Map Thread XVIII
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Map of a rump british empire. Revolution in the post war entente after a longer and bloodier entente victory without the USA leads to a socialist european super state and a republican Canada leaving only a Rump Eastern British Empire. The government in nairobi is pretty wacky and unpleasant (understatement). Run by an Exiled Oswald Mosley pan anglo-saxon nationalism is pretty much the sole principle of foreign policy. State ideology and resultant domestic policy is TTLs fascism equivalent and in OTL terms is broadly hitlerian with a serious romanticisation of the american settlement of the western USA. The Eastern British State has in many ways become an informal protectorate of the Japan and IJN after the disasters that befell the Loyal Royal navy during the brief civil conflict and evacuation.
(link to high res Image: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...ited_States_of_Britannia_Orientalis_small.jpg ) *recommended*
(note/edit: I have made a small effort to use historical transliterations, some of wich in OTL are not appropriate for this time period, but I am asserting that in ttl they are appropriate. I plan to caim all genuine misspellings are simply obscure transliterations in case you mistakenly belive you've spotted one)
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Map of a rump british empire. Revolution in the post war entente after a longer and bloodier entente victory without the USA leads to a socialist european super state and a republican Canada leaving only a Rump Eastern British Empire. The government in nairobi is pretty wacky and unpleasant (understatement). Run by an Exiled Oswald Mosley pan anglo-saxon nationalism is pretty much the sole principle of foreign policy. State ideology and resultant domestic policy is TTLs fascism equivalent and in OTL terms is broadly hitlerian with a serious romanticisation of the american settlement of the western USA. The Eastern British State has in many ways become an informal protectorate of the Japan and IJN after the disasters that befell the Loyal Royal navy during the brief civil conflict and evacuation.
(link to high res Image: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...ited_States_of_Britannia_Orientalis_small.jpg ) *recommended*
(note/edit: I have made a small effort to use historical transliterations, some of wich in OTL are not appropriate for this time period, but I am asserting that in ttl they are appropriate. I plan to caim all genuine misspellings are simply obscure transliterations in case you mistakenly belive you've spotted one)
This is a very very good map with a very original presentation, How bad are insurgencies in India and malaya if there are some?
I'd say the same as the user above and IMO the new zealand looks really off, i really suggest you add it as an inset in the larger map because it really doesn't fit with the rest of the map and sadly breaks the illusion of profesionalism, i'd also suggest you invert the legend at the bottom of the left map because they are hard to read.
First of all thank you for the compliments. With regards to insurgencies there were some major rebellions in India during the mid and late 20's but were put down pretty harshly with some Japanese help. There are some sporadic and very small rebellions that occur occasionally across Africa and Asia but it's at the point were they are relatively cheep to deal with for the government.
I totally accept the criticisms of the Legend and New Zealand and will probably go back and fix it at some point but for now I'm not working on it
trying to sneak that neat little Upper Egypt-Lower Egypt situation in there all casual-like, i see you
Penultimate part of "L'entente Désespéré."
After the Imperial Japanese Navy made it clear that they intended to solve the "manpower problem" by sending women and children into Russia, the Army had enough. Moving swiftly, they executed a palace coup before the alert could be raised, then pulled back from "non-essential areas" to focus all efforts on hoisting their 'pet Tsar' onto the Russian throne. The German Empire was cautiously excited to reclaim their Pacific lands, but they knew that one day, the Rising Sun would return to finish the job...
In Brazil, the Synarquist government has refused all overtures of Allied-led peace. The Allies, especially the UK and the USA, are reaching the end of their patience. An interesting event in the Australian desert may soon force Brazil's hand...
Russia has collapsed into anarchy once again. Overburdened and overextended by a series of wars that they never had the money, manpower, or resources to fight, the White Movement government has finally shattered. Rumor has it that Vozhd Savinkov was murdered by his own bodyguards.
Directeur Maurras, on the verge of insanity, has mustered a final defense of what's left of his beloved Sorelian France. Where did it all go so wrong?
As the world braces itself for peace, nobody can shake the feeling that this story is not yet over.
["Gigyas is Fatally Wounded!" plays in the background]
After the Imperial Japanese Navy made it clear that they intended to solve the "manpower problem" by sending women and children into Russia, the Army had enough. Moving swiftly, they executed a palace coup before the alert could be raised, then pulled back from "non-essential areas" to focus all efforts on hoisting their 'pet Tsar' onto the Russian throne. The German Empire was cautiously excited to reclaim their Pacific lands, but they knew that one day, the Rising Sun would return to finish the job...
In Brazil, the Synarquist government has refused all overtures of Allied-led peace. The Allies, especially the UK and the USA, are reaching the end of their patience. An interesting event in the Australian desert may soon force Brazil's hand...
Russia has collapsed into anarchy once again. Overburdened and overextended by a series of wars that they never had the money, manpower, or resources to fight, the White Movement government has finally shattered. Rumor has it that Vozhd Savinkov was murdered by his own bodyguards.
Directeur Maurras, on the verge of insanity, has mustered a final defense of what's left of his beloved Sorelian France. Where did it all go so wrong?
As the world braces itself for peace, nobody can shake the feeling that this story is not yet over.
["Gigyas is Fatally Wounded!" plays in the background]
The western two-thirds of what would be known as Coprates quadrangle OTL.
On a side note, should we take it the America's are never discovered here?
Since this has a map in it , I'm posting it here:
Andorran assembly by partisan composition as of 1965:
Progressive (EF Hispania): 9 seats (P-G)
United Centrist (EF Hispania): 7 seats (N-G)
Renewed Center (EF Hispania): 2 seats (R-O)
Together for Progress (EF Catalonia): 2 seats (A-O)
Catalan: 5 seats (C-O)
Andorran assembly by composition as of 1965:
Popular General: 12 seats (5P + 3N + 1R + 1A + 2C)
Popular Senate: 2 seats (1P + 1N)
Tax Base Corporate: 1 seats (1P)
Tax Base Individual: 2 seats (1P + 1N)
Trade Farming: 2 seats (1R + 1C)
Trades General: 1 seat (1P)
Interest UOC: 3 seats (1N + 2C)
Interest Electoral French: 2 seats (1P + 1A)
Interest Scientific: 1 seat (1N)
Interests General: 1 seat (1P)
Parishes of Andorra by district leader party as of 1965:
Andorran assembly by partisan composition as of 1965:
Progressive (EF Hispania): 9 seats (P-G)
United Centrist (EF Hispania): 7 seats (N-G)
Renewed Center (EF Hispania): 2 seats (R-O)
Together for Progress (EF Catalonia): 2 seats (A-O)
Catalan: 5 seats (C-O)
Andorran assembly by composition as of 1965:
Popular General: 12 seats (5P + 3N + 1R + 1A + 2C)
Popular Senate: 2 seats (1P + 1N)
Tax Base Corporate: 1 seats (1P)
Tax Base Individual: 2 seats (1P + 1N)
Trade Farming: 2 seats (1R + 1C)
Trades General: 1 seat (1P)
Interest UOC: 3 seats (1N + 2C)
Interest Electoral French: 2 seats (1P + 1A)
Interest Scientific: 1 seat (1N)
Interests General: 1 seat (1P)
Parishes of Andorra by district leader party as of 1965:
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Here's a small map I've been working on called Gaddafi's African Empire.
The POD is Anwar Sadat getting assassinated right after the Yom Kippur War yet shortly after kicking the Soviet presence out. Egypt is left headless and without a military, while brutal infighting further discredits the Nasserist remnant and the Communists/Wafd Democrats/Islamists all sharpen the knives. The economy is paralyzed for several months, almost a year and the Islamists under the Muslim Brotherhood are left the dominant faction. A general strike emerges. Enter Gaddafi, who mobilizes and leverages his position in the Arab Federation plans alongside Soviet backing and capital flight from Egypt. Some analogy to the Border War breaks out a bit earlier, but this time there's low level insurgency in Egypt and a purged military establishment. At the same time, Gaafar Nimiery of Sudan takes advantage of this to further lean to Libya and intervene in Upper Egypt.
With greater external backings, there's an open Islamist leaning coup in Egypt as Gaddafi's armies are closing in on Alexandria. The new government is established as a pro Gaddafi client state whose external debts are (briefly) handled through the oil shock driving up prices in exchange for Libyan influence. Sudan, as a long side supporter of federation joins in as well. Sudan wins in on this by receiving more Libyan oil money and free trade with Egypt, in addition to being added into the Arab Federation, this in turn secures Nimiery the support of the Sudanese middle classes, while his privatization policies allow a backdoor channel into the Egyptian market by the West through Sudanese based banks. Of course, the honeymoon period soon ends and Nimeiry is arrested, shot, and replaced with Gaddafi loyalist Sadiq Al-Mahdi.
The Soviets in turn are rewarded with their bases restored in Alexandria, where they happily put missiles and a shiny new naval base. And of course, preferential trade agreements. They in turn, have a far easier time intervening abroad in Angola, Libya, and the Congo.
By 1975 Gaddafi is in control of everything from Libya to North Sudan, quickly working to bind the states together using a horrific mess of clientelism, satraps, oil money, Islamism, Soviet Support, and Pan Arabism. Paradoxically, little is felt for now. The Arab Federation works as an umbrella organization where Gaddafi calls the shots overall. As a result, the Libyan Cultural Revolution is largely butterflied away, as is the Jamahiriya. Instead the Brotherly leader works to consolidate his control abroad, supporting revolutionary causes across Africa against western tyranny. Up to an including such favorites such as the Derg and Bokassa's the Central African Empire.
Worldwide, the main causes of this are a strengthening of Soviet power. With bases and support in Egypt and Sudan it becomes easier, cheaper, and more effective to intervene abroad. At the same time, external pressures lead to the earlier and deeper formations of Gulf Coordination Council, a greater push to shift away from oil in favor of renewables and nuclear, and the implosion of the Congo as the stronger Soviet leaning countries in Central Africa finally decide they've had enough of Mobutu harboring rebels.
And the footnotes:
1- Though Tunisia is not a full member of the Arab Federation, the proximity and influence of Libya has meant it has fallen partially in its sphere of influence, acting as a liaison between the west and the Arab Federation.
2- The Muslim Brotherhood soon found out you shouldn't trust the Brotherly Leader and were soon purged and dismantled by Stasi trained Mukhabarat agents. Little mourn them.
3- The pros: everything is cheaper, foreign investment is back, the Egyptian market is reliable, cotton prices are high, Libya is a great source of work. The Cons: The Civil War is back and the Egyptian army is getting tired of fighting Sudan's battles. Oh and also the human rights abuses are horrific.
4- Unfortunately, no amount of Toyotas could save Chad for the upswing in Arab and Islamic nationalism, better trained armies, and the incompetence of military government in N'Djamena.
5- With Gaddafi actually able to provide financial aid to Bokassa here, he stays Muslim. Plundering the Congo has greatly enriched Bangui.
6- Unfortunately, the true king of Scotland was not able to achieve aid to last against the Tanzanians slightly longer. His replacement however, has managed to obtain something better- working trade with the federation.
7- Angola is really feeling that extra Soviet/Cuban/East German (and now Ethiopian!) aid.
8- Zambia's decided neutrality was boring and started playing kingmaker in Katanga and Angola.
9- Pretoria is bleeding men and money trying to prop up Namibia.
10- Atnafu Abante's Ethiopia is a lot less like like Mao and more like Tito.
11- The People's Republic of Yemen is the real winner of this timeline. Now that Aden bases actually get used.
12- King Faisal is desperately trying to walk the tightrope of modernity, reaction, and security.
13- With no one to invade, Iraq continues its golden era.
14- The Americans aren't taking any chances after losing Egypt. The Dirty War in Iran is one that makes Pinochet look like Mandela.
15- Without Egypt to rely on, Daud Khan is forced to make his country be a soviet vassal in all but name. This has avoided revolution, for now.
16- The IRA appreciates the solidarity of the Arabs.
The POD is Anwar Sadat getting assassinated right after the Yom Kippur War yet shortly after kicking the Soviet presence out. Egypt is left headless and without a military, while brutal infighting further discredits the Nasserist remnant and the Communists/Wafd Democrats/Islamists all sharpen the knives. The economy is paralyzed for several months, almost a year and the Islamists under the Muslim Brotherhood are left the dominant faction. A general strike emerges. Enter Gaddafi, who mobilizes and leverages his position in the Arab Federation plans alongside Soviet backing and capital flight from Egypt. Some analogy to the Border War breaks out a bit earlier, but this time there's low level insurgency in Egypt and a purged military establishment. At the same time, Gaafar Nimiery of Sudan takes advantage of this to further lean to Libya and intervene in Upper Egypt.
With greater external backings, there's an open Islamist leaning coup in Egypt as Gaddafi's armies are closing in on Alexandria. The new government is established as a pro Gaddafi client state whose external debts are (briefly) handled through the oil shock driving up prices in exchange for Libyan influence. Sudan, as a long side supporter of federation joins in as well. Sudan wins in on this by receiving more Libyan oil money and free trade with Egypt, in addition to being added into the Arab Federation, this in turn secures Nimiery the support of the Sudanese middle classes, while his privatization policies allow a backdoor channel into the Egyptian market by the West through Sudanese based banks. Of course, the honeymoon period soon ends and Nimeiry is arrested, shot, and replaced with Gaddafi loyalist Sadiq Al-Mahdi.
The Soviets in turn are rewarded with their bases restored in Alexandria, where they happily put missiles and a shiny new naval base. And of course, preferential trade agreements. They in turn, have a far easier time intervening abroad in Angola, Libya, and the Congo.
By 1975 Gaddafi is in control of everything from Libya to North Sudan, quickly working to bind the states together using a horrific mess of clientelism, satraps, oil money, Islamism, Soviet Support, and Pan Arabism. Paradoxically, little is felt for now. The Arab Federation works as an umbrella organization where Gaddafi calls the shots overall. As a result, the Libyan Cultural Revolution is largely butterflied away, as is the Jamahiriya. Instead the Brotherly leader works to consolidate his control abroad, supporting revolutionary causes across Africa against western tyranny. Up to an including such favorites such as the Derg and Bokassa's the Central African Empire.
Worldwide, the main causes of this are a strengthening of Soviet power. With bases and support in Egypt and Sudan it becomes easier, cheaper, and more effective to intervene abroad. At the same time, external pressures lead to the earlier and deeper formations of Gulf Coordination Council, a greater push to shift away from oil in favor of renewables and nuclear, and the implosion of the Congo as the stronger Soviet leaning countries in Central Africa finally decide they've had enough of Mobutu harboring rebels.
And the footnotes:
1- Though Tunisia is not a full member of the Arab Federation, the proximity and influence of Libya has meant it has fallen partially in its sphere of influence, acting as a liaison between the west and the Arab Federation.
2- The Muslim Brotherhood soon found out you shouldn't trust the Brotherly Leader and were soon purged and dismantled by Stasi trained Mukhabarat agents. Little mourn them.
3- The pros: everything is cheaper, foreign investment is back, the Egyptian market is reliable, cotton prices are high, Libya is a great source of work. The Cons: The Civil War is back and the Egyptian army is getting tired of fighting Sudan's battles. Oh and also the human rights abuses are horrific.
4- Unfortunately, no amount of Toyotas could save Chad for the upswing in Arab and Islamic nationalism, better trained armies, and the incompetence of military government in N'Djamena.
5- With Gaddafi actually able to provide financial aid to Bokassa here, he stays Muslim. Plundering the Congo has greatly enriched Bangui.
6- Unfortunately, the true king of Scotland was not able to achieve aid to last against the Tanzanians slightly longer. His replacement however, has managed to obtain something better- working trade with the federation.
7- Angola is really feeling that extra Soviet/Cuban/East German (and now Ethiopian!) aid.
8- Zambia's decided neutrality was boring and started playing kingmaker in Katanga and Angola.
9- Pretoria is bleeding men and money trying to prop up Namibia.
10- Atnafu Abante's Ethiopia is a lot less like like Mao and more like Tito.
11- The People's Republic of Yemen is the real winner of this timeline. Now that Aden bases actually get used.
12- King Faisal is desperately trying to walk the tightrope of modernity, reaction, and security.
13- With no one to invade, Iraq continues its golden era.
14- The Americans aren't taking any chances after losing Egypt. The Dirty War in Iran is one that makes Pinochet look like Mandela.
15- Without Egypt to rely on, Daud Khan is forced to make his country be a soviet vassal in all but name. This has avoided revolution, for now.
16- The IRA appreciates the solidarity of the Arabs.
A Toasted World
Part I: West Coast of Turtle Island
Part II: Nordic Countries
Part III: Britain and Ireland
Part I: West Coast of Turtle Island
Part II: Nordic Countries
Part III: Britain and Ireland
I can do Greater Germany for you if you don't mind. I probably wouldn't end up doing a write-up though.
Analogous Stupidity (Fire at Will)
Forgot to upload this here when I finished it. Another installation in the Analogous Stupidity series, this time based off of gun ownership statistics! While I went for an older PoD with Literacy Swap, this time I opted for something more recent to change things up a little. This gets rather weird, so consider yourself warned.
The nuclear war of 1983 didn't completely tear down human civilization, but the rediscovery of nuclear weapons by the surviving nations, the subsequent escalation of tensions in a near-mirror of the events of centuries prior, clearly demonstrating that humanity had learned nothing from its mistakes, and the following nuclear war did. Global civilization was annihilated save for a few small pockets here and there around the world, and humanity was left to slowly recover.
And recover it did. An island nation, formerly called Comoros, became the Comoryan Empire and came to dominate many of the non-irradiated parts of the world, mostly islands (by this point, the radiation was beginning to die down, but not to the point that large-scale resettling of the mainland would be possible for a few centuries). A preacher of the John Frum cargo cult (which had survived over all these years since the wars, albeit in a rather altered form) in Comoryan Grenada, Luther of L'Appele, would attract a substantial following, and his followers would go on to form a new religion called Salvationism. After the fall of the Comoryan Empire, West Africa (which had been one of the areas hit the least hard by the nukes and had also avoided Comoryan conquest for the most part) began to rise, with the formation of the new religion of Soumissionism in the lands of Tschad only serving to bring it together more, and the West Africans even succeeded in seizing the holy land of Grenada, prompting the by now thoroughly-Salvationist civilizations of the Pacific to launch several furious crusades against them, to no avail. The rediscovery of the continent of Azia prompted a wave of colonization by the Salvationists, and the few survivors of the nuclear wars in Azia, already battered, few in number, and weakened further by Pacifican diseases, fell before them. The civilizations of the Pacific, once one of the most backwards parts of the world, had now become the dominant global powers. The Federation of Azia, a former colony of Scotland [1], broke away from its former master after a violent revolution, while the people of Marshallands [2] revolted against their monarchy and installed an authoritarian republic, only for a great general to rise up and attempt to conquer the Pacific, but he was stopped after a failed invasion of the Kongolese Empire and subsequently exiled. The Salvationist scramble for land didn't end there, and the majority of the world would end up theirs over the course of the next several decades.
However, the outbreak of the First Pan-Oceanic War, which ended with the humiliation and defeat of Fiji and the ascension of the Federation of Azia to being regarded as a great power, was the beginning of the end for Salvationist imperialism. The Third Fijian Empire, a genocidal totalitarian state, was defeated in the Second Pan-Oceanic War by the allied powers of the Federation of Azia, Scotland, Marshallands, and the Union of Kongolese Communist States, which had based its post-monarchy ideology off of surviving copies of the Communist Manifesto that had been translated decades prior by a Fijian scholar. In the aftermath, the two great powers of Azia and Kongo faced off in the Third Cold War, and for several decades the world looked to be on the verge of a third devastating nuclear war that would tear the world apart again.
In the end, however, humanity learned from its mistakes and war never broke out. The Union of Kongolese Communist States collapsed on its own, leaving Azia as the sole global power, and it looked as if peace would finally prevail. However, a few decades after the fall of the UKCS, the globe is heating up once more. West Africa has been plagued by violence after the fall of the Palestinian Empire, and the rise of radical Soumissionist terrorism hasn't helped matters. The member states of the Neutral Union, an economic/political union that has come to dominate many of the former colonial powers, is divided on allowing in refugees from the Soumissionist world, and the recent decision of Scotland to leave the NU has created a great deal of controversy. Azia is growing increasingly polarized, and the current president isn't much helping matters. The Kongolese Republic, which took over after the fall of the UKCS, has slid right back into dictatorship once more. The Syrian Communist Empire, which is only communist in name by this point, is only growing in power with each new year, and many predict that it will eclipse Azia in the future. The world is at a dangerous turning point, and where it goes may decide whether there will be yet another nuclear war that sets humanity back to square one again.
[1] The Scottish were the largest group of survivors after World Wars III and IV. They were displaced south thanks to the encroaching ice and ended up repopulating Britain.
[2] What we know as the Marshall Islands. The name got contracted over time.
Very interesting. I've seen swapping things like GDP, but never gun ownership. What other statistics do you have in store?
That certainly is interesting, some current-Bosnia located state with a colonial empire is something, is the world warmer than ours? what's up with the mediteranean sea, did some alt atlantropa happen? did the ice ages fuck up with the gibraltar strait? It's kinda sad most of the world speaks english, also how the F did scott survive so well? Scotland has some important submarine base and radar/military instalations IRL and would likely be as nuked if not more as any other part of britain.
Also could someone explain to me the link with gun ownership? I don't get it.
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