@KingSweden24, on 9 August 1914, Essen led part of his fleet towards Gotland with the intent to contain the Swedish navy and deliver a note of his own making which would have violated Swedish neutrality and may have brought Sweden into the war. He was ordered back before his plan could be executed. If he doesn't receive those orders, or chooses to ignore them, things could get interesting.
Well, a puppet Finland. Them striking towards Petrograd will keep the Eastern Front exciting!Huh, interesting. A Central Powers Sweden could be interesting... especially if they wanted Finland back!
Well, a puppet Finland. Them striking towards Petrograd will keep the Eastern Front exciting!
Germany would LOVE Sweden in Mitteleuropa but here they are entering as a co-combatant, not an occupied puppet. Sweden likely, and smartly, fights a war solely against Russia that France and the UK would avoid at least in the short term due to the unprovoked nature of von Essen's assault (and Norway stays out of any attack that would threaten their recent independence). Sweden would support an independent Finland under their aegis and, if Russia doesn't push for an armistice (which Nicky wouldn't to prevent looking weak) would force the Swedes to coordinate with the Central Powers to bring an end to their conflict. The Russians being stretched that much further could see their front crack.Finland was meant to be in Mitteleuropa, right? Seems easy to integrate Sweden into that bloc too and give them Aland.
Germany would LOVE Sweden in Mitteleuropa but here they are entering as a co-combatant, not an occupied puppet. Sweden likely, and smartly, fights a war solely against Russia that France and the UK would avoid at least in the short term due to the unprovoked nature of von Essen's assault (and Norway stays out of any attack that would threaten their recent independence). Sweden would support an independent Finland under their aegis and, if Russia doesn't push for an armistice (which Nicky wouldn't to prevent looking weak) would force the Swedes to coordinate with the Central Powers to bring an end to their conflict. The Russians being stretched that much further could see their front crack.
There won't be a lightning strike for Petrograd. The Swedes weren't ready for war and the weather as well as logistics makes much of a 1914 offensive lackluster (though the fear of a Swedish advance and Finnish uprising will divert important resources). Could this weaken Russian forces aimed at Austria-Hungary or allow a deeper advance by German forces, even taking Warsaw? Maybe. If it gives the Austro-Hungarians a better position (anything would be better than OTL) the Russians will be hurting. Perhaps 1915 sees Germany and A-H focusing East to knock out the Russians with Sweden striking from the North. Supplies are out of the question by the Entente as Murmansk is threatened, though this MAY be enough to bring the UK and France in against Sweden who would be blockading an ally.
Russia will fight on even if they lose Petrograd, pulling into the interior. I doubt the Swedes drive in any further holding Finland and perhaps Kola. After the losses, Russia is spent by 1916. It will be starving (Ukraine will be in German hands), unsupplied, and militarily broken allowing the Germans to orient West. Italy and Rumania won't join the Entente. After that...
Hmm.
I’m getting some good ideas for my new TL here...
The timing of the matter would sorta "cancel out" the Rape of Belgium as British Propaganda called it. That opens quite a few butterflies by itself.Thanks for the replies but I was more interested in how other neutral nations would take this frankly unprovoked attack on Sweden.
But from the very little I have read on this Sweden even in 1918 had a lot of trouble equipping even half there army and I can't see the Swedish navy doing well in a surprise attack even if it's the Russian navy attacking them.
Thanks for the replies but I was more interested in how other neutral nations would take this frankly unprovoked attack on Sweden.
But from the very little I have read on this Sweden even in 1918 had a lot of trouble equipping even half there army and I can't see the Swedish navy doing well in a surprise attack even if it's the Russian navy attacking them.
The timing of the matter would sorta "cancel out" the Rape of Belgium as British Propaganda called it. That opens quite a few butterflies by itself.
Also the 13 IIRC divisions Sweden had might not be that well equipped, but then neither were the Russian ones and it's not like the Royal Navy can blockade the sea lanes between Germany and Sweden, so at the very least the Germans could spare captured equipment for them.
Then there is the potential for the Royal Navy not quite having gotten the memo about blockading sea lanes close to the enemys home turf in the age of mines and torpedoes being a bad idea and they end up TRYING to blockade the sea lanes between Germany and Sweden, despite the inadvisability thereof.
Thanks for the replies but I was more interested in how other neutral nations would take this frankly unprovoked attack on Sweden.
But from the very little I have read on this Sweden even in 1918 had a lot of trouble equipping even half there army and I can't see the Swedish navy doing well in a surprise attack even if it's the Russian navy attacking them.
Conway's all the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921 said:From the 1860s and especially from the 1890s into the new century Sweden had built up a modern navy, stronger than any comparable nation. A very strong naval wind blew over the country. In 1900, for example, the Navy Minister asked for only small sums to complete one coastal battleship but a single member of the First Chamber of the Parliament moved for funds to begin three more - and parliament approved. This trend continued for some years, but, after its election victory in 1911, the liberal government, in accordance with the growing social democratic party, reversed that year's decision to start building a new class of much heavier coastal battleship for the F type (later Sveruge class). In response a popular movement in a few months collected 15 million Swedish crowns - for that time an incredibly big sum - more than the cost of the first battleship.
Conway's all the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921 said:Sweden's navy had been built up first of all to keep the country outside a war and, if this was not possible, fight against a Baltic enemy, Russia or Germany. Since Viking days the Swede has been a good sailor and industrial capacity was sufficient to provide all the ships and arms needed. Only sometimes has a prototype vessel been acquired from a major foreign power.
For it's size, the Swedish navy of the period was not that bad actually. The navy was popular among the country, and their navy is tailored to fight the type of war to be expected in the Baltic region, and their quality is top notch (for its size):
One thing I do what to point out is that Italy also don't declare war on Germany until nearly a year after it did austrea-hungary, but Germany had to support austrea befor then, to keep it in the war if nothing else and I feel, especially during the early parts of the war that Briton and France would have no other chose but to support Russia in this, gust to get Russia to put presser on Germany even if they would have preferred that this hant happened. Also I wonder if briton would try to invade Norway to cut of German iron supply in the winter like was trays in ww2.
Very true, but the same strategic and economic considerations that lead to fighting in Norway in ww2 would be even more important whith Sweden as an active combatant.I doubt that Brits would try invade Norway. They know that it would look like very bad for their PR and great propaganda victory for Germany. And USA would try remain neutral even harder and perhaps begin wonder is Entente any better than Central Powers. And UK would look like hellish hypocrisy when it entered war due invasion of neutral nation and now it is itself invading neutral nations.
Indeed. Arrogance and overestimating your capabilities weren't exclusively a German traits. The First Sea Lord giving that order and expecting the Norwegians to knuckle under isn't that far-fetched.Very true, but the same strategic and economic considerations that lead to fighting in Norway in ww2 would be even more important whith Sweden as an active combatant.