Seems reasonable to me. 1947 for first-object-in-space makes sense, since IOTL it was achieved (in part) using looted V2s, and ITTL the V2-equivalents wouldn't need to be looted (I'm presuming that they still exist, given Mr. Mustache's love of Wunderwaffen). 1959 for first-man-in-space is more than realistic given that. The reason it took so long IOTL to get a man in space was because the U.S. wasn't trying very hard to make it happen, and the U.S.S.R. were working with absolute shit for spacecraft technology. Seriously, Vostok was scarily primitive. The "automatic guidance" could only align the spacecraft with the sun. It had no gyros, no instrumentation to indicate orientation. Current position over the Earth was indicated by a clockwork (!) globe. Given proper motivation and actual effort put into the technology (plus some actual competition in rocketry between Germany and the U.S.; Von Braun was good, but Germany didn't have a monopoly on good rocket scientists), a man in space by 1959 is 100% possible. The real limitation in terms of timing is the development of the electronics needed to build inertial guidance systems and spacecraft that aren't complete deathtraps.
Let The Eagle Scream!
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AeroTheZealousOne
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Vietnam IIRC is under U.S. control as is the rest of Indochina, and Korea is split as per OTL, except the North is a Christian Fundamentalist state aligned with the UOCS.
Small right now it is probably mostly Coastal Defense and River Patrol craft either US surplus or US designs. Since this China is not a manufacturing hub (yet) there is little pressure to build a blue-water (ocean) navy. The Army and Air Force get a majority of the funding. However as China starts to grow in strength it may start expanding the navy's size and strength.
Hey guys, I'm getting started on a new chapter about Eastern Europe, then I plan on focusing on the UOCS so I can highlight the beginnings of the system's collapse before finally finishing off Rockefeller and the 50's in America. However, I am going to give you guys a spoiler for the future that is hopefully both hilarious and truly cursed:
A Democratic Nixon-Johnson Administration. That is all.
A Democratic Nixon-Johnson Administration. That is all.
But isnt he a republican ITTL and vice President to Rocky?
At the end of the chapter on the New Conservatism I mentioned that Nixon changed party affiliation in office toward the end of Rockefeller's second term because Rockefeller and others were leading the party in a leftier direction. It's going to be expanded on when I finally get back to the US. He won't be running in 1960 because people won't trust "Tricky/Switchy Dick" yet but certain events in the future will leave him an opening, especially since I plan on having him go back to Congress to build alliances before he runs.
Quient Roosvelt was just as big of a left as FDR and they were both democracts. So it looks like the republicans and democarts are both left wings/ So I suggest having nixion join a third a party found by the conseverst who abadoned both the republican and democart pary and become there first persident
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The new chapter on the Balkans and Eastern Europe should be up tomorrow! Those places are definitely messier than the West and North thanks to the proximity of the UOCS and their allies.
Speaking of the UOCS, I have a couple questions regarding their future that I would love some input on:
Speaking of the UOCS, I have a couple questions regarding their future that I would love some input on:
- When should the Union collapse? Given its smaller sphere, more narrow appeal to outsiders, and the presence of an incredibly powerful Germany (even after India) and a much more powerful, industrialized, and hostile China, the UOCS is poorer and even more encircled than the OTL USSR. On the other hand, the presence of multiple oil-rich client states in the Middle East means that the UOCS can sustain itself for a bit by plundering their wealth (using massive military force as an explicit threat to ensure cooperation) but this has a limited lifespan.
- What replaces the UOCS? How badly does it fracture? I'm imagining that the various Central Asian territories, etc break off into their own nation states like OTL, and we could have a Nationalist Socialist Russia that is keen on reclaiming at least some of these territories, but is restrained by its more powerful Indian benefactor. That being said, I'm open to other ideas.
So I don't really know when the UOCS would collapse but a good bet is if there is a crisis of legitimacy in the council of bishops while they are making a selection for the next supreme dictator. As for what takes its place, honestly it depends. If it is caused by a collapse in the Orthodox-Sunni relations, then that will precipitate a different aftermath than if it is caused by the council of bishops being influenced by more liberal strands which will be a different aftermath than if a rise of secularism causes a crisis of legitimacy.
Awesome, I can’t wait to see it. Mind if I make one suggestion: Change the Villans from the Second World War to be more explicitly based off of Race rather than culture and religion. It’s just makes the whole thing to be a conflict of ideolgy rather than just nations, plus makes the Waterd down German system more interesting
Not to spoil too much, but that's definitely something I thought about. Unitism will be a lot more fleshed out. I will say the odd man out in TTL's WWII is going to be Russia, who I plan on taking in an entirely different direction. They'll still be allied with the US and Germany out of a combo of convenience and a mutual foe, but they're probably going to have more in common with the Unitists ideologically.
Another suggestion: maybe some Radical leftists could be a interesting faction, say out of India and that sort of place with its main focus being on Combatting both the Colonialism of the Germans and Americans and the Straight up evil of Russia and the UOCS
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I can say that the redux... well, there will be less optimism, but you'll have to read it when it comes out!
And as for my special non-April-Fools update, gimme some more time, it's been a bit of a rough month for me personally.
In 2.0, the radical left will definitely be more prominent and anti-imperialist. However, although this is gonna be a big spoiler, there isn't going to be a UOCS. I made it as a way to try and have an alt Russian Revolution with a different ending and it felt kinda sloppy. I have something very, very different in mind. They're still going to be the Evil Empire though.
I might be just a tad privy to these plans, but I will just keep my mouth shut out of respect here for the sake of it all.
I can say that the redux... well, there will be less optimism, but you'll have to read it when it comes out!
And as for my special non-April-Fools update, gimme some more time, it's been a bit of a rough month for me personally.
I'm sorry to hear that! Keep your head up Aero, and take what time you need!
Also, I remember that I talked about two different ideas with you. Not to give anything else away, but I'm going with the more optimistic one. The more dystopian one could be the finale of an LTES trilogy if you will.
I said the fall of the uocs should be in part because of one of Stalin successors is aggorent to try to force the arba client to all convert to Christianity. I want at least one Russian rump state to fall in to American. I also what an american gemra dente. I feel Germany who want to patch things up with America after the economic stagnation of the 60,s the lost of indai and part of their sphere of influence breaking off to form a new Italian . I think know who stood be the german challor who reach out to America in an attempt to recolaiice. It should be one of Adolf hitter t1/4 Irish great newphes. I am serrious adofl brother married an irshis women. Adolf nephew William pa trick Hitler even moved fought for the american army in www and changed his name to wiliam sturart houston . William Patrick would probby stay in germany in thist timeline and take a differnt wife then otl. I like the idea of hims having son (possaly named for his grea uncle adolf) who becomes chacclor
Also maybe some revolts from the Polish Sattlite States, that could be very interesting
If you're looking to make your 2.0 TL different, might I suggest using different heads of state around the WWII period? While it was neat seeing Hitler as a good guy and Stalin as a theocratic nutcase (as opposed to a regular nutcase), it all felt a bit too "Eh? Eh? See what I did there?" instead of doing something more original.
Don't think I can really think of changing much else, though.
Don't think I can really think of changing much else, though.
