I think I'll tweak things a little bit. IOTL the decision to create a epublic, as opposed to just forcing Kaiser Wilhelm II to abdicate in favor of his son, was kinda spur of the moment. I think I'll have a German Revolution analogue that ends up with Wilhelm abdicating in favor of his son instead of completely abolishing the German monarchy.
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Here's another map that's partly inspired by the White Kamuy: British Nipponese Islands, 2007 map made last year. This one however is a rather different take on various alternate scenarios for Russia and Hokkaido. Direct dA link here.
In this version of events, Hokkaido (or rather, Eznoye, being a Russified take on Ezo) is colonized by the Russian Empire, which sparks a chain-reaction in bolstering Russia's grip over the Far East. At the same time, it's also inspired a bit by Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg and an alternate take on the Russian Civil War, with the (in)famous Admiral Kolchak succeeding in eatablishing a White remnant around Eznoye, Sakhalin and Priamurye...which combined with the rather frontier colonial nature of the region, leads to some curious results.
Also, in addition to some nods to the manga/anime series Golden Kamuy (and not just in the title, either), I also added a few other reference. The flags and insignia used, in particular, incorporate elements from Hokkaido's OTL flag, the old Korean Empire seal and the OTL Ainu emblem.
And just to be on the safe side, this is not a political piece or propaganda spiel, nor intended to be in any shape or form racist. This is a work of fiction.
All that being said, hope you enjoy!
Situated at the fringes of East Asia, the region comprising the modern Federated Republic of the Russian Far East, otherwise known as the Free Russian Federation, had been wrapped in mystery for countless generations. Even the Japanese, with their proximity to the island known then as Ezo, saw the lands at best an extended march. But beyond what they called the Oshima Peninsula, they had left the native Ainu people largely to their own devices, if nominally subservient to the daimyo based from Hakodate and eventually, the Tokugawa Shogunate. By the 19th Century, however, that changed forever.
In 1842, as the British dealt a humiliating blow to the decaying Qing Dynasty, Tsar Nicholas I founded a committee to investigate and explore the lands around the Amur River and the island of Sakhalin. The following year, an expeditionary mission was launched, under Yevfimiy Putyatin of the Imperial Russian Navy. More than mapping out the region, however, the aim was also to assess its potential and open up the long-isolationist Japan to trade. Although the latter failed, the former proved more promising, inspiring further expeditions despite protests from either the Qing or Tokugawas.
By 1849, Russian settlers were beginning to establish themselves over Sakhalin, displacing what rudimentary claims the Japanese had over the island. Mines, villages and outposts had sprouted up, bringing in peasants, traders and even missionaries seeking their fortune. More than that, however, some of them were tentatively prodding the northern coastline of Ezo. Despite myriad agreements and compromises involving the Matsumae Clan, who nominally held sway over what gradually came to be called Eznoye, these failed to stop the flow of newcomers into the frontier. With the acquisition of the remote Outer Manchuria from the Qing in 1858, soon named Priamurye[1], and the founding of Vladivostok two years later, this only intensified significantly. Within a few years, Russian outposts were emerging throughout the region. Even in the Japanese port of Hakodate, which had been made an open port thanks to the 1854 Convention of Kanagawa, Orthodox priests, merchants from Irkutsk and even visitors from as far as Moscow were a familiar enough sight. It soon became evident that whatever hold the Matsumae daimyo, let alone the Tokugawas had over their march was rapidly deteriorating. Thus, though the territories in question weren't yet formally part of Russia, the writing was on the wall.
Then came the so-called Bakumatsu, known in Russian history as the Oriental Wars. The 1860s see the supporters of the Japanese Emperor rose up in arms against what's seen as a cowardly, decaying order. But while various foreign powers were content to support one side or another, Tsar Alexander II saw an opportunity for securing the Far East. Using the pretext of a trade mission being murdered by samurai loyal to the Tokugawas in 1863, an expeditionary force was deployed under the command of Putyanin, who had become an Admiral by then. While the actual campaign proved straightforward enough, it wasn't until the hard-earned victory at the Battle of Hakodate in 1865 that the entire region, including the entirety of the Kuril Islands, was firmly made Russian land. By the time the Treaty of Vladivostok was signed the following year, the Shogunate was on its death throws, with the Japanese delegation sent to sign said treaty representing Emperor Meiji.
These developments didn't stop distant Alaska from being sold off to the Americans in 1868. Despite this blow, however, the now-displaced colonists were heavily encouraged to resettle in Sakhalin and especially Eznoye, which many among them accepted with enthusiasm. In the span of a few years, new settlements were being established across the region, and with them, the inklings of more trade, farmland and industry. Indeed, the last Governor of Russian America, Dimitry Maksutov, was tasked with running the burgeoning colony from the newly founded city of Aleksandrgrad, situated along what the Japanese had called the Ishikari Plain[2]. Hakodate itself was formally renamed in his honor, coinciding with the erection of an Orthodox cathedral in 1875.
As railroads and steamships criss-crossed the Tsar's vast domains, more came in, ranging from penal colonists to freed serfs, Ukrainian reformists and enterprising adventurers from across the Russian Empire. The discovery of gold, especially in Eznoye, however, truly jumpstarted the region's development. Unfortunately, this brought the newcomers into growing tension not just with the local Japanese, some of whom were exiled samurai families disillusioned with the fall of the Tokugawa. But also the increasingly hostile Ainu, some of which saw the encroaching newcomers as no different from the march daimyo of yesteryear. Tensions among the three "principal peoples," even bouts of open violence, forced the authorities to enact various policies throughout the 1880s, both to maintain order and deter anyone seeking to find an excuse to seize those lands, whether it be the other Great Powers or a rapidly industrializing Japan. The reforms, commonly dubbed the Korsakov Compromise after Sakhalin's largest city[3], involved the building of more forts, restrictions on settling certain districts and encouraging non-Slavics to take more active roles in society in an attempt at assimilation. Despite initial setbacks and being scoffed at by some of the more hardline elements back in the halls of St. Petersburg, these helped in averting what would have been a violent revolt and bolstering the region's prosperity. And none too soon.
In 1895, Queen Myeongseong of Joseon approached the Russians for aid against Japan, which had set its sights on the Korean Peninsula. Tsar Nicholas II's decision to support the beleaguered kingdom sparks a chain of events resulting in a civil war in Joseon and the First Russo-Japanese War in 1903. The ensuing conflict ended in an honorable peace with the Treaty of Vancouver the following year, with the Japanese largely confined to Liaodong Peninsula and much of Gyeongsang Province. The Empire of Japan, meanwhile grew increasingly intertwined with its military as it sought to channel its ambitions elsewhere across the Pacific. More importantly, however, the Russian forces stationed in the region had conducted themselves with such firm resolve that the war came to be seen as a mark of pride. Even the Japanese and Ainu irregulars displayed such valor that any concerns of possible betrayal were rendered moot. But even with such a "victory," it failed to stem the growing tensions that were going on across the Romanovs' realm. Which only worsened during the Great War that broke out in 1914.
Much of Russia quickly deteriorated as social unrest and a series of catastrophic victories in the European frontlines provided ample breeding ground for revolution. When Tsar Nicholas II was forced to abdicate the throne in 1919, centuries of Romanov rule had come to an end, but the so-called "Kerensky administration" proved incapable of holding the battered country together. Or stop the ascendant Bolsheviks under Vladimir Lenin from gathering more power, let alone capturing the former Tsar along with his family. As civil war gripped the nation, what's left of the "Provisional Russian National Government" turned to war hero Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak, christening him "Supreme Leader." Eznoye, Sakhalin and Priamurye, the future "Constituent Krai," remained firm loyalist bastions despite attempted socialist uprisings. From there coordinated an organized retreat, bringing in as many "Whites" to relative safety as possible, from peasants and displaced nobility to surviving anti-Bolshevik regiments and Cossack divisions. Alongside Joseon, even their former Imperial Japanese foes found common cause in trying to hold back the "Reds." When it became clear that the nascent USSR was here to say, a more long-term plan was conceived to ensure the survival of the White cause.
in 1925, the Vladivostok Assembly was convened. Thus, the FRRFE was formally established, with the capital distributed among the three "Constituent Krai" in Vladivostok, Aleksandrgrad and Korsakov. Kolchak himself, was appointed President-Regent, opening up any potential restoration of the monarchy at some point in the future. Although the new state would remain under martial law for the next decade, provisions were made for a gradual transition to civilian rule through the Federal Duma. Even with all the preparations and defenses, however, its position in those days was tenuous at best. Yet just as before, Free Russia held firm against the odds. Not even the fall of Japan to socialist revolution in 1946, towards the latter half of the Second Great War, could break down this bastion against Bolshevism. Even while holding back both the USSR and defending Joseon from the emerging "United Socialist Republics of East Asia," Kolchak in his final landmark decree went so far as to welcome Japanese refugees fleeing the Reds. Alongside their well-established counterparts and the Ainu, their valor would ring far through the generations.
Those were long ago. Much has changed, but some remain constant. The USSR remains a persistent presence as a Great Power in its own right, even though its brand of Marxist-Leninism is heavily tinged with warped elements of Russian nationalism. The Free Russian Federation also holds firm, however. While still under the Kolchak line of President-Regents, informally known among the locals as the "New Tsars", the country stands firm as a beacon of democracy, however distorted, and prosperity in the Far East, known for its industry, agriculture and gold as much as its fortified borders. But though it remains committed to the White cause and seeing "All Russias" reunited, the land and its inhabitants have become rather eccentric at best. Though not just in terms of peculiar economic and demographic policies, or of proactive gender equality especially with the sizable number of women in positions of power. If one believes USSR propaganda, it's not purely "Russian" anymore.
True, Slavic Europeans, such as ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, remain predominant. On the other hand, the other Principal Peoples of the state have not only come to be seen as equal members of society but also comprise sizable proportions of the population. Such has their clout grown than towns and cities long tend to include their Japanese or Ainu names alongside formal Russian ones, particularly in districts where they have significant numbers if not outright majorities. The Japanese and Ainu languages, albeit rather Russified, have also gained formal recognition as official languages since Vladimir Kolchak approved further social reforms in 1981. While the Slavics themselves have gone so far as to have adopted Westernized mon, not unlike a coat of arms, and Ainu-pattern tattoos. Indeed, that the current Prime Minister is an Ainu woman, said to be descended from a noted female huntress yet a patriotic "Kadet," could be interpreted as subtle revenge after generations of neglect by an uncaring world.
More change is underway, however. More than gold or industrial-grade ore, the waters and ground from the Kurils to the fringes of Priamurye, various strategic resources have been found. Natural gas, uranium and rare-earth minerals of potentially large quantities have spurred a new "gold rush," stirring an influx of aspiring entrepreneurs from Joseon, American corporations and even more defectors from the USSR to cross into Free Russia. But with the various socialist powers growing more aggressive and new Chinese rival having long recovered from its century of shame, could this land meet its match, at last? Or would it be lucky...again?
[1] Parts of OTL Primorsky Krai and Kharbarovsk Oblast
[2] Roughly OTL Sapporo
[3] OTL Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk/Toyohara
In this version of events, Hokkaido (or rather, Eznoye, being a Russified take on Ezo) is colonized by the Russian Empire, which sparks a chain-reaction in bolstering Russia's grip over the Far East. At the same time, it's also inspired a bit by Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg and an alternate take on the Russian Civil War, with the (in)famous Admiral Kolchak succeeding in eatablishing a White remnant around Eznoye, Sakhalin and Priamurye...which combined with the rather frontier colonial nature of the region, leads to some curious results.
Also, in addition to some nods to the manga/anime series Golden Kamuy (and not just in the title, either), I also added a few other reference. The flags and insignia used, in particular, incorporate elements from Hokkaido's OTL flag, the old Korean Empire seal and the OTL Ainu emblem.
And just to be on the safe side, this is not a political piece or propaganda spiel, nor intended to be in any shape or form racist. This is a work of fiction.
All that being said, hope you enjoy!
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マタカムイ+Мата Камуй
Зимний Камуй
冬の精神
WINTER KAMUY
The Free Russian Federation
AD 2019
マタカムイ+Мата Камуй
Зимний Камуй
冬の精神
WINTER KAMUY
The Free Russian Federation
AD 2019
Situated at the fringes of East Asia, the region comprising the modern Federated Republic of the Russian Far East, otherwise known as the Free Russian Federation, had been wrapped in mystery for countless generations. Even the Japanese, with their proximity to the island known then as Ezo, saw the lands at best an extended march. But beyond what they called the Oshima Peninsula, they had left the native Ainu people largely to their own devices, if nominally subservient to the daimyo based from Hakodate and eventually, the Tokugawa Shogunate. By the 19th Century, however, that changed forever.
In 1842, as the British dealt a humiliating blow to the decaying Qing Dynasty, Tsar Nicholas I founded a committee to investigate and explore the lands around the Amur River and the island of Sakhalin. The following year, an expeditionary mission was launched, under Yevfimiy Putyatin of the Imperial Russian Navy. More than mapping out the region, however, the aim was also to assess its potential and open up the long-isolationist Japan to trade. Although the latter failed, the former proved more promising, inspiring further expeditions despite protests from either the Qing or Tokugawas.
By 1849, Russian settlers were beginning to establish themselves over Sakhalin, displacing what rudimentary claims the Japanese had over the island. Mines, villages and outposts had sprouted up, bringing in peasants, traders and even missionaries seeking their fortune. More than that, however, some of them were tentatively prodding the northern coastline of Ezo. Despite myriad agreements and compromises involving the Matsumae Clan, who nominally held sway over what gradually came to be called Eznoye, these failed to stop the flow of newcomers into the frontier. With the acquisition of the remote Outer Manchuria from the Qing in 1858, soon named Priamurye[1], and the founding of Vladivostok two years later, this only intensified significantly. Within a few years, Russian outposts were emerging throughout the region. Even in the Japanese port of Hakodate, which had been made an open port thanks to the 1854 Convention of Kanagawa, Orthodox priests, merchants from Irkutsk and even visitors from as far as Moscow were a familiar enough sight. It soon became evident that whatever hold the Matsumae daimyo, let alone the Tokugawas had over their march was rapidly deteriorating. Thus, though the territories in question weren't yet formally part of Russia, the writing was on the wall.
Then came the so-called Bakumatsu, known in Russian history as the Oriental Wars. The 1860s see the supporters of the Japanese Emperor rose up in arms against what's seen as a cowardly, decaying order. But while various foreign powers were content to support one side or another, Tsar Alexander II saw an opportunity for securing the Far East. Using the pretext of a trade mission being murdered by samurai loyal to the Tokugawas in 1863, an expeditionary force was deployed under the command of Putyanin, who had become an Admiral by then. While the actual campaign proved straightforward enough, it wasn't until the hard-earned victory at the Battle of Hakodate in 1865 that the entire region, including the entirety of the Kuril Islands, was firmly made Russian land. By the time the Treaty of Vladivostok was signed the following year, the Shogunate was on its death throws, with the Japanese delegation sent to sign said treaty representing Emperor Meiji.
These developments didn't stop distant Alaska from being sold off to the Americans in 1868. Despite this blow, however, the now-displaced colonists were heavily encouraged to resettle in Sakhalin and especially Eznoye, which many among them accepted with enthusiasm. In the span of a few years, new settlements were being established across the region, and with them, the inklings of more trade, farmland and industry. Indeed, the last Governor of Russian America, Dimitry Maksutov, was tasked with running the burgeoning colony from the newly founded city of Aleksandrgrad, situated along what the Japanese had called the Ishikari Plain[2]. Hakodate itself was formally renamed in his honor, coinciding with the erection of an Orthodox cathedral in 1875.
As railroads and steamships criss-crossed the Tsar's vast domains, more came in, ranging from penal colonists to freed serfs, Ukrainian reformists and enterprising adventurers from across the Russian Empire. The discovery of gold, especially in Eznoye, however, truly jumpstarted the region's development. Unfortunately, this brought the newcomers into growing tension not just with the local Japanese, some of whom were exiled samurai families disillusioned with the fall of the Tokugawa. But also the increasingly hostile Ainu, some of which saw the encroaching newcomers as no different from the march daimyo of yesteryear. Tensions among the three "principal peoples," even bouts of open violence, forced the authorities to enact various policies throughout the 1880s, both to maintain order and deter anyone seeking to find an excuse to seize those lands, whether it be the other Great Powers or a rapidly industrializing Japan. The reforms, commonly dubbed the Korsakov Compromise after Sakhalin's largest city[3], involved the building of more forts, restrictions on settling certain districts and encouraging non-Slavics to take more active roles in society in an attempt at assimilation. Despite initial setbacks and being scoffed at by some of the more hardline elements back in the halls of St. Petersburg, these helped in averting what would have been a violent revolt and bolstering the region's prosperity. And none too soon.
In 1895, Queen Myeongseong of Joseon approached the Russians for aid against Japan, which had set its sights on the Korean Peninsula. Tsar Nicholas II's decision to support the beleaguered kingdom sparks a chain of events resulting in a civil war in Joseon and the First Russo-Japanese War in 1903. The ensuing conflict ended in an honorable peace with the Treaty of Vancouver the following year, with the Japanese largely confined to Liaodong Peninsula and much of Gyeongsang Province. The Empire of Japan, meanwhile grew increasingly intertwined with its military as it sought to channel its ambitions elsewhere across the Pacific. More importantly, however, the Russian forces stationed in the region had conducted themselves with such firm resolve that the war came to be seen as a mark of pride. Even the Japanese and Ainu irregulars displayed such valor that any concerns of possible betrayal were rendered moot. But even with such a "victory," it failed to stem the growing tensions that were going on across the Romanovs' realm. Which only worsened during the Great War that broke out in 1914.
Much of Russia quickly deteriorated as social unrest and a series of catastrophic victories in the European frontlines provided ample breeding ground for revolution. When Tsar Nicholas II was forced to abdicate the throne in 1919, centuries of Romanov rule had come to an end, but the so-called "Kerensky administration" proved incapable of holding the battered country together. Or stop the ascendant Bolsheviks under Vladimir Lenin from gathering more power, let alone capturing the former Tsar along with his family. As civil war gripped the nation, what's left of the "Provisional Russian National Government" turned to war hero Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak, christening him "Supreme Leader." Eznoye, Sakhalin and Priamurye, the future "Constituent Krai," remained firm loyalist bastions despite attempted socialist uprisings. From there coordinated an organized retreat, bringing in as many "Whites" to relative safety as possible, from peasants and displaced nobility to surviving anti-Bolshevik regiments and Cossack divisions. Alongside Joseon, even their former Imperial Japanese foes found common cause in trying to hold back the "Reds." When it became clear that the nascent USSR was here to say, a more long-term plan was conceived to ensure the survival of the White cause.
in 1925, the Vladivostok Assembly was convened. Thus, the FRRFE was formally established, with the capital distributed among the three "Constituent Krai" in Vladivostok, Aleksandrgrad and Korsakov. Kolchak himself, was appointed President-Regent, opening up any potential restoration of the monarchy at some point in the future. Although the new state would remain under martial law for the next decade, provisions were made for a gradual transition to civilian rule through the Federal Duma. Even with all the preparations and defenses, however, its position in those days was tenuous at best. Yet just as before, Free Russia held firm against the odds. Not even the fall of Japan to socialist revolution in 1946, towards the latter half of the Second Great War, could break down this bastion against Bolshevism. Even while holding back both the USSR and defending Joseon from the emerging "United Socialist Republics of East Asia," Kolchak in his final landmark decree went so far as to welcome Japanese refugees fleeing the Reds. Alongside their well-established counterparts and the Ainu, their valor would ring far through the generations.
Those were long ago. Much has changed, but some remain constant. The USSR remains a persistent presence as a Great Power in its own right, even though its brand of Marxist-Leninism is heavily tinged with warped elements of Russian nationalism. The Free Russian Federation also holds firm, however. While still under the Kolchak line of President-Regents, informally known among the locals as the "New Tsars", the country stands firm as a beacon of democracy, however distorted, and prosperity in the Far East, known for its industry, agriculture and gold as much as its fortified borders. But though it remains committed to the White cause and seeing "All Russias" reunited, the land and its inhabitants have become rather eccentric at best. Though not just in terms of peculiar economic and demographic policies, or of proactive gender equality especially with the sizable number of women in positions of power. If one believes USSR propaganda, it's not purely "Russian" anymore.
True, Slavic Europeans, such as ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, remain predominant. On the other hand, the other Principal Peoples of the state have not only come to be seen as equal members of society but also comprise sizable proportions of the population. Such has their clout grown than towns and cities long tend to include their Japanese or Ainu names alongside formal Russian ones, particularly in districts where they have significant numbers if not outright majorities. The Japanese and Ainu languages, albeit rather Russified, have also gained formal recognition as official languages since Vladimir Kolchak approved further social reforms in 1981. While the Slavics themselves have gone so far as to have adopted Westernized mon, not unlike a coat of arms, and Ainu-pattern tattoos. Indeed, that the current Prime Minister is an Ainu woman, said to be descended from a noted female huntress yet a patriotic "Kadet," could be interpreted as subtle revenge after generations of neglect by an uncaring world.
More change is underway, however. More than gold or industrial-grade ore, the waters and ground from the Kurils to the fringes of Priamurye, various strategic resources have been found. Natural gas, uranium and rare-earth minerals of potentially large quantities have spurred a new "gold rush," stirring an influx of aspiring entrepreneurs from Joseon, American corporations and even more defectors from the USSR to cross into Free Russia. But with the various socialist powers growing more aggressive and new Chinese rival having long recovered from its century of shame, could this land meet its match, at last? Or would it be lucky...again?
[1] Parts of OTL Primorsky Krai and Kharbarovsk Oblast
[2] Roughly OTL Sapporo
[3] OTL Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk/Toyohara
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Oh, wow. I didn't take a look at this earlier, but it is an amazing dystopia. Every nation is ruled by a king, and they're all effectively the same person, China-SEAsia's, India's, and Africa-Arabia's populations have all gone down and appear predominantly European...
Every European ethnicity is specifically singled out (except for in Israel, where Arabs and other teensy-for-some-reason ethnic groups are briefly mentioned), and everyone else is collapsed into Euro-X, something like "East Asian", or not mentioned at all...
Bravo.
Granted, the closest there is is "Eurasian" and "Euroindian." But even I don't know the full details of what kind of setting the client had in mind. It certainly looks like a 1984-esque dystopia.
Reposting this map because I made significant additions/changes, along with a companion map showing the Realm Counties and listing them.
Major Cities of East Florida
Major Cities of East Florida
Realm Counties of East Florida
1. Distrito Capital de San Agustin, San Augustin, 1,536,298 (est. 2019)
2. Condado de San Juan Exterior, San Mateo, 1,389,201 (est. 2019)
3. Condado de Santa Isabela, Puerto Carolina, 1,429,203 (est. 2019)
4. Condado de San Juan Interior, San Juan, 750,400 (est. 2019)
5. Condado de Santa Fe, Santa Fe, 687,283 (est. 2019)
6. Condado de Leon, Vallecilla, 384,329 (est. 2019)
7. Condado de Narvaez, Cofa, 203,200 (est. 2019)
8. Condado de la Bahía Espíritu Santo, Espíritu Santo, 1,278,006 (est. 2019)
9. Condado de Pascua, Playa Principe, 988,787 (est. 2019)
10. Condado de Naranja, Lago Blanco, 429,328 (est. 2019)
11. Condado de la Costa Bella, Nuevo Léon, 1,038,209 (est. 2019)
12. Condado de Palmera, Bahía Palmas, 784,222 (est. 2019)
13. Condado de Lagos, Vista Plana, 398,010 (est. 2019)
I was thinking more of a timeline where Romania still joins in on Barbarossa per Nazi demands, only since Italy joins the allied side of the war in early 44’, Romania is captured by allied Italian Fascist Bloc forces before the Reds. Hence in the resulting peace treaties, Bulgaria is rewarded all of Dobruja and Romania’s coastline, and Romania slides into Fascist rather than communist influence.
Did Bulgaria ever make a claim on Northern Dobruja? It was overwhelmingly majority Romania. Besides, Romania would still have a narrow coastline via Budjak as far as I know.
I'm really sorry, but what is the philosophy of handicapping supposed to be?
That is some serious border gore in East Africa. What the hell happened there? What are those countries even?
Major WIP, but the world map for Il Bethisad
They might have had a claimmto a smaller portion, but as Romania gave them back a portion of the land they gained in WWI, with both countries trading their Bulgarians and Romanians, there was really no big problem between the two. Plus Germans, Hungarians, and others would all be hesitant about Bulgaria gaining the mouth of the Danube, especially if it infingred upon the commission with partial control on the river.
I didnt have east africa done at the time but there is a mega-Ethiopia and all of east africa not touched ie Kenya, Tanzania, etc are ruled by a Chinese state set up by Zheng He. Rhodesia rules over most of Mozambique.
By late January 1944, the Soviets were pretty close to the Romanian border. They didn't invade in force until the summer, when most German forces were withdrawn, but they had bridgeheads on the Dneiper by May. Also, the aforementioned quite formidable German forces would have been just as displeased with Italian attackers as with Soviet ones. (What's the situation of Hungary in all this, anyway? I'm doubtful Germany would have allowed it to continue as a pro-Italian neutral during Barbarossa.)
Jan 29, 1944
More detail here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atla...ronts_in_Semimonthly_Phases_to_August_15_1945
Bypassing the interesting conversation going on above...
Recent history has seen a reverse of this trend- although humiliated at the hands of Japanese trade ships, the Romans/Fulinese (as they are called here) managed to avoid being directly ruled by any Asian power, and now have combined sheer size in land and population with recent scientific breakthroughs in industrial technology, genetic engineering, and more meritocratic economic reforms to become the single largest economy in the world and one of the largest trading partners of most states. Despite its size, the modern ‘world order’ of diplomatic norms was created largely by East Asian powers and their former colonies, and Fulin has felt left out. Eager to exercise it muscle, Fulin has increasingly come into soft conflict with some states willing to defend the status quo order (or their self-interest). For now, actual conflict is held off by the fact that both sides believe time is on their side; for the Fulinese, their extraordinary growth in economic development means that fighting tomorrow will be still safer than today, and for the former colonial powers and their allies, Fulin’s gradual integration into the existing state of things is a given. Yet hotheads also exist on both sides- while never a Fulinese ally by any means, the recent Taishokuan(Jewish Arabian) support for a Fulinese revolt in Cyprus has taken leaders on both sides aback and made the threat of escalation all to real.
- “Foreigners are often surprised that, despite Fulin’s long and exotic history, the country has historically had no name. The earliest name for the state which now appears in our textbooks as Fulin was in its own time called ’Roma,’ though this is in fact the name of the first Capitol city. Subsequent dynasties continued the tradition of naming the state synonymously with the capital city; Mediolanum, Byzantion, Salona, Tarancorum have all been names of this state at one point in at least one point in history. The modern name, Maremediaterras, meaning ‘Land of the Middle Sea’ is a recent invention,supported by a government eager to prove that it has ended a dynastic past and is headed towards the future of a modern state.” -Bao Luen, historian at Chang’an University.
Recent history has seen a reverse of this trend- although humiliated at the hands of Japanese trade ships, the Romans/Fulinese (as they are called here) managed to avoid being directly ruled by any Asian power, and now have combined sheer size in land and population with recent scientific breakthroughs in industrial technology, genetic engineering, and more meritocratic economic reforms to become the single largest economy in the world and one of the largest trading partners of most states. Despite its size, the modern ‘world order’ of diplomatic norms was created largely by East Asian powers and their former colonies, and Fulin has felt left out. Eager to exercise it muscle, Fulin has increasingly come into soft conflict with some states willing to defend the status quo order (or their self-interest). For now, actual conflict is held off by the fact that both sides believe time is on their side; for the Fulinese, their extraordinary growth in economic development means that fighting tomorrow will be still safer than today, and for the former colonial powers and their allies, Fulin’s gradual integration into the existing state of things is a given. Yet hotheads also exist on both sides- while never a Fulinese ally by any means, the recent Taishokuan(Jewish Arabian) support for a Fulinese revolt in Cyprus has taken leaders on both sides aback and made the threat of escalation all to real.
Sweet!
I think that should be *North China or *South China at least: any east Asia with a unified China is going to be largely unipolar if technology and political organization levels are comparable.
I think that should be *North China or *South China at least: any east Asia with a unified China is going to be largely unipolar if technology and political organization levels are comparable.
Although my fondness for non-conventional scenarios means I enjoy the notion of neutral fascist Italy building it's little block of right-wing dictatorships post WWII, I don't really find the Italian sphere in the Balkans stretching beyond Greece, Albania, Former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria very plausible, and even Bulgaria is a bit of a stretch. Until the cold war really sets in, the US is unlikely to look favorably at Fascist Italy taking advantage of the fall of Nazi Germany to do some empire-building of its own, and of course the Soviets will be very unhappy - unhappy enough to establish facts on the ground in defiance of any Italian claims, and frankly, against the Soviet army that had emerged from three years of fighting the bulk of the Nazi forces, any unpracticed Italian forces dispatched east would be little more than a speed bump.
It was a historic claim from WWI, which I’d assume would be a territorial demand by Bulgaria against Romania in the various post war treaties. Budjak would be annexed by the Soviets along with the rest of Bessarabia as per their OTL claims.
I made the assumption that Hungary had really gained as much as it realistically could by 41’ and had little to gain hopping on Barbarossa. Especially considering most assumed the Nazis would beat the Soviets come what may. With the viable alternative of Italy, I could easily see Horthy resisting Nazi demands, and instead consolidating what they’d gained.
so let's add some third rome
Exactly which Third Romes did you add? I can see the Spanish, Ottoman, Italian and Russian empires, are there any more here?
The North American League
“There is no dispute big enough to break America.” – Sir Winston Churchill, 1903
The War of Southern Independence was to be the thing that broke America. Surely, thought observers from Europe, after the bloodiest war in the history of the Western Hemisphere, a war in which every citizen rallied to the flag and decried the enemy as evil, the people of the United States and Confederate States could never again come under a single banner. Yet, only months after the Confederates marched into Philadelphia, the administration of Former General George McClellan, treaties of friendship were freely signed between north and south. The next several decades became known as the Age of Reconciliation, and with the exception of a number of New England radicals backing the dwindling Republican Party, most Americans, north and south, simply wished to get on with their lives and restore relationships between cousins. The issue of slavery proved a sore point in a world that increasingly subscribed to the tenets of equality for all men, but the abolition of slavery in the Confederacy in 1895 (though it was replaced by a perhaps more repressive system for nominally free ex-slaves) was greeted by parades through the streets of Northern cities and, in 1897, the signature of a military alliance between Presidents Quay and Wheeler. Historians and politicians sought to reframe the War between the States as a misunderstanding between American brothers and as a mistake that was never to be repeated. The creation of US-CS ties brought, along with the invention of the telegraph, trans-national families that hoped never to see such a bloody war. United and Confederate soldiers fought side by side in a number of conflicts in the Caribbean in the late 19th and early 20th century, forging bonds between the militaries of both countries that made them loath to ever pick up arms against each other. Paradoxically, the hatred of the British brought on by their support of the South during its war of independence never dissipated, despite the warming of relations with the Confederacy. As the Global War raged across Europe and Africa, a wave of Anglophobia took the American states by storm. When war with Britain broke out in the aftermath of the Malacca Crisis, men from New York and Virginia marched together into Canada and fought together as comrades to storm the cliffs of Ottawa, brave the Jungles of Guinea, and finally land on the beaches of Wales. The acquisition of Canada by the United States was cheered just as loudly in Richmond as it was in Washington and border guards turned their heads as massive parties carried on for days upon news of British capitulation.
Following the Global War, United-Confederate cooperation reached a new high. Trade increased while the border became increasingly porous. The great universities of north and south became open to students of both nations and it was not uncommon for the children of the ruling class to make cross-border friendships in this way. The dream of American unification was first widely expounded in ‘The American Nation’, a 1937 book by Harold Anderson of the United States. In it, he labelled America as a nation that should unify and take its place among the great powers. Partially in response to Anderson, the North American Trade and Customs Association was founded in 1938 to ease international commerce. Throughout the prosperous 1940s, further cries for unification were made and, in 1957, the North American League was created to replace the Trade and Customs Association and provide a framework for eventual unification between the United States and Confederate States. The spirit of cooperation was further enhanced by the Alaskan Revolution of 1969 and the ensuing Straits Crisis as Anglo-Alaskans of US and CS descent deposed the Russian colonial authorities and succeeded in warning off a Russian fleet eager to restore order to that rebellious province. The long-awaited unification came in 1975, just one year shy of the bicentennial of the Declaration of Independence as the United States, Confederate States, and newly-founded Republic of Alaska were subsumed into the new North American League. Each constituent state would have considerable autonomy, but all would come under the control of a unicameral North American Congress comprised of delegations from each state. Joining the US,CS, and Alaska was the State of the Indians, the former Confederate Indian Territory, the only spot in North America remaining under native rule, and, therefore, not given the status of a state of the Confederacy.
The North American League has survived the past half century without any major hiccups showing that Sir Winston Churchill’s assessment of America was correct in that it could not be kept separate for long. Differences between the League’s constituent states have become apparent in Congressional debates, particularly over issues with stark regional divides like abortion, in which the CS is very liberal, yet, these issues are superficial and for every dispute there are dozens of examples of positive cooperation between the nations of North America: a joint space program put Leaguers as the first men on the moon, while a United States victory in the World Rugby Championships was celebrated continent-wide. Truly, the American nation has a bright future ahead of it.
“There is no dispute big enough to break America.” – Sir Winston Churchill, 1903
The War of Southern Independence was to be the thing that broke America. Surely, thought observers from Europe, after the bloodiest war in the history of the Western Hemisphere, a war in which every citizen rallied to the flag and decried the enemy as evil, the people of the United States and Confederate States could never again come under a single banner. Yet, only months after the Confederates marched into Philadelphia, the administration of Former General George McClellan, treaties of friendship were freely signed between north and south. The next several decades became known as the Age of Reconciliation, and with the exception of a number of New England radicals backing the dwindling Republican Party, most Americans, north and south, simply wished to get on with their lives and restore relationships between cousins. The issue of slavery proved a sore point in a world that increasingly subscribed to the tenets of equality for all men, but the abolition of slavery in the Confederacy in 1895 (though it was replaced by a perhaps more repressive system for nominally free ex-slaves) was greeted by parades through the streets of Northern cities and, in 1897, the signature of a military alliance between Presidents Quay and Wheeler. Historians and politicians sought to reframe the War between the States as a misunderstanding between American brothers and as a mistake that was never to be repeated. The creation of US-CS ties brought, along with the invention of the telegraph, trans-national families that hoped never to see such a bloody war. United and Confederate soldiers fought side by side in a number of conflicts in the Caribbean in the late 19th and early 20th century, forging bonds between the militaries of both countries that made them loath to ever pick up arms against each other. Paradoxically, the hatred of the British brought on by their support of the South during its war of independence never dissipated, despite the warming of relations with the Confederacy. As the Global War raged across Europe and Africa, a wave of Anglophobia took the American states by storm. When war with Britain broke out in the aftermath of the Malacca Crisis, men from New York and Virginia marched together into Canada and fought together as comrades to storm the cliffs of Ottawa, brave the Jungles of Guinea, and finally land on the beaches of Wales. The acquisition of Canada by the United States was cheered just as loudly in Richmond as it was in Washington and border guards turned their heads as massive parties carried on for days upon news of British capitulation.
Following the Global War, United-Confederate cooperation reached a new high. Trade increased while the border became increasingly porous. The great universities of north and south became open to students of both nations and it was not uncommon for the children of the ruling class to make cross-border friendships in this way. The dream of American unification was first widely expounded in ‘The American Nation’, a 1937 book by Harold Anderson of the United States. In it, he labelled America as a nation that should unify and take its place among the great powers. Partially in response to Anderson, the North American Trade and Customs Association was founded in 1938 to ease international commerce. Throughout the prosperous 1940s, further cries for unification were made and, in 1957, the North American League was created to replace the Trade and Customs Association and provide a framework for eventual unification between the United States and Confederate States. The spirit of cooperation was further enhanced by the Alaskan Revolution of 1969 and the ensuing Straits Crisis as Anglo-Alaskans of US and CS descent deposed the Russian colonial authorities and succeeded in warning off a Russian fleet eager to restore order to that rebellious province. The long-awaited unification came in 1975, just one year shy of the bicentennial of the Declaration of Independence as the United States, Confederate States, and newly-founded Republic of Alaska were subsumed into the new North American League. Each constituent state would have considerable autonomy, but all would come under the control of a unicameral North American Congress comprised of delegations from each state. Joining the US,CS, and Alaska was the State of the Indians, the former Confederate Indian Territory, the only spot in North America remaining under native rule, and, therefore, not given the status of a state of the Confederacy.
The North American League has survived the past half century without any major hiccups showing that Sir Winston Churchill’s assessment of America was correct in that it could not be kept separate for long. Differences between the League’s constituent states have become apparent in Congressional debates, particularly over issues with stark regional divides like abortion, in which the CS is very liberal, yet, these issues are superficial and for every dispute there are dozens of examples of positive cooperation between the nations of North America: a joint space program put Leaguers as the first men on the moon, while a United States victory in the World Rugby Championships was celebrated continent-wide. Truly, the American nation has a bright future ahead of it.
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