Okay the way I'm going to do this in is with one country at a time and follow their course up until 1939. We will cover the Interwar period, the depression, the rise of Communism and fascism, and we will see again as the world descends back to the darkness of another World War.
Maximilian's legacy: Interwar and Post World War 2
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I'm looking forward to seeing how Mexico, the USA, the British government-in-exile, and all the other countries are doing during this period.
Aside from this, you should also cover the current situation in Europe in the aftermath of WW1 and the interwar period as there are a lot to cover considering the altered territories of Europe with a Central Powers victory.
Also on a smaller note, maybe the situations of the Union of Britain, the Dominion of Canada and the remaining Crown Colonies of the British as well.
Im also look forward to see how France and Italy were altered in this timeline since both were not fragmented yet and managed to avert the Communist uprising and stay in one piece, unlike their Kaiserreich TL counterparts.
Also on a smaller note, maybe the situations of the Union of Britain, the Dominion of Canada and the remaining Crown Colonies of the British as well.
Im also look forward to see how France and Italy were altered in this timeline since both were not fragmented yet and managed to avert the Communist uprising and stay in one piece, unlike their Kaiserreich TL counterparts.
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Well on that, its actually pretty reasonable, although the US will definitely doubled their defense budget and planning out their warplans to deal with both Mexico and Japan. So yeah, you will see the American Fleet definitely expanded further with the Big Navy Act being prioritized to prepare themselves to avoid being sandwhiched by the two giants. So, its likely that the US will have more ships than both Mexico and Japan, especially in aircraft carrier construction as the other two powers mainly focused on battleships and battlecruisers instead.
But since Mexico ITTL kinda acted like the OTL Britain, i can see the Americans will ended up being allies to the Mexicans instead. With Roosevelt Good Neighbor Act, the relations of the two would improve significantly and this could be a starting point for a future Mexican-American Alliance against Japan in the Pacific.
Also I think the notion of America keep referring to Mexico ITTL as “brown” sounds like more of a racist stereotype since their white European population is just as large, probably larger than mestizos and natives due to the huge waves of immigrations from Europe near the end of 19th century.
My guess is that lot of German-Mexicans ITTL especially would be infuriates when the American Newspaper headlines keep generalizing Mexicans as “brown”.
But since Mexico ITTL kinda acted like the OTL Britain, i can see the Americans will ended up being allies to the Mexicans instead. With Roosevelt Good Neighbor Act, the relations of the two would improve significantly and this could be a starting point for a future Mexican-American Alliance against Japan in the Pacific.
Also I think the notion of America keep referring to Mexico ITTL as “brown” sounds like more of a racist stereotype since their white European population is just as large, probably larger than mestizos and natives due to the huge waves of immigrations from Europe near the end of 19th century.
My guess is that lot of German-Mexicans ITTL especially would be infuriates when the American Newspaper headlines keep generalizing Mexicans as “brown”.
On another note, its pretty ironic to see the Second Mexican Empire ITTL acted in pretty much the same way British Empire did after WW2 in terms of their colonial administration.
Some of their colonies with white majority like the United South Africa and Rhodesia as was granted self-governing and a great deal of autonomy much the British Dominions, and like the British Empire, the Mexicans only left a few supervisors behind in India to observe the Raj government in their occupied territories.
Also, unlike the previous French occupiers, the Mexican Indochina would definitely received more fundings for colonial developments to counter the encroaching Japanese in the North, these colonies also served as much better alternatives than previous Formosa and Islas Pescadores in terms of resources and manpower.
Vietnam in particular would have served as a perfect docking place for the Mexican Pacific Fleet, especially in the strategic Cam Ranh Bay, one of the best deepwater shelter in Asia, making the place very useful for the establishment of a naval port for the Capital ships of the Marina Imperial and acted as a fleet-in-being against the Japanese naval power in the Pacific. (This is basically the Mexican’s equivalent to Singapore, a Gibraltar of the East)
In terms of treatments of the natives, my guess here is pretty much a largely “laissez faire” attitudes toward them/ The only exception case in here would be the Arabs as they have proven to be prone to rebel and not very tolerant with towards the more Catholic colonial administration of Mexicans.
Some of their colonies with white majority like the United South Africa and Rhodesia as was granted self-governing and a great deal of autonomy much the British Dominions, and like the British Empire, the Mexicans only left a few supervisors behind in India to observe the Raj government in their occupied territories.
Also, unlike the previous French occupiers, the Mexican Indochina would definitely received more fundings for colonial developments to counter the encroaching Japanese in the North, these colonies also served as much better alternatives than previous Formosa and Islas Pescadores in terms of resources and manpower.
Vietnam in particular would have served as a perfect docking place for the Mexican Pacific Fleet, especially in the strategic Cam Ranh Bay, one of the best deepwater shelter in Asia, making the place very useful for the establishment of a naval port for the Capital ships of the Marina Imperial and acted as a fleet-in-being against the Japanese naval power in the Pacific. (This is basically the Mexican’s equivalent to Singapore, a Gibraltar of the East)
In terms of treatments of the natives, my guess here is pretty much a largely “laissez faire” attitudes toward them/ The only exception case in here would be the Arabs as they have proven to be prone to rebel and not very tolerant with towards the more Catholic colonial administration of Mexicans.
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This, my friend, is no longer the Mexican Empire, its the Spanish Empire 2.0, but this time a lot more tolerable, democratic and no Spanish Inquisition.
The irony thing about this Mexican Empire ITTL to me is that they basically copied the British as their role model on how to maintain a maritime empire across the globe. It is more liberal than the US, and as a nation, Mexico is much more democratic during this period than its European counterparts like Austria-Hungary or the Ottoman in Mid-East.
They gave equal rights to both the natives and the people of color way before US did (courtesy of Emperor Maximilian the First). They also gave more equality for women while at the same time pretty lenient toward their colonies despite being a Catholic nation.
And just like the USA, Second Mexican Empire in North America is a melting pot of cultures. Hispanics, Germans, Polish, Italians, Austrians and Irish as the main dominant European ethnic groups while also having the mestizos and the natives as well as other people of color (Asians and black Africans) on the smaller percentage of the population.
This really does screams like Mexico is emulating the British ITTL to me, and the only thing left now for the Empire is to befriend with the US and finally become fire-forged friends with them in the Second Weltkrieg.
For that you will need a fast battleship or a battlecruiser with 16inch guns or 18inch guns.
My idea is basically let the US and Mexican Empire formed an alliance together against the Japanese threat so that the Mexican fleet can get access to this.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk2.php
Or this, as the US would later prefer using smaller 406mm guns with Super Heavy Shells could do the same penetration performance like the Japanese 460mm. This gun was rejected by the US Navy but could provided the Mexican ships sufficient firepower to go toe to toe against the Yamato class.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_18-48_mk1.php
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk2.php
Or this, as the US would later prefer using smaller 406mm guns with Super Heavy Shells could do the same penetration performance like the Japanese 460mm. This gun was rejected by the US Navy but could provided the Mexican ships sufficient firepower to go toe to toe against the Yamato class.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_18-48_mk1.php
There can't be a Vichy france, could be still the third republic, the fourth, of the fifty-fifth
Basically instead of a Communist Union of Britain, its a Fascist Union of Britain.
Also Im glad you saved the HMS Hood ITTL, the ship is simply too beautiful and magnificent to be scrapped away, I supposed that the Treaty of Berlin allowed Britain to spare and complete the Hood just in time for her trials then was used for evacuating the Royal Family out of London.
My guess is that the Hood ITTL is experiencing what the SMS Goeben faced through OTL in Turkey. Both ships was supposed to be handed to the victors after the war but because of the chaotic situation of their countries, the previous Treaty conditions were dropped and in this case, the Central Powers just simply signed a new Treaty with the Commonwealth of Britain and let them have the ship as part of the conditions in the new Treaty.
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Here is another picture for this timeline, a post-war commemorating postcard depicting the four Emperors of the victorious Central Powers of the Great War.
From left to right: Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, Kaiser Franz Josef I of Austria-Hungary, Sultan Mehmed V of Ottoman Empire and lastly, Emperor Agustín II of Second Mexican Empire.
(Too bad i couldn't find any photo of Agustin in uniforms, so this will have to do)
The phrase below in the postcard reads:"Vereinte Kräfte führen zum Ziel" (United powers lead to the goal)
From left to right: Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, Kaiser Franz Josef I of Austria-Hungary, Sultan Mehmed V of Ottoman Empire and lastly, Emperor Agustín II of Second Mexican Empire.
(Too bad i couldn't find any photo of Agustin in uniforms, so this will have to do)
The phrase below in the postcard reads:"Vereinte Kräfte führen zum Ziel" (United powers lead to the goal)
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I think by this time, the Soviet Union would actually be an industrial powerhouse like the OTL, it did managed to industrialized but the cost is millions of people starved to death in collective farms.The SU of the interwar period would also traded with the Central Powers for awhile to get more imported goods, which could still possible.
Perhaps having a Japanese-Soviet military cooperations where Japan provided technical supports for SU in naval developments and development of tanks in exchange for resources, bear in mind that this too, happened OTL between Germany and Soviet Union way before Hitler decided to invade it as well.
Its actually pretty likely for two politically opposed nations to work together as the economy and material needs outweigh their ideologies so both Japan and SU can agreed to cooperate to a certain extent.
Perhaps having a Japanese-Soviet military cooperations where Japan provided technical supports for SU in naval developments and development of tanks in exchange for resources, bear in mind that this too, happened OTL between Germany and Soviet Union way before Hitler decided to invade it as well.
Its actually pretty likely for two politically opposed nations to work together as the economy and material needs outweigh their ideologies so both Japan and SU can agreed to cooperate to a certain extent.
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On this you can also have the Soviet Union secretly funding and sending arms to those colonies under Central Powers control in the Far East, Mid East or the ones in Africa. With the 1929 Recession kicked in, there are alot of socialist and nationalistic independent movements happened in their societies due to the poor economy and the mistreatments from the local administrations in these matters only made it worse, so with these Empires tighten their grips on the colonists, it gave them a reasons to hate these Empire and they would gladly pick up arms from SU to wage war.
In additions, having the Union of Britain occupied Ireland and then Iceland alongside a few Scandinavian nations (except Sweden) while their French ally occupy the Low countries in the initial phase of the war.
Not only that but there could also be a few more uprisings in India against both Britain and France, with the supports of SU and Chinese communists, in particular, this Indian man here could be the one in charge of Azad Hind, an Indian armed independence movements against the German Empire and Mexican Empire through fascism ideology ITTL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose
By the time war broke out, the Mexican Empire will have to deal not just the SU, but also those rebelling colonies that had been influenced by the "godless communists and fascists" that got supports from the Fascist Europe and Soviet Union who wants to spread disruption of orders and prosperity of Pax Mexicana. Another twist in here that can be done is that Japan sided with the Fascists in order to conquest the Mexican and German colonies in the Pacific through the idea of Pan-Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere.
In additions, having the Union of Britain occupied Ireland and then Iceland alongside a few Scandinavian nations (except Sweden) while their French ally occupy the Low countries in the initial phase of the war.
Not only that but there could also be a few more uprisings in India against both Britain and France, with the supports of SU and Chinese communists, in particular, this Indian man here could be the one in charge of Azad Hind, an Indian armed independence movements against the German Empire and Mexican Empire through fascism ideology ITTL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose
By the time war broke out, the Mexican Empire will have to deal not just the SU, but also those rebelling colonies that had been influenced by the "godless communists and fascists" that got supports from the Fascist Europe and Soviet Union who wants to spread disruption of orders and prosperity of Pax Mexicana. Another twist in here that can be done is that Japan sided with the Fascists in order to conquest the Mexican and German colonies in the Pacific through the idea of Pan-Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere.
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another point i would like to mention, have the USA and Mexican Empire signed a political alliance together that marked the end of the two nations animosity and turned into allies, much like how Britain and France "Entente Cordiale" works. These political agreements would proved to be a tremendous boost for the relations of the Mexican Empire and the United States of America from early 1920s to 1930s, with both nations ended the previous conflicts and incidents happened between them and entered an age of peace and the two great powers could now use this alliance as a counter against the growing Japanese Empire in the Pacific instead.
Mexico would acknowledged the US sovereignty over Cuba and Puerto Rico, Navassa Islands and Virgin Islands, in exchange, the US would acknowledged Belize, Santo Dominigo, former French Guiana in the Caribbean Sea. This would also proved to be quite vital for both nations as the US doesnt have any other Great power ally in this period (Commonwealth of Britain is now a second-rate power), while the neutral Brazillian Empire basically have ostracized Mexico in their relations since the Portuguese massacre in the Great War. This is how Roosevelt "Good Neighbor Policy" could evolved into a full "Entente Cordiale" for these two Great Powers lies next to one another,
This North American "Entente Cordiale" would gives both Mexico and USA some security against the growing threat of the Soviet Union, but most importantly, to act as an alliance to counter the increasingly belligerent Empire of Japan in the Pacific. This alliance would later proved its effect with both the Second Mexican Empire and USA engaged in military exercises and discussions together, then culminated in a confirmed solidarity at the outbreak of the Second Weltkrieg and its aftermath. One of the best achievement that this "Entente Cordiale" alliance did was a successful coordination in an invasion of the British Isles with helps of the Commonwealth of Great Britain that brought back the British Royal Family from overseas after decades in exile. However its most victorious moment would be the contributions to the end of the Japanese naval supremacy in the Pacific throughout the war.
Mexico would acknowledged the US sovereignty over Cuba and Puerto Rico, Navassa Islands and Virgin Islands, in exchange, the US would acknowledged Belize, Santo Dominigo, former French Guiana in the Caribbean Sea. This would also proved to be quite vital for both nations as the US doesnt have any other Great power ally in this period (Commonwealth of Britain is now a second-rate power), while the neutral Brazillian Empire basically have ostracized Mexico in their relations since the Portuguese massacre in the Great War. This is how Roosevelt "Good Neighbor Policy" could evolved into a full "Entente Cordiale" for these two Great Powers lies next to one another,
This North American "Entente Cordiale" would gives both Mexico and USA some security against the growing threat of the Soviet Union, but most importantly, to act as an alliance to counter the increasingly belligerent Empire of Japan in the Pacific. This alliance would later proved its effect with both the Second Mexican Empire and USA engaged in military exercises and discussions together, then culminated in a confirmed solidarity at the outbreak of the Second Weltkrieg and its aftermath. One of the best achievement that this "Entente Cordiale" alliance did was a successful coordination in an invasion of the British Isles with helps of the Commonwealth of Great Britain that brought back the British Royal Family from overseas after decades in exile. However its most victorious moment would be the contributions to the end of the Japanese naval supremacy in the Pacific throughout the war.
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