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Rommel OTL is probably the only person in the Third Reich who couldn't be whitewashed.
He largely didn't indulge in cruelties, except for the ones expected of someone fighting a war.
The Footprint of Mussolini - TL
Rommel OTL is probably the only person in the Third Reich who couldn't be whitewashed.
He largely didn't indulge in cruelties, except for the ones expected of someone fighting a war.
On one hand, Patton literally won the Vietnam War.
On the other hand, China may be so much worse.
That said, the biggest advantage the UN has fighting Communist China is that Chairman Mao is absolutely bugnuts.
On the other hand, China may be so much worse.
That said, the biggest advantage the UN has fighting Communist China is that Chairman Mao is absolutely bugnuts.
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Let's not forget that Mao, to rally the nation, may implement the Great Leap Forward. If he ends up causing a famine in the middle of the war, he may destabilize China severely in the war.
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the war in china is cool but i'm curious about the members of the roman alliance, what are they doing, the economics the population problem... example: what is franco exactly doing? all the same stuff as OTL? what about Bulgaria and Turkey, both gained lot of territories from the wars with Benny( Bulgaria is maybe the second power of the alliance on land considering it's forces in OTL in TTL they might be even twice).
You should also remember that the "clean Wehrmacht" has far more truth in it ITL than OTL. You had:
- An outright civil war in Germany which resulted in the Nazis gassing major german cities
- Entire units deserting
- And probably plenty incidents of "small resistance" (e.g. "What commando, Herr Hauptsturmführer?") - of those considerable more than OTL since "Boiling the frog" didn't work so well ITL
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There is an upside to this: figures like Sophie Scholl and the women of the Rosenstrasse Protest might become a lot more prominent, if only to sell the narrative that most Germans were cowed by the Nazis, rather just blindly goose-stepping into obedience.
Ah yes. Instead of a few successful rebel militant groups taking over nations and generally turning them into hellholes, you have much more widespread and active communist and islamic underground movements, working together to destabilize pretty much all of Africa, the middle east and the far east. Potentially resulting in far more nations falling to dictatorships which have either flavour when the colonial nations run out of steam or decide that trying to hold onto a place is no longer worth the effort and bug out.
This is an earlier war, with the French still in control of much of the coastline and the Viet Minh much less well-supplied. Not that much of a stretch.
China will be horrific for everyone involved, it seems though.
Patton's strong anti-leftism and that he accepted total humiliation of Wallace despite what he did is bit worrying. And Patton is too pretty pro-colonialism and willingful send Americans to war. And Patton hardly is going to do anything with civil right issues. He is not such person who easily would make compromises. Furthermore Patton and Mussolini are almost best buddies.
And if Patton has appoint new judges to SCOTUS...
Would they? I don't even think Patton ever met Mussolini TTL. If else should be more near to Balbo or Rommel, as he fought along them. The fact they have an enemy in common doesn't mean automatically will be friends. America is still a democracy and Italy a far right dictatorship just a step above nazi Germany or the USSR.
Then who knows, they might meet at a certain point and establish a cordial relation - Nixon might as well when would aim to the Presidency. After all what remains of TTL Democratic party is seen in Rome as the absolute scourge (not only due to Wallace but also due to Wilson) and the Republican party the face of sanity in America.
Any not Republican President TTL won't be seen with good eyes in Italy for a long time.
Returning to Nixon: if the Chinese war would end well - in the sense China won't turn red or not all red - Patton should have the next election guaranteed. But we can't exclude he might die in office or decide (or convinced) one presidency is fine. Hence paving the path to Nixon. But, several things may occur in the meanwhile which could hamper his victory: not from the external opposition of the GOP, but more by internal Republican factionalism.
One case above all, remember the Kennedys flipped to the GOP TTL...
Wallace was just someone that was fooled by Stalin but except that an honest man that hardly deserved his destiny (better remember all the people fooled by Hitler), Patton is more probable that transform the USA in an authoritarian demoncracy that will be vey behind OTL regarding civil war. Basically congratulations to the GOP to have break everything for their own pathetic gain
At least his sense of Honour mean we don’t have to worry about MAD scenario. Even when next president came along as long as Patton is alive him saying he is against nuclear weapon should be enough to convince the mass. After all he is American hero who save America from communism even when he is not a president he will still have a lot of influence.
Though I hope his anti nuclear sentiment won’t make America nuclear arsenal smaller than USSR.
Though I hope his anti nuclear sentiment won’t make America nuclear arsenal smaller than USSR.
He gave Stalin nukes. That's putting him way beyond Useful Idiot territory.
I get that he is idealistic idiot that have no ill intention but giving nuclear secret to Stalin make him unforgivable to me.
He had not giving up any secret technologies but just shared the existence of the weapon and in any case it was at the time an ally...a very important ally, with the general pubblic and the rest of the military brass in need of a new pant at the mere thought of an invasion of the japanese home island so it's not that far fetched that share the existence of atomic program was; not the most intelligent move? Sure but not a betrayal...and if we want to be realistic it's not that Stalin really needed that, even OTL the Mahnattan project was riddled by soviet spies and the Soviets had their own program, whatever Wallace had done has not really changed much the final outcome, just give Uncle Joe further proof but not any vital information.
No. You are mistaken. Sharing the existence of nuclear technology in wartime is not the incident which Drizzt was referring to.
He didn't just tell Stalin about nukes. He gave Stalin nuclear technology—the technology that Stalin would use to nuke Warsaw. That is unforgivable.
And in OTL:
The sources are The Haunted Wood: Soviet Espionage in America—the Stalin Era and the Mitrokhin Archive, brought to the West by a Soviet dissident who fled with KGB files. I'm not an academic historian and haven't done a detailed check, but at a cursory check, the New York Times seems to think it's credible.
I was pretty shocked to hear this. Apparently, TTL's Wallace isn't as far-fetched as I thought. If anything, TTL is being inaccurate in portraying him as an innocent naïve leader when the real Wallace was a corrupt politico who actively solicited the Soviet Union for money to help him influence the US government.
Stalin would have gotten them eventually anyway. Not sure if it would have made that much of a difference TTL (I can easily see Stalin just carpet bombing or shelling or even gassing Warsaw instead of nuking it for example).
Wallace's gift helped Stalin got nuke earlier than he would had got that otherwise. And Poland might not had surrended so easily when USSR wouldn't had nuclear bomb.
1949. We have alrady seen Patton's inaugration and some of his first acts like sending Americans to China.