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I feel almost ready to write again.

I began writing Two Suns Shall Set around the time of a rough patch of schoolwork during my senior year of high school. The class was a bit much for me to handle, and I butchered a project so badly that recovering my grade in that class would have been an impossible task. Fortunately for me, I cut my losses and dropped it halfway into the semester. It wasn't like I was going to graduate with honors anyway.

As of writing this, a couple of hours back I learned that a grandparent of mine had passed away. It, the emotional impact, hasn't hit me yet, but things are going to be a little rough on me. First I get sick two days into vacation, and now this. It's starting off as a cruel summer, that I can say.

You're probably thinking "Gee, at this rate we will never see the 1960s unfold!". You would be forgiven for such a statement, insensitive as it might be. My point is, actually, that some of the best works throughout history have come out of despair. I don't purport this to be one of them, such delusions of grandeur are incredibly narcissistic and outright counterproductive.

I actually feel like writing again, even if it's just a chapter of two. I know I'm always off-and-on when it comes to writing. I know there are numerous inconsistencies that I need to go back and fix, extra WATN details, some minor things I want to retcon, entire portions and some political situations. I will get to those when I get to those, but I might as well channel these emotions and be productive and creative with them. This timeline was born out of a rough time in my life, and with another dark age it will grow once again.

Expect the next update sometime in the next week. The indefinite hiatus is suspended, but expect no set update schedule at any point in the near future.
 
Provisional Map of Soviet Civil War Territorial Control Boundaries

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Teaser:

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It's mainly spoiler-tagged since it's quite a physically large image on desktop. For you mobile users (like myself at times), the problem is nonexistent.

There may be minor inconsistencies with my descriptions in Chapter 11 but it's been a while and I need to do a better job of keeping track of everything. Siberia isn't shown simply because they're irrelevant up until around 1968, ditto with the Central Asian SSRs which unlawfully seceded but fortunately didn't get a lot of trouble from the four big contenders west of the Ural Mountains.


EDIT: I noticed inconsistency with my "Provisional Outline of European Alliances" post on control of part of Karelia. Details are messy but regardless of any of my maps Karelia and Murmansk Oblast are part of Finland now ITTL. Furthermore as much as I love maps I don't feel up to the task of drawing my own and if anybody you wish to do so you may PM me at any time and I can give you much better details than I've been providing both textually and visually if you're so inclined to make one.
 
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Out of curiosity, does the restoration of the Kaiser mean the reintroduction of the constituent monarchies? Bavaria in particular would seem quite likely.

Also, what territory is Germany asking from Poland?
 

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Out of curiosity, does the restoration of the Kaiser mean the reintroduction of the constituent monarchies? Bavaria in particular would seem quite likely.

Also, what territory is Germany asking from Poland?

Presumably Danzig or something like that.

I intend to go back and retcon Danzig, with Danzig itself going back to Germany after Polish occupation in the German Civil War but with Gdynia and some surrounding land either leased to Poland indefinitely or ceded as an exclave to Poland with some freedom of travel between Gdynia and German as well as Gdynia and Poland proper. I've been looking back as I mentioned almost a month ago and looking at all those inconsistencies. Dear me.

As for the return of the constituent monarchies, the liberal Republicans and the monarchists had to make many uncomfortable compromises with each other. The liberals let the Kaiser be empowered to the fullest extent that he could in the framework of a constitutional monarchy as well as permitted the restoration of those monarchies. The monarchists reluctantly accepted the Republican precondition that the reinstated monarchies (e.g. Bavaria, Waldeck-Pyrmont, etc. except Prussia) would be figureheads to local governments and legislatures, both de facto and de jure.


Also, sorry for not getting any update done. It's a hectic month and I'll just lay off the excuses and say that if any update comes in the future it will exist solely as a surprise. Forgive me, please.
 
Chapter 12: The First Sun Begins To Set

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A/N: I've had a little something saved away for a rainy day. It's not the update I promised you, but I found something else I worked on a while back, and thought to myself "Y'know what? Let me fix this up a bit". I've been having serious trouble writing the Soviet Civil War update that I've promised since this past spring, but in its stead here is a view of much of the world in 1960 and the beginning of a slow decline of some places in the world for certain juggernauts.


CHAPTER 12: The First Sun Begins To Set

A new decade of uncertainty had dawned. Another decade in this weary world where freedom from want or fear was never promised by anyone nor would it be delivered to anyone. As such, many people still clamor for many different things. The people of India want independence after many years of British mismanagement, and with Mohandas Gandhi in his nineties and a few years from his deathbed, larger and larger subsections of Indian people are resorting to more militant methods to coerce the Empire to allow the masses of the subcontinent to determine their own futures as opposed to being indirectly ruled from London. The people of Europe still want a return to normalcy after the terrors of the Second World War. Americans want peace to return to the country with an increased attention paid to the struggle for civil rights and subsequent rioting and street brawling. A growing number of those following the first Abrahamic religion known as Judaism seek the establishment of a homeland for to let their people go to after the six-year Russian onslaught and the years of countless atrocities done in the name of former Romania. And naturally, Japan wishes to consolidate their gains in Russia and China, seeking to establish further control over the lands the Emperor is defending from white imperialists. This last point will, within the coming decade, be one of contention between Japan and France, the latter empire with the backing of a whole sphere of influence, the former with mixed support from the locals and a veteran army. Even with the moderate pace of social liberalization and a slower pace of political liberalization in Japan beginning this decade, the country has a syndrome where the thrills of winning remain great, and where they have not experienced large-scale defeat in many years.[1] This would prove cumbersome in the upcoming Indochinese War of Independence from France, a multi-sided affair in Southeast Asia.

The year 1960 marked the beginning of a slow decline for the British Empire as a whole, but it didn’t mean that England, Scotland, and Wales were going down, either. To the contrary, a postwar economic boom swept the heart of the nation as well as most of Britain’s Dominions. Canadian trade helped to spark America’s economy into another boom cycle out of the late ‘50s stagnation, and European nations were once again buying American cars, providing competition to the local manufacturers and dealerships. This came with both praise and criticism from both sides of the pond, arguing about German quality over reportedly “shoddy” American craftsmanship.[2] Either way, most people in the West outside of the Mediterranean Pact benefitted from the new postwar trading arrangements. And even in the Pact itself, things were getting better, and more people from Venice to Visegrad and Beograd[3] to Bologna found themselves bringing home paychecks worth sums of money not seen in the possession of common folk since the mid-1940s.

Japan, to the contrary of the newborn success story known as Western Europe, began its economic and geopolitical slowdown at the dawn of this new decade, with very few people outside of the Co-Prosperity Sphere buying Japanese cars and electronics, the quality of which were noticeably higher than whatever the Soviet Union was making from 1957 onwards (and even marginally cheaper than American ones). The problem is that poor political relations, while oftentimes not getting in the way of a good deal, are nothing compared to a resurgence in racial theory in various countries such as the United States, the United Kingdom, and the nations of Scandinavia. In spite of this, Japanese businesses found niche success within the Mediterranean Pact, with relatively high-quality automobiles manufactured by Nissan and Mazda driving on the same Italian roads leading to Rome as the affordable Fiat and the less affordable Maserati.[4]

Both Serbia and Illyria begin this decade on poor footing. Serbia under King Alexander II and Illyria under Comrade Tito have signed an official end to the mess that was the Balkan Conflict of 1948-1958. The “border dispute” between the two nations will still continue, even with Montenegro falling within Greater Serbia, and paramilitaries loyal to both Red Illyria and monarchist Serbia will soon begin to fight each other in the border regions, becoming problems in and of themselves for whoever de jure controls specific territory. The border is a hard one, and it is for this reason that the deadliest job in either country is to be staffed or stationed at a border checkpoint. Finally, while paramilitary activity was rampant, it was surprisingly rare to find the Illyrian Socialist Defense Forces willing to get themselves hurt over the Serbians and their differing opinions of socialism and state athiesm. This new status quo would continue into the seventies and would by that time come to be known as the “Teškoće”, or “The Difficulties”[5].

While the Balkans were slowly simmering with brief but commonplace outbursts on the Serbian-Illyrian border, peace reigned in Northern Ireland. The decision to federalize the Republic of Ireland into three constituent provinces by Taoiseach William Norton in 1957 was not an obvious course of action to take, but ultimately it would pave the road for a mostly peaceful integration of Northern Ireland during the late 1960s as a result of Britain’s policies of decolonization. With Protestants on equal terms with the Catholics, and Ulster admitted as a fourth federal region, Ireland was a (complete) nation once again, and its admission to the European Entente in 1969 would be a no-brainer[6].

While Britain under the Labour Party and the relatively brief leadership of Prime Minister Aneurin Bevan began a slow decolonization process that, in 1961, saw India gain independence as a unitary state[7] under the popularly elected Manilal Gandhi[8], son of the late Mohandas “Mahatma” Gandhi[9]. Manilal Gandhi found himself with large sandals to fill, considering that his father, the face of India’s independence movement, was clearly showing his age in the 1950s. It is with some reluctance that he found himself as the sidekick to the increasingly influential Jawaharlal Nehru, and with even more that he became Nehru’s Vice-President, not wanting to wrangle with the debacle of Indian politics. In spite of this, after Nehru’s death in 1965, Mahatma Gandhi’s prodigal son would succeed Nehru, and would proceed to win every election he stood in for the rest of his lifetime, beloved by the people of India for his policies of “Fellowship and Harmony”[10]. The rest of the British Empire would see a slow decolonization process over the 1960s, a more accelerated one in the 1970s, and the last African, Pacific, and South American possessions would be granted independence by 1982. To the present day, however, Hong Kong, Macau[11], and the New Territories would remain part of the British Empire due to the massive instability in Eastern Asia, and a power vacuum which would, by the turn of the millennium, be filled by a resurgent unified China.

South America would remain mostly quiet through the decade, though some of the biggest news would come with Getúlio Vargas announcing his plans to step down after many years in power and hold free elections for the first time in many years. Vargas was a mostly popular man as the leader of a de facto benevolent dictatorship, and while a number of people were sad to see him go, there were others who were happy that he was out of their way, and these people were seeking to make a move on the government. Such individuals, whether they were officers seeking to install a military junta or leftist intellectuals suppressed under Vargas wanting to install a communist regime, failed either due to inside infiltration, terrible execution of the plot, or simply chickening out at the last second. Brazil's newest experiment in liberal democracy would not be interrupted by outside forces, and the winner of the 1962 Presidential Election, Gilberto Amado[12], would serve one six-year term under a revised Brazilian constitution, where the 81-year old man would serve accordingly be succeeded in 1968 by Ranieri Mazzilli[13], a member of Brazil's Social Democratic Party. Argentina is fine, and Chile's future is seemingly unaffected by the crashing of an experimental helicopter on the border with Bolivia, with the tragic deaths of all individuals on-board, including the pilot, a British advisor hired and sent to help improve the Chilean Armed Forces, and an Army Captain whose name is lost to history.

All in all, the early 1960s, aside from the collapse of central authority in the Soviet Union and the division of the country into four major factions with minor groups scattered about, was an eerily peaceful time on the planet Earth. Africa had yet to speak in words and actions on conflicting ideas of racial separation and cultural representation, as well as freedom from the shackles of European control. Japan had yet to pour manpower and resources into a Southeast Asia soon to explode into vicious proxy warfare. France had yet to do the same. The world is a mess, and it can get better, but it will take time, guts, and massive tragedy in the coming years for ideals and hopes to even begin to be realized...




[1] You familiar with the term "victory disease"? Japan caught it recently, and they won't be shaking it off for a while.
[2] A parallel to Americans complaining about the quality and/or flooding of the automobile market of Japanese cars and electronics, particularly in the 1980s where it looked like Japan would dominate the world economically. It's not as big a thing here as it is OTL but it still exists through most of the '60s up until the early '70s
[3] Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian/Slovenian name for Belgrade, the capital of Greater Serbia. The Turkish people, the Macedonians in Bulgaria, and even the Bulgarians themselves, call it “Belgrad”. For some more useful useless knowledge, the Italian/Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese name for the city is “Belgrado”.
[4] Unlike their tanks, Italian cars don’t have multiple reverse gears, as the joke (about the tanks, of course) commonly goes. Japanese-made cars will still have a cult following in Italy even after the horrific collapse of the Empire of Japan.
[5] Yeah, that’s right. The Troubles find a rough analogue in the Balkans, with the ex-Chetnik United Volunteer Forces (Ujedinjene Volonterske Snage, UVS) of Serbia, the Provisional Illyrian Red Army (Privremena Ilirska Crvena Armija, PICA), and various minor paramilitary groups with different causes ranging for independence from either of the two nations, or both of them. The non-communist Bosnian separatists would end their campaign by the decade's end, but the more zealous militants join the UVS or the PICA, mostly on poorly-defined ethnic lines. This state of events will be over by ATL 1980.
[6] This might not be the most realistic or plausible way to butterfly away the bulk of The Troubles, but here the Republic of Ireland makes quite a few concessions to the region of Northern Ireland, the largest one being additional autonomy from Dublin. Not all violence is magically stopped, of course, and numerous small-scale problems will pop up over the rest of the twentieth century, but it will be much less… uh, vehicularly explosive, and it won’t be ingrained into the culture of the region like it is in our world.
[7] No partition ITTL. This has its benefits (millions of people are not displaced from their homes), its risks (sectarian conflict), and its downsides (Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, and Buddhists fighting, diplomatically at first, for influence in Parliament and over the country as a whole). For now it’s somewhat stable with each religious group, region, and ethnicity having no extra power over the others, and the Gandhis being such unifying figures helps tremendously.
[8] Butterflies bring this man back to the British Raj during the fifties on top of averting his stroke, pushing for Indian independence alongside his slowly ailing father, and ultimately taking his place in most public events. His last year of editing the Indian Opinion is 1955. It might not be overly realistic for him to assume power in India, but a lot can happen in thirty to forty years, and stranger things have indeed happened.
[9] The good news is that Gandhi gets to live to see India’s freedom, his own assassination butterflied away along with an earlier Indian independence in 1948. The bad news is that he passes away a week after the fact from old age.
[10] A very suspiciously direct analogue to another similar slogan utilized by another neutral nation in a geopolitical conflict from our world that decided to go its own way from both of the major power blocs.
[11] Macau’s garrison agreed to allow Britain to take control of Macau following the unification of Socialist Iberia. As of the year 2000, the city’s population predominantly speaks Cantonese (around 80%), followed by English (12%), Portuguese (7%), and the remaining one percent being made up of other languages. The larger Portuguese-speaking community in Macau ITTL stems from anti-leftist refugees from Iberia who avoided Brazil, followed by the poor in Brazil seeking work during the Second Great Depression in the 1970s.
[12] This man goes into politics ITTL. His presidency in this world is mostly uneventful but his foreign policy brings some more stability to South America. I won't go into further detail simply because I'm not an expert on Brazilian politics and I'm just taking a few liberties. The link above, if you haven't clicked it, is in Portuguese, so I imagine he's a bit obscure outside of the Lusophone world.
[13] Appointed in OTL as a caretaker president, here he's elected in his own right to the Presidency of Brazil.
 
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Would technology be the same in this timeline or significantly stunted?

Atomic weapons technology so far is a decade behind OTL, and missile delivery systems won't be commonplace between the superpowers until the early 1970s. Space travel technology is going to be a little less behind, roughly three to five years behind OTL. The Internet is going to be delayed a bit, color TV comes about outside of Mexico same time as our world, and video games will also be a bit behind but I will elaborate on this in a later update. Depending on when the next Depression hits the first moon landing might be even later on. Soviet innovations are delayed by one to two decades for pretty obvious reasons but will soon catch up with the rest of the world once the '80s and '90s arrive.

In short: a lot of key technologies are behind in our world but common everyday objects are for the most part somewhere between "on-track" and a few years ahead of behind. I'll have to work on a bonus update for most of this stuff but I think I covered most of the important stuff.
 
Timeline Retcons, August 2019

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Here is a rudimentary list of retcons I've made to Two Suns Shall Set, alongside some rationale in making them. I've went back and made edits to reflect the changes, though it's entirely possible that I might have missed a spot or two.


* Final Clarification on Danzig: Poland occupies it for the duration of the German Civil War. The Poles, with varying degrees of reluctance, withdraw from Gdansk Danzig and allows the new constitutionally monarchist Germany to control it again. Gdynia, on the other hand, remains leased to Poland.
* Neville Chamberlain's declining health is not butterflied away, and as such it makes little sense for him to serve four more years as British PM. He resigns and dies in 1940 as per OTL.
* John Nance Garner probably wouldn't be as incompetent a President as I portrayed him. He gets two full terms and the economics of America ITTL remain unchanged from how I described them earlier on.
* Robert A. Taft died IOTL in 1953 from pancreatic cancer. Pre-retcon he gets that checked out and goes into remission, and fills out his second term as U.S. President before dying a year afterwards. The changes are as follows: Taft gets one term, but he doesn't find out about his cancer early, symptoms show up a little earlier and he declines to run for a second term due to poor health. Butterflies bring Everett Dirksen to explore an eventually successful campaign for President, playing a balancing act on bringing America onto the world stage as a meaningful geopolitical entity (with limited to mixed success) and the whole civil rights debacle that doesn't have a whole lot of steam just yet.
* 1952 means Stevenson's Presidency is getting retconned. Civil rights is a noble cause that Dirksen truly begins to tackle in his second term, but that kind of rules out any further Republican presidencies for the time being because of how uppity the Dixiecrats can get, you see.
* I also added some people to the "Where Are They Now?" sections. I'll continue making further additions as I see fit, and I'll mention those here when I'm done.
* I also changed some people's fates. Kim Il-sung's earlier death has been retconned and he's now residing in the USSR along with his wife and son Kim Jong-il. (And no, none of these individuals will come anywhere to control of a state apparatus at any point in their lives.)
* The AK-47 and subsequent models of the (in)famous Russian assault rifle that we all know and love still aren't going to be made in this universe. And as mentioned earlier the term "assault rifle" never comes into being. The "Great Patriotic War" being delayed by a decade and instigated by Russia made it the "Great European Liberation War", which went just swimmingly, as you remember. :p In any case, Mikhail Kalashnikov is still alive and kicking, but he's in the business of manufacturing things other than weapons of war. I've yet to go back and make changes to reflect this, but I'm sure you can guess what he's up to, if you've read up lightly on the man.
* Not a retcon, but I decided to un-redact a little something I teased a little earlier and expanded upon it. Naturally, it raises more questions for all of you than it answers... ;)
“With the turmoil that has engulfed Asia during these past years...I cannot, in good conscience, continue to serve you, the people of the United States of America beyond this current term, and that is why I officially announce that I will not seek, nor will I accept, any nomination for a term of my own as your President. I am incredibly pleased to have had the opportunity to serve all of you to the best of my ability, even with the sad course of events that propelled me to the highest office in the land.

-U.S. President Fred M. Rogers [2], in a televised nation address broadcast on February 29, 1988


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[2] Yes, that Fred M. Rogers. The reveal of this individual's Presidency was months after originally posting this.





The above political changes therefore brings the unformatted list of U.S. Presidents (up to the '60s, anyway) to:

Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) [Republican]
John N. Garner (1933-1941) [Democratic]
W. Frank Knox (1941-1943*) [Republican]
Wendell Willkie (1943-1945*) [Republican]
Robert M. La Follette Jr. (1945-1949) [Republican]
Robert A. Taft (1949-1953) [Republican]
Everett Dirksen (1953-1961) [Republican]
George C. Wallace (1961-1962*) [Democratic]
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (1962-Present) [Democratic]

* died while in office


Furthermore, this brings the list of United Kingdom Prime Ministers to:

Ramsay MacDonald (1929-1935) [National Labour]
Stanley Baldwin (1935-1937) [Conservative]
Neville Chamberlain (1937-1940) [Conservative]
Frederick Marquis (1940-1944) [Conservative]
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (1944-1948*) [Conservative]
Thomas Dugdale (1948-1951) [Conservative]
Hugh Gaitskell (1951-1956) [Labour]
Jim Griffiths (1956-1961) [Labour]
Alec Douglas-Home (1961-Present) [Conservative]

* died while in office



Further retcons are probably underway and will be logged here until the next update. The next planned non-chapter update will cover the leaders of the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Italy, the Soviet Union, Japan, Canada, Brazil, both Chinas, and some others. You won't want to miss it. Until then, I'll be using the next week or so to actually reflect the changes mentioned here.

EDIT 25 JANUARY 2020: Some details of this threadmarked post are now out of date. Check the January 2020 retcon post to see changes from this.

EDIT 4 NOVEMBER 2020: How did I get away with marking Harold Wilson as a conservative for well over a year? Holy fuck.
 
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The long-awaited Soviet Civil War update that I haven't had the motivation to create is actually in the works, for real this time! It took me listening to a lot of post-punk music and falling into a mild depression to get into it, and I have no idea if it will be any good. Expect it within the next week or two!!! Until then, I have a small excerpt:

The Second Russian Civil War, more commonly referred to as the Soviet Civil War, would become the most devastating conflict to visit the country west of the Ural Mountains. Four major factions would find themselves battling it out for the future of the country, from Nikolai Yezhov's neo-Stalinism to Lazar Kaganovich's repressive NKVD administration to Alexei Kosygin's and Andrei Gromyko's socialist reformism. And then there was the legitimist and pseudo-reformist Lavrentiy Beria, ousted from power in a military coup led by famous General and war hero Georgy Zhukov early on in 1962. Various smaller groups would either gravitate towards one of the four majors, be assimilated, or otherwise be crushed within the first three years of one of the deadliest conflicts to grace Eurasia.

This generation has already seen war. A select few looked to the sky and saw the flashes of light that obliterated some of the largest cities in the Union in 1956. It was the last time they would. Fortunately for the people of this already war-torn and crumbling nation, no atomic weapons were dropped during the course of this conflict. Unfortunately for millions, however, late 1963 would see the beginning of the mass expenditures of biological and chemical weapons, bringing horrors unseen since the Bulgarian campaign carried out by the Legionaries of Romania all the way back in the late forties. The employment of "biochemical warfare" would continue to be utilized in all of the world's proxy wars and civil wars for the rest of the century, in some cases significantly decreasing the habitability of certain regions, particularly various urban areas.

Border shifts were not overly important in the Civil War. There were no frontlines like in the two global-scale wars that rocked the world earlier in the twentieth century. Instead, control over regional centers, cities, and industry were key to winning this grueling fight...
 
A civil war involving a corrupt secret policeman (Yezhov), a potential serial killer (Beria), and the man who helped starve Ukraine (Kaganovich) can't be...fun.
 

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A civil war involving a corrupt secret policeman (Yezhov), a potential serial killer (Beria), and the man who helped starve Ukraine (Kaganovich) can't be...fun.

It won't be fun. Dear God it won't be fun at all. But I assure you, while prospects look bleak in the '60s, that won't be the case for the rest of the century, regardless of who makes it out of this on top.

Is Beria trying to act like Putin, and restore nationalism?

Not really, no. Beria's trying to basically get back into power on the basis that Zhukov illegally deposed of him (which he technically did), and not much else comes to mind other than attempting to implement his designs on Russia and removing all opposition to this path.
 
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