Just came across something absolutely paradoxical in Africa: to get all the Toubou people into Chad, where the majority of them lives in OTL, the country's borders with Libya and Niger would need to be even straighter than they're already. 
Map Thread XIX
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It's on Rome, you can see it. (Of course it's a reference to Pope Francis, born in Argentina as Jorge Bergoglio)
Spanish Equatorial Guinea was actually administered from Buenos Aires during colonial times, as part of the Viceroyaltly of the Rio de La Plata. Few people know about it today. The map is obviously tongue in cheek, but think of it as an associated state.
We are literally that desperate for realistic but rather divergent maps that are set in the modern day.
Because on the Internet, a random thing thrown together at the last minute inevitably gets more attention and popularity than a genuine labour of love. 'S just the way it is.
Bruh, that's pretty deep.Because on the Internet, a random thing thrown together at the last minute inevitably gets more attention and popularity than a genuine labour of love. 'S just the way it is.
Ephraim Ben Raphael
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This is beautiful. It is genuine art, and I mean that to refer to both the map and the background.
So, something I've been working on a long time now. The Hundred Days' War, the ongoing conflict that's poised to end Benin-Oyo fascism once and for all!
The imgur fire is larger but it's not letting me post it here so I'll link it.
(I know there's a few issues with the gif, but I'm actually quite proud. Looking forward to listening to comments, opinions and questions!)
The imgur fire is larger but it's not letting me post it here so I'll link it.
(I know there's a few issues with the gif, but I'm actually quite proud. Looking forward to listening to comments, opinions and questions!)
Awesome, though I must ask, what program did you use to animate this?So, something I've been working on a long time now. The Hundred Days' War, the ongoing conflict that's poised to end Benin-Oyo fascism once and for all!
The imgur fire is larger but it's not letting me post it here so I'll link it.
(I know there's a few issues with the gif, but I'm actually quite proud. Looking forward to listening to comments, opinions and questions!)
Map of the Americas ca. 1860
States:
- Delaware (1787)
- Pennsylvania (1787)
- New Jersey (1787)
- Georgia (1788) (Seceded)
- Connecticut (1788)
- Massachusetts (1788)
- Maryland (1788)
- South Carolina (1788) (Seceded)
- New Hampshire (1788)
- Virginia (1788)
- New York (1788)
- North Carolina (1789) (Seceded)
- Rhode Island (1790)
- Vermont (1791)
- Kentucky (1792) (Seceded)
- Tennessee (1796) (Seceded)
- Ohio (1803)
- Louisiana (1812) (Seceded)
- Indiana (1816)
- Illinois (1818)
- Maine (1820)
- Missouri (1821) (Seceded)
- Mississippi (1824) (Seceded)
- West Florida (1825) (Seceded)
- Arkansas (1826) (Seceded)
- Texas (1833) (Seceded)
- Michigan (1835)
- Cuba (1839)
- East Florida (1844) (Seceded)
- Iowa (1846)
- California (1846)
- Pecos (1846) (Seceded)
- Wisconsin (1848)
- Lakota (1853)
- Hawai'i (1854)
- Oregon (1856)
- Kansas (1859)
- Superior (1860)
Territories:
- Dakota Territory
- Nebraska Territory
- Columbia Territory
- Sierra Nevada Territory
- Utah Territory
- Hamilton Territory
- Indian Territory (Seceded)
- Arizona Territory
- Aztlán Territory
- Colorado Territory
- Jamaica Territory
- Yucatán Territory
The Confederate States of America
States:
- South Carolina (1860)
- Georgia (1860)
- Tennessee (1860)
- East Florida (1860)
- West Florida (1860)
- Louisiana (1860)
- Texas (1860)
- North Carolina (1861)
- Kentucky (1861)
- Missouri (1861) (State of Rebellion)
- Arkansas (1861)
- Pecos (1861)
Territories:
- Cimarron Territory
- Indian Territory (State of Rebellion)
This is the latest map from my ongoing alternate timeline A More Perfect Union: An Alternate History of the Land of the Free, which takes a look at a world where Thomas Jefferson's proposed thirteenth grievance leveled against King George III that decried slavery makes it into the Declaration of Independence, and, as a result, produces a much freer and equal United States. This map shows the very beginning of the American Civil War, before all hell breaks loose. The war, however, is not fought over slavery (which ITTL ended in 1839 due to the butterflying of Eli Whitney's cotton gin), but rather equal rights, as one of the catalysts for TTL's Civil War is the Civil Rights Movement of the 1850s, spearheaded by Frederick Douglass (who is, as of 1860, the vice-president to President Abraham Lincoln).
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I made the PNG files individually, then stitched them up in some online site. I really didn't know any other way, haha
Fascinating. And is that Saddam's wet dream I spot in Iraq? And whatever happened to Arabia?
I dub it the Africa effect--people are endlessly (and rightfully) fascinated about parts of the world that almost never get AH exposure, Africa being one of them.
Complete ASB story that hasn't had much work put into it but meh
In 1982 the world changed forever. An Argentinian ship that had been carrying supplies to the occupying force in the Falklands was blown off course massively towards Antarctica. Both the Argentinian military and the ship lost radio contact with each-other soon after but an investigation of the disappearance didn’t being until after the war had ended. The Argentinians sent a destroyer down south to look for this boat and came across its wreckage instead. The Argentinians thought it to have been a British sub that had hit the ship but the UK government denied any military action taking place near Antarctica. The Argentinians were confused but decided to leave it be and towed the remains of the ship back to South America.
Once back in Argentina investigators entered the ship to find out what had happened and came across the remains off the crew that had been there, the investigators were shocked at the damage and devastation and wondered what could have possible done this, after all, polar bears only lived in the Arctic. The investigators followed a trail of bloody footsteps towards the meat locker, they opened the meat locker and found much of the meat missing entirely as well as the remaining cuts having had chunks torn out of it, then a noise was heard and the men moved over to look into it. Thats when all hell broke loose. The investigators found themselves faced with a hodgepodge creature with the legs of one of the men but with the entire upper torso being dominated by large never blinking eyes and clawed tentacles. The creature attacked and the soldiers lounging about outside jumped in shock as they heard the terrified screams of the men in the ship. The men waited outside the ship to fire at whatever came out and were soon confronted by three of those same horrors. The men fought the creatures and the creatures won and quickly the battle in the port was reported to the government. The government quickly found themselves reacting to the total occupation of the town of Viedma as the monsters ran rampant. The Argentines seemed to be at war once again.
The Argentinians having been recently on a war footing were prepared to an extent and managed to hold the line for a few months against the inhuman order while the rest of the world reacted with disbelief as pictures and videos showing the enemy entered the tv screens and newspapers of the people of Earth. Chile, although rivals of Argentina, quickly sent military aid to the embattled Argentineans. Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia all sent monetary and moral aid as they themselves prepared to defend themselves. Brazil moved troops southwards to prepare their own defence of their most important cities such as Sao Paolo and Rio. Reagan quickly used this as a rallying cry for his country and framed the conflict as one for the future of humanity and thus was allowed to begin sending huge amounts of equipment to both Argentina and its bordering nations. The west reacted much the same with the Thatcher government especially being frightful of having to fight for the Falklands again and permanently stationed a task force in the area. The Eastern bloc gave their sympathies while secretly attempting to make contact with these beings, though that plan was shelved after a KGB agent was eaten whole.
The creatures, codenamed HARPIES by NATO, overran the Argentinians in January of 1983, by March 30% of Argentinians had been ‘turned’ according to CIA observers and Pinochet’s government was preparing to enter a form of exile in Peru to the north as southern Chile was lost. Uruguay was lost in April and when it was confirmed that the creatures numbers had exceeded a million all the nations of South America officials declared war on the HARPIES. South America turned into a massive war zone as the Argentinian remnants and the Brazilians desperately defended Sao Paolo from being overrun and as the Peruvians and Bolivians attempted to keep them from getting through the Andes. In July coups had put military governments in charge of every nation in South America to better defend their nations but this wouldn’t prove to be enough. The Brazilians were falling back by September, completely ignoring the defence of Rio in favour of Brasilia, which lowered moral greatly when the troops heard the panicked radio reports coming out of the besieged city about cannibalism and the horrific process of turning a human into one of those abominations.
By 1986 the entire world was well aware of the HARPIES and the mass destruction they had caused in South America. Brazil had been pushed all the way back to the city of Salvador, the military junta having started a nuclear program to cleanse the occupied territories. The HARPIES had pushed well beyond Paraguay and Peru but were being held at Lima in the west and by the rainforest in the east. By now the USSR and USA had been sending ships down to Antarctica to investigate the origins of the creatures but every ship they sent never came back and after the debacle at Viedma 4 years earlier neither nation was willing to risk an invasion by actively searching for the lost ships.
The year now is 1989, the conflict in South America looks to be a never-ending war with the Brazilians, Peruvians and now the Ecuadorians, Venezuelans and Colombians entering a total-war system as they attempt to cleanse South America, backed by US arms and NATO advisors against a force compromising well over 15 million ex-people meaning they have no shortage of bodies to throw at the defences of Salvador or those of Lima. Brazil has constantly requested for the Americans to use their nuclear arsenal to wipe out concentrations of HARPIES but both the State Department refuses to do so out of fear of Soviet retaliation while both Pinochet and the governments of the occupied nations refuse to see their homes bathed in nuclear fire.
This world is much more militarised than our 1989 ever was, the Soviets, using the HARPIES as an excuse have gone down a hardline, Stalinist route and control the Warsaw Pact nations with an iron fist, and the West is happy to ignore the renewed gulag program and other human rights abuses as all interest is focused on South America’s fight for survival. The Soviets have succeeded in Afghanistan after the USA stopped supplying weapons to the Mujahideen to better supply their embattled allies to the south. The USA might as well be on a war footing as Reagan has put in massive contracts for tanks, planes and guns, all to arm the South American nations in the fight for their lives. The Brazilians have the fourth largest airforce in the world right now to show the quantities of equipment being shipped to them. The UK has also been caught up in the conflict after the Falklands was attacked by those creatures, resulting in the island being completely abandoned by the UK, though a patrol does occur to sink any ships leaving or exerting the new exclusion zone surrounding the area. Crime has lowered massively in South America as it becomes the most militarised continent on earth, with every nation not afraid to attack any elements not fully cooperative to the ‘war effort’.
In Asia, Deng’s reforms are working well, but the economic boom time in China is less impressive than in OTL as the world economy has been shattered by the conflict in South America, one thing Deng can be sure of is that any crackdown on the growing democratic movement will be fully ignored by the west, the same way the Berlin Wall Massacre of June 1989 was when Stasi and GDR troops fired upon crowds of East Berliners attempting to get through the wall while the Western troops sat by and watched, NATO command being more focused on the likelihood of having to deploy to French Guyana should the worst come to pass. The Iraq-Iran war ended prematurely after both the USA and USSR forced both sides to the negotiating table as now the East and the West both agree that nothing is more important than making sure the HARPIES do not go beyond the current lines set up at Salvador, for if they do, they’ll inevitably reach the Panama Canal and effectively shut down the world economy when every cargo ship going through the canal is assaulted by the creatures, and that isn’t even counting on the fact that they’ll spread to the ship’s destination, extending the war to other parts of the world.
In 1982 the world changed forever. An Argentinian ship that had been carrying supplies to the occupying force in the Falklands was blown off course massively towards Antarctica. Both the Argentinian military and the ship lost radio contact with each-other soon after but an investigation of the disappearance didn’t being until after the war had ended. The Argentinians sent a destroyer down south to look for this boat and came across its wreckage instead. The Argentinians thought it to have been a British sub that had hit the ship but the UK government denied any military action taking place near Antarctica. The Argentinians were confused but decided to leave it be and towed the remains of the ship back to South America.
Once back in Argentina investigators entered the ship to find out what had happened and came across the remains off the crew that had been there, the investigators were shocked at the damage and devastation and wondered what could have possible done this, after all, polar bears only lived in the Arctic. The investigators followed a trail of bloody footsteps towards the meat locker, they opened the meat locker and found much of the meat missing entirely as well as the remaining cuts having had chunks torn out of it, then a noise was heard and the men moved over to look into it. Thats when all hell broke loose. The investigators found themselves faced with a hodgepodge creature with the legs of one of the men but with the entire upper torso being dominated by large never blinking eyes and clawed tentacles. The creature attacked and the soldiers lounging about outside jumped in shock as they heard the terrified screams of the men in the ship. The men waited outside the ship to fire at whatever came out and were soon confronted by three of those same horrors. The men fought the creatures and the creatures won and quickly the battle in the port was reported to the government. The government quickly found themselves reacting to the total occupation of the town of Viedma as the monsters ran rampant. The Argentines seemed to be at war once again.
The Argentinians having been recently on a war footing were prepared to an extent and managed to hold the line for a few months against the inhuman order while the rest of the world reacted with disbelief as pictures and videos showing the enemy entered the tv screens and newspapers of the people of Earth. Chile, although rivals of Argentina, quickly sent military aid to the embattled Argentineans. Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia all sent monetary and moral aid as they themselves prepared to defend themselves. Brazil moved troops southwards to prepare their own defence of their most important cities such as Sao Paolo and Rio. Reagan quickly used this as a rallying cry for his country and framed the conflict as one for the future of humanity and thus was allowed to begin sending huge amounts of equipment to both Argentina and its bordering nations. The west reacted much the same with the Thatcher government especially being frightful of having to fight for the Falklands again and permanently stationed a task force in the area. The Eastern bloc gave their sympathies while secretly attempting to make contact with these beings, though that plan was shelved after a KGB agent was eaten whole.
The creatures, codenamed HARPIES by NATO, overran the Argentinians in January of 1983, by March 30% of Argentinians had been ‘turned’ according to CIA observers and Pinochet’s government was preparing to enter a form of exile in Peru to the north as southern Chile was lost. Uruguay was lost in April and when it was confirmed that the creatures numbers had exceeded a million all the nations of South America officials declared war on the HARPIES. South America turned into a massive war zone as the Argentinian remnants and the Brazilians desperately defended Sao Paolo from being overrun and as the Peruvians and Bolivians attempted to keep them from getting through the Andes. In July coups had put military governments in charge of every nation in South America to better defend their nations but this wouldn’t prove to be enough. The Brazilians were falling back by September, completely ignoring the defence of Rio in favour of Brasilia, which lowered moral greatly when the troops heard the panicked radio reports coming out of the besieged city about cannibalism and the horrific process of turning a human into one of those abominations.
By 1986 the entire world was well aware of the HARPIES and the mass destruction they had caused in South America. Brazil had been pushed all the way back to the city of Salvador, the military junta having started a nuclear program to cleanse the occupied territories. The HARPIES had pushed well beyond Paraguay and Peru but were being held at Lima in the west and by the rainforest in the east. By now the USSR and USA had been sending ships down to Antarctica to investigate the origins of the creatures but every ship they sent never came back and after the debacle at Viedma 4 years earlier neither nation was willing to risk an invasion by actively searching for the lost ships.
The year now is 1989, the conflict in South America looks to be a never-ending war with the Brazilians, Peruvians and now the Ecuadorians, Venezuelans and Colombians entering a total-war system as they attempt to cleanse South America, backed by US arms and NATO advisors against a force compromising well over 15 million ex-people meaning they have no shortage of bodies to throw at the defences of Salvador or those of Lima. Brazil has constantly requested for the Americans to use their nuclear arsenal to wipe out concentrations of HARPIES but both the State Department refuses to do so out of fear of Soviet retaliation while both Pinochet and the governments of the occupied nations refuse to see their homes bathed in nuclear fire.
This world is much more militarised than our 1989 ever was, the Soviets, using the HARPIES as an excuse have gone down a hardline, Stalinist route and control the Warsaw Pact nations with an iron fist, and the West is happy to ignore the renewed gulag program and other human rights abuses as all interest is focused on South America’s fight for survival. The Soviets have succeeded in Afghanistan after the USA stopped supplying weapons to the Mujahideen to better supply their embattled allies to the south. The USA might as well be on a war footing as Reagan has put in massive contracts for tanks, planes and guns, all to arm the South American nations in the fight for their lives. The Brazilians have the fourth largest airforce in the world right now to show the quantities of equipment being shipped to them. The UK has also been caught up in the conflict after the Falklands was attacked by those creatures, resulting in the island being completely abandoned by the UK, though a patrol does occur to sink any ships leaving or exerting the new exclusion zone surrounding the area. Crime has lowered massively in South America as it becomes the most militarised continent on earth, with every nation not afraid to attack any elements not fully cooperative to the ‘war effort’.
In Asia, Deng’s reforms are working well, but the economic boom time in China is less impressive than in OTL as the world economy has been shattered by the conflict in South America, one thing Deng can be sure of is that any crackdown on the growing democratic movement will be fully ignored by the west, the same way the Berlin Wall Massacre of June 1989 was when Stasi and GDR troops fired upon crowds of East Berliners attempting to get through the wall while the Western troops sat by and watched, NATO command being more focused on the likelihood of having to deploy to French Guyana should the worst come to pass. The Iraq-Iran war ended prematurely after both the USA and USSR forced both sides to the negotiating table as now the East and the West both agree that nothing is more important than making sure the HARPIES do not go beyond the current lines set up at Salvador, for if they do, they’ll inevitably reach the Panama Canal and effectively shut down the world economy when every cargo ship going through the canal is assaulted by the creatures, and that isn’t even counting on the fact that they’ll spread to the ship’s destination, extending the war to other parts of the world.
This is Beautiful scenario mate.Complete ASB story that hasn't had much work put into it but meh
Hows religion holding up?
How many people do you reckon died so far?
Is the war winnable?
Ephraim Ben Raphael
Banned
Complete ASB story that hasn't had much work put into it but meh
Whoah, the Thing. We're pretty screwed in the long-run aren't we?
1. I haven't really thought of religion much but considering how religious a lot of South America is and the evangelicalism of people like Reagan, I'm pretty sure religion is probably quite strong here as the war can be construed as a kind of war against demons I guess? I dunno really.
2. Well the math I was going with was that 30% of a nations population would be turned into the creatures, the rest would either run away or be eaten, so probably around 40-60ish million, so around the level of ww2 basically. This has probably made my scenario less plausible as I'm sure much of the world would do much more than merely give weapons if the destruction was that bad.
3. Yeah it's winnable I think, especially if WMDs are brought out to wipe out concentrations of them. Otherwise the creatures only have a finite amount of 'soldiers' and these things aren't able to do much with range or whatever so as long as the army can keep their distance, humans should be fine.
Thanks for replying, its always nice to get feedback and questions that make me think more about the scenario itself.
I don't think so, as I said to Ameck16, the war is winnable especially if the big boys bring out some WMDs and as long as the army keeps its distance from the melee only creatures, I mean the Thing was beaten in the movie, and that was by some dudes with a flamethrower, so imagine what a well-equipped army could do
Something very different, courtesy of u/sjdubya from reddit (thobewill from DeviantArt): The Centauri Highway, an incredible stellar map set in a very hard sci-fi universe, showcasing human expansion from Earth to Alpha Centauri 12,000 years in the future.
There are so many concepts here that I love: a slow and steady "diffusion" across the interstellar void instead of rapid point-to-point expansion, rogue planets being widely settled and transformed into rest stops and trading outposts on a nascent STL "highway" connecting two star systems, colonists preferring space-based instead of planetary settlement even when they've reached another star, an actually realistic timeframe for interstellar colonisation where thousand-year old colonies are considered "young" - it's just such an unique and fantastically detailed work.
Not with a Bang, but a Whimper
Many thought Humanity would conquer space in an explosive series of daring interstellar leaps, launching huge generation ships full of tens of thousands of colonists to distant stars. Unfortunately, the realities of interstellar travel make these schemes extremely expensive and conducive to failure. Accelerating anything massive to significant fractions of the speed of light is devilishly difficult, and keeping machinery in working order over centuries and millennia with no spare parts is possibly even harder. People tried to leap to the stars, but most often they tripped and fell. Lightsail probes visited other stars, but it seemed for humans, the stars were mostly out of reach.
However, interstellar space, while profoundly empty, is not that empty at all. For every star, an estimated 100,000 rogue bodies over 400km in radius lurk in interstellar space. As the inner system filled up, and the good worlds were taken, people settled for less good ones, and looked outward. Slowly, humanity pushed outward like a slime mold, taking the slow path of least resistance to the stars.
What's Old is New Again
One percent of the speed of light is about as fast as most people travel anymore, and only when in a hurry. Some top of the line trade ships can do 0.05c, but the fuel costs are astronomical and only economical over shorter trips. The void between stars is criss-crossed with human settlements on dark bodies, lit only by artificial lights and the flickering fusion drives of migrants and traders. Information, goods, and genes diffuse slowly throughout the network, making trade routes important for the first time in human history since the information age. Speed of light delays and poor infrastructure means news travels slowly, and must be relayed and bargained for, as in the old times. People changed, both in their customs and in their biology, as humanity adapted itself to the sunless abyss. You might know a guy who knows a guy whose cousin met someone from the Inner System, but that's about as close as the contact gets; and most colonies are self-sufficient, trading with nearby worlds to get what they cannot make themselves.
Plugged In
11,800 years from now, in the year of Barnard's Star's closest approach (not visible in this slice) the Centauri Highway is well-developed. It could be traversed in a lifetime, and few make that pilgrimage their mission, gaining passage on merchant and migrant ships as they island hop their way to the stars. Most, however, rarely leave home. Only a millennium ago, the expansion wave, spreading in a spherical pattern at the pace of population pressure rather than that of the fastest ship, reached Alpha Centauri, and found it already inhabited, if sparsely, with people who left on daring voyages from the Inner System or from other parts unknown thousands of years before. Contact was a shock to both sides, but the connection of the Highway did a lot to develop the struggling colonies of the Alpha Centauri system. Now, Alpha Centauri, formerly an isolated island, only connected by periodic information transmissions and probes, is plugged into the heart of human civilization. Time will tell what changes this brings.
There are so many concepts here that I love: a slow and steady "diffusion" across the interstellar void instead of rapid point-to-point expansion, rogue planets being widely settled and transformed into rest stops and trading outposts on a nascent STL "highway" connecting two star systems, colonists preferring space-based instead of planetary settlement even when they've reached another star, an actually realistic timeframe for interstellar colonisation where thousand-year old colonies are considered "young" - it's just such an unique and fantastically detailed work.
Not with a Bang, but a Whimper
Many thought Humanity would conquer space in an explosive series of daring interstellar leaps, launching huge generation ships full of tens of thousands of colonists to distant stars. Unfortunately, the realities of interstellar travel make these schemes extremely expensive and conducive to failure. Accelerating anything massive to significant fractions of the speed of light is devilishly difficult, and keeping machinery in working order over centuries and millennia with no spare parts is possibly even harder. People tried to leap to the stars, but most often they tripped and fell. Lightsail probes visited other stars, but it seemed for humans, the stars were mostly out of reach.
However, interstellar space, while profoundly empty, is not that empty at all. For every star, an estimated 100,000 rogue bodies over 400km in radius lurk in interstellar space. As the inner system filled up, and the good worlds were taken, people settled for less good ones, and looked outward. Slowly, humanity pushed outward like a slime mold, taking the slow path of least resistance to the stars.
What's Old is New Again
One percent of the speed of light is about as fast as most people travel anymore, and only when in a hurry. Some top of the line trade ships can do 0.05c, but the fuel costs are astronomical and only economical over shorter trips. The void between stars is criss-crossed with human settlements on dark bodies, lit only by artificial lights and the flickering fusion drives of migrants and traders. Information, goods, and genes diffuse slowly throughout the network, making trade routes important for the first time in human history since the information age. Speed of light delays and poor infrastructure means news travels slowly, and must be relayed and bargained for, as in the old times. People changed, both in their customs and in their biology, as humanity adapted itself to the sunless abyss. You might know a guy who knows a guy whose cousin met someone from the Inner System, but that's about as close as the contact gets; and most colonies are self-sufficient, trading with nearby worlds to get what they cannot make themselves.
Plugged In
11,800 years from now, in the year of Barnard's Star's closest approach (not visible in this slice) the Centauri Highway is well-developed. It could be traversed in a lifetime, and few make that pilgrimage their mission, gaining passage on merchant and migrant ships as they island hop their way to the stars. Most, however, rarely leave home. Only a millennium ago, the expansion wave, spreading in a spherical pattern at the pace of population pressure rather than that of the fastest ship, reached Alpha Centauri, and found it already inhabited, if sparsely, with people who left on daring voyages from the Inner System or from other parts unknown thousands of years before. Contact was a shock to both sides, but the connection of the Highway did a lot to develop the struggling colonies of the Alpha Centauri system. Now, Alpha Centauri, formerly an isolated island, only connected by periodic information transmissions and probes, is plugged into the heart of human civilization. Time will tell what changes this brings.
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