Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

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RMcD94 said:
It is often the case that people on this forum have miscellaneous or frivolous questions that could be easily answered by the many experts on this forum but are difficult to find the answer to on Google Scholar/Books or Wikipedia because they don't often deal in alternatives.

There are other cases where people have miscellaneous or frivolous scenarios or challenges that they want to share about an idea they encountered that could perhaps provoke inspiration in other users but isn't deserving enough to be posted as a thread on its own.

These issues have been addressed in the Shared Worlds and ASB forums but haven't been dealt with here.

This thread is intended to be a resource for those with questions about a timeline they want to construct which are minor and undeserving of their own thread, and a place to share ideas that people don't have time, skill or knowledge to write themselves.
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This WAS a really good idea.

Well done.
 
Bene Tleilax

Bene Tleilax

Atamolos said:
Need a little more context to know for sure.
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Kaiser Julius said:
  • Emperor Carus isn't struck by lightning preventing the rise of Diocletian especially after Numerian dies and Diocles is accused of his murder and executed. Armenia and Mesopotamia are conquered then Carus returns to Rome. Carinus kills his father before he can disinherit him but he's killed by the army within the year and the barracks emperors begin again.
  • In the chaos Carausius breaks away as Emperor of Brittania. The Great Conspiracy never happens and Brittania even getting as far as Aberdeen.
  • Franks settle OTL Belgium but Brittania keeps them in check. The Allemani conquer Eastern Gaul and Switzerland.
  • Romans and settled Sarmatians fight Goth, Carpi, Gepid and Iazyges invasion (Carpathia is the Danubian Plain.)
  • Sassanid Emperor Narseh reconquers Armenia and Mesopotamia and goes up to Caucasian Iberia and the Euphrates.
  • Eventually regional emperors declare themselves in a twisted version of the Tetrarchy like a worse Crisis of the Third Century. (Governor of Spain takes advantage of the chaos in Gaul to declare himself, followed by an Egyptian general declaring himself a new Pharaoh.) They eventually drive off the barbarians but the Roman Empire is now basically dead.
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Jan Olbracht

Something I was thinking about-if Portuguese House of Burgundy survived in legitimate line (with latest possible POD-Ferdinand I of Portugal has surviving son-that was after Salic Law was estabilished in France) would it inherit France if all other legitimate Capetian lines died out?
 

Monter

Jan Olbracht said:
Something I was thinking about-if Portuguese House of Burgundy survived in legitimate line (with latest possible POD-Ferdinand I of Portugal has surviving son-that was after Salic Law was estabilished in France) would it inherit France if all other legitimate Capetian lines died out?
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That was an illegitimate line far, far removed from the main line, note that after the (First) House of Burgundy died out the duchy returned to the crown, rather than be claimed by the Portuguese kings.
 

Jan Olbracht

Monter said:
That was an illegitimate line far, far removed from the main line, note that after the (First) House of Burgundy died out the duchy returned to the crown, rather than be claimed by the Portuguese kings.
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Portuguese House of Burgundy was legitimate Capetian branch. It did not inherited Burgundy, but Nevers line of Valois-Burgundy also didn't, despite fact, that they were male-line legitimate descendants of Philip the Bold.
 

Monter

Jan Olbracht said:
Portuguese House of Burgundy was legitimate Capetian branch. It did not inherited Burgundy, but Nevers line of Valois-Burgundy also didn't, despite fact, that they were male-line legitimate descendants of Philip the Bold.
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Whoa whoa, I confused them with the Braganzas.
 

Urcea

Another mini-WI; how plausible is it to wed Ricimer to Licinia Eudoxia and Majorian to Placidia the Younger? This would have the benefit not only of giving Majorian an extension of the Valentinian-Theodosian Dynasty, but would also bind him and Ricimer closer together, potentially delaying or altogether removing Majorian’s demise
 
Atamolos

Atamolos

Spelf said:
Another mini-WI; how plausible is it to wed Ricimer to Licinia Eudoxia and Majorian to Placidia the Younger? This would have the benefit not only of giving Majorian an extension of the Valentinian-Theodosian Dynasty, but would also bind him and Ricimer closer together, potentially delaying or altogether removing Majorian’s demise
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https://www.mcgill.ca/classics/files/classics/2008-9-03.pdf

This paper is an interesting analysis of Majorian and Ricimer's relationship and Ricimer's role in the fall of the Western Empire. The basic premise is that Ricimer betrayed and ousted Majorian because he viewed Majorian as an idealist and Alexander-type conqueror, which in his estimation, would doom the empire, especially after the failure to take Africa. If the two men were related by marriage, I believe it would only have the effect of prolonging Majorian's reign if he made a conscious decision to refocus his attention on establishing sustainable frontiers and consolidating what remaining resources and manpower they had.
 

Urcea

Atamolos said:
https://www.mcgill.ca/classics/files/classics/2008-9-03.pdf

This paper is an interesting analysis of Majorian and Ricimer's relationship and Ricimer's role in the fall of the Western Empire. The basic premise is that Ricimer betrayed and ousted Majorian because he viewed Majorian as an idealist and Alexander-type conqueror, which in his estimation, would doom the empire, especially after the failure to take Africa. If the two men were related by marriage, I believe it would only have the effect of prolonging Majorian's reign if he made a conscious decision to refocus his attention on establishing sustainable frontiers and consolidating what remaining resources and manpower they had.
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That'd give the WRE a pretty healthy shot in the arm, no? Perhaps the burning of his fleet doomed an excursion into Africa, but the Gallic situation basically instantly collapsed upon Majorian's death - a few more years may remedy the situation a bit and give it more permanence, no?
 

NiGHTS

If Spain hypothetically broke away from the Roman Church, what would it's own church be called? The Hispanic/Iberian church?

And for what it's worth, let's say that it occurs after an earlier union with Portugal thanks to Miguel de Paz living.
 

CDA

WI Owain Glyndwr was successful in establishing Wales as a separate Principality? The POD could be that Harry Hotspur Percy gets sick and has to delay his attack until the other armies arrive. How might an Independent Wales look moving forward? How would English history change?
 
BiteNibbleChomp

BiteNibbleChomp

In the (OTL) American Civil War, how interchangeable were the ships of the river and ocean-going fleets? Could a river gunboat actually be used in the blockade or would it just sink because of the rough water, and could a ship designed for the blockade be used against forts along the Mississippi or somewhere without getting stuck?

- BNC
 

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NiGHTS said:
If Spain hypothetically broke away from the Roman Church, what would it's own church be called? The Hispanic/Iberian church?

And for what it's worth, let's say that it occurs after an earlier union with Portugal thanks to Miguel de Paz living.
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Hispanic church seems more likely than Iberian, Iberian is more of a modern term. And Latin wouldn't work because they'd be separate from Rome.
 
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