Evidence of the Russian Ismail BC threat and QE fast BB trend pushed Japanese speed requirements.It makes the Japanese and their love of a fastish battleship all the more curious. What was unique about East Asia that let them hope mobility would give them an edge?
Launch a campaign to improve their performance of the shells used by the Royal Navy in order to get more bang for the pound. Inadvertently that would discover the flaws in the shells that the Royal Navy was using. Green boys in 1914 , naval engagements with the German high Seas Fleet would have and more costly to for the Germans.
My understanding is that the Shell quality issue was known before the war, at least to a certain degree, and was being worked on (IIRC by Jellicoe of all people!) But jobs changed, people were promoted and competing needs on people and resources put this on the back burner.
So a massive POD is not needed to make some small changes here - perhaps a greater concern over said quality of shells
After all it was only at Dogger Bank that engagements were conducted at such ranges ie extreme ranges of each fleets guns and said shells were hitting at a greater angle than previously expected.
If the Royal Navy gets wind early of some of the German super dreadnoughts a program might be implemented in order to keep the 12 inch gunned vessels competitive. Battleships and battle cruisers were expensive and was in the best interest of the royal Navy to keep them competitive with foreign ships for as long as possible.My understanding is that the Shell quality issue was known before the war, at least to a certain degree, and was being worked on (IIRC by Jellicoe of all people!) But jobs changed, people were promoted and competing needs on people and resources put this on the back burner.
So a massive POD is not needed to make some small changes here - perhaps a greater concern over said quality of shells
After all it was only at Dogger Bank that engagements were conducted at such ranges ie extreme ranges of each fleets guns and said shells were hitting at a greater angle than previously expected.
I am going to be controversial and say you have to have battle cruisers.
Hydrodynamics mean a big ship will max out somewhere around 30+ knots.
In 1905 a fast capital ship is 20 knots. So you are going to have a period of leap frogging until things stabilize around 30 knots.
The problem is in 1905 you can't build a capital ship with reasonable fighting ability and 30 knots at a size and cost any sensible government is going to pay for.
So let's build a slow fleet like the Americans? Except the USN spent most of the 20s scared of the RN and IJN's battle cruiser's ability to blind their scouts. Some one is going to build super scouts. Armored cruisers were already battleship sized/priced and it doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
Besides. Half of the RN's reason for battle cruisers was for their strategic mobility. They want to be able to shift heavy guns around the world quickly.
Eventually around 1920 small tube boilers and geared turbines mean you can get the hybrid capital ship everyone wanted. But there is a 20 year gap with a world war that needs to be filled first.
They knew in target practice that aiming just before the target caused shells to shatter when hitting the water and then the fragments caused more holes in the target and a greater score. It was cheating but someone could go '...wait a minute'.The only thing I can think of is some kind of pre-WWI incident where the RN realise the defects of their shells due to an inquiry. I have no idea what incident would produce this outcome, the RN wasn’t really involved in such conflicts between Dreadnought and WWI (that I can find, that is), so it requires some TL bending. Unless any second nation used British naval artillery and shells in the same period?
The USN spent the 1920's telling everyone they were scared - especially if they were on the appropriations committee. The battlecruisers were a solution to a problem that did not exist. Even the one success they can claim to have delivered - defeating von Spee's raider - could have been done with existing cruisers. If the British hadn't built them then the Germans would have concentrated on increasing the battle line.
I guess you could argue that by building battlecruisers the British forced Germany to build them too - which they could not really afford to do. A bit like the argument of how Reagan beat the Soviets by forcing them into an arms race they could not win.
But if the RN is going to maximise its effectiveness for the money spent then they should be focusing on battleships and fast battleships.
Ignoring the 8 armoured cruisers the RN fleet still had a 2.5:1 advantage in light cruisers prior to the battle. The KM light cruiser losses were in the most part not down to the battlecruisers but accidents and other RN light forces.With the technology of the time it made sense. If you could deny the enemy the spotting of your fleet and formation whilst being able to do the same for your fleet then it had HUGE strategic and tactical implications. One of Jutland's effects was that with so many of their light cruisers sunk at Jutland, the German fleet largely lost its 'eyes' and would have been out numbered by RN cruisers.
In a pre radar or reliable air flight era, the battle between scouts could swing a battle one way or the other when the main fleets clash.
The scouting battle was an anachronism that never really resulted in any significant gains for the scouts. Lighter vessels and later on Zeppelins and aircraft (and eventually radar) would make it redundant.
It is enlightening to realise your examples of the perceived wisdom from wargames are prior to the deployment of large numbers of torpedo boats and submarines - both of which would make pursuing an enemy fleet very dangerous.
Jellicoe's crossing of Scheer's "T" was due mostly to a strategic failure in German intelligence and a strategic success in British intelligence - it wasn't down to the battlecruiser squadron's eyes. Scheer never expected them to sortie in time. The British battlecruisers were too busy pretending to be battleships and failing.
The KM light cruiser losses were in the most part not down to the battlecruisers but accidents and other RN light forces.
Ignoring the 8 armoured cruisers the RN fleet still had a 2.5:1 advantage in light cruisers prior to the battle. The KM light cruiser losses were in the most part not down to the battlecruisers but accidents and other RN light forces.
Yes but the questions was not were battlecruisers useful but was the best RN battlefleet. To argue that battlecruisers were good because otherwise the German battlecruisers would have free reign is kind of missing the point that the reason why the Germans had battlecruisers was that the British built them first.
The "Queens" fast battleship designs and the heavier German battlecruiser designs proved far superior to the lightly built RN battlecruisers. A wing of 8 "Queens" would have been better than the nine BCs and 4 QE of our time line.
Fisher was not unique in pushing for battlecruisers; the Kaiser had ideas along similar lines, though he didn't have as much influence as Fisher did. The battlecruiser was a natural follow-on from the large armoured cruisers, and it's likely that some other navy would have built them had the RN not.
I thought the shell issue was a war time thing. Expanding production faster then QA could keep up with.If Minas Gerias and Sao Paulo had occasion to shoot at something in the time leading up to the war, then the unreliability of the shells might come out. (Or the self-assure British might decide that the Brazilians did something wrong.)