elected, does he? He just needs to get a bunch of support from the workers and then overthrow the government when the elctions are inevitably rigged against him, due to him being a communist. He'd have the backing of popular support, meaning that he'd actually have a decent chance of then staying in power after seizing control. I don't know, that's just my thoughts
 
Well, he doesn't necessarily need to be elected, does he? He just needs to get a bunch of support from the workers and then overthrow the government when the elctions are inevitably rigged against him, due to him being a communist. He'd have the backing of popular support, meaning that he'd actually have a decent chance of then staying in power after seizing control. I don't know, that's just my thoughts

Yeah this. His path to power is definitely going to be different because no one in the old right or economic elites will ever think he could be coopted into something useful to them. But on the other hand, he's going to be more of an uniting factor for revolutionary forces who ended up part of the KPD OTL. The KPD was kinda worthless OTL because of internal inertia and soviet orthodoxy, but with a grassroot from the Red Front brought by red Hitler and more dynamic leadership, it's going to be a lot more willing to make use of its forces and thus won't decline into impotence like it did historically.
 
Yeah this. His path to power is definitely going to be different because no one in the old right or economic elites will ever think he could be coopted into something useful to them. But on the other hand, he's going to be more of an uniting factor for revolutionary forces who ended up part of the KPD OTL. The KPD was kinda worthless OTL because of internal inertia and soviet orthodoxy, but with a grassroot from the Red Front brought by red Hitler and more dynamic leadership, it's going to be a lot more willing to make use of its forces and thus won't decline into impotence like it did historically.
Indeed, I feel like Hitler was one of the main reasons the Nazi's got as much support as they did in OTL. He was an amazing speaker and able to rouse the population, bending them to his will. Seeing as he retains his oratory skills in TTL, he's able to do the same thing for the Communists, meaning he rallies the masses behind the KPD instead of a Fascist party. This gives the Communists a real fighting chance, instead of being absolutely sidelined by infighting and generaly incompetent leadership.
 
If Hitler is a communist he probably doesn't come to power. The reason the likes of The Nazis got funded for their elections, was because they weren't Communists. If you take away Hitler's funding he won't get the same exposure.

I do think Hitler could be a communist if it meant he personally got into power because I believe Hitler's Narcissim trumps his chore beliefs. Hitler's use of populism and ability to stir up hatred could be shifted to the upper classes. The German Communist Party was also anti-semitic so I'm sure he pushes this further. Hitler would ofcourse blame Germany's problems on the wealthy and 'Jewish Bankers' would undoubtadly be a tool he'd use.
They probably would have said that about the Bolsheviks if a white victory occurred. People underestimate popular will in history. Bolsheviks didn't have major backers and infact the entire western world opposed them, yet they created the Soviet Union. People think way too rigidly with alternate history, and I think people who shut off such possibilities would find aspects of this current world (assuming they lived in an alternate world) impossible.
"no way could have the red army won, the entire western powers backed white army and the white army had all of the experienced officers!"
"how did the chinese communists win! they had a fraction of both the manpower and firepower of the nationalists? Even assuming the soviet support they got, this is total asb!"
"how did cuba go communist? Monroe doctrine and foreign economic domination outright prevent that!"
See all three of these movements won due to popular support. Hitler in this scenario retains his excellent oratory skills. However, no Hitler isn't much of an anti semite in this TL. Why do people assume he must retain anti semitism to be a bastard? Mao and Stalin weren't anti semitic, they were bastards.
The Cliche of people assuming this Hitler goes strictly and rigidly Nazbol is kinda annoying.
 
Sorry is above post seemed to harsh, I just don't like it when such close minded conclusions are drawn off of OTL. History has taken strange turns, so can alternate history. And victories aren't decided by outside support alone, popular support DOES matter. Also I genuinely get annoyed on how people keep bringing up the possibility of this Hitler retaining anti semetic beliefs. Yes it is possible, but it just seems like a forced attempt to change this ALTERNATE hitler as little as possible. He was at Kurt Eisner's funeral wearing mourning attire, so while OTL hitler was anti semitic, the scale was not always as severe as it was when he led Nazi Germany, it is possible for it to go the other way and it withers away. Yet he doesnt need anti semitism to be a monster, he will already have achieved that by the likely millions he will kill via his wars and political oppression.
 
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They probably would have said that about the Bolsheviks if a white victory occurred. People underestimate popular will in history. Bolsheviks didn't have major backers and infact the entire western world opposed them, yet they created the Soviet Union. People think way too rigidly with alternate history, and I think people who shut off such possibilities would find aspects of this current world (assuming they lived in an alternate world) impossible.
"no way could have the red army won, the entire western powers backed white army and the white army had all of the experienced officers!"
"how did the chinese communists win! they had a fraction of both the manpower and firepower of the nationalists? Even assuming the soviet support they got, this is total asb!"
"how did cuba go communist? Monroe doctrine and foreign economic domination outright prevent that!"
See all three of these movements won due to popular support. Hitler in this scenario retains his excellent oratory skills. However, no Hitler isn't much of an anti semite in this TL. Why do people assume he must retain anti semitism to be a bastard? Mao and Stalin weren't anti semitic, they were bastards.
The Cliche of people assuming this Hitler goes strictly and rigidly Nazbol is kinda annoying.

Well Stalin was an mild Anti-semite but that was secondary to him being a bastard.
 
Stalin had a Jew in charge of foreign policy until a few months before Poland and then moved him to be American ambassador. Stalin's Jewish policy was nothing but a way to appease Hitler.

I'm not talking about that, i'm talking about the whole "ruthless cosmopolitans" "doctors plot" stuff. It also seems to have gotten worse as he got older.
 
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