Why? I was frustrated trying to prevent the war just to learn I was wasting my time. I need time off this mod.
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
- Thread starter RiverDelta
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While you can't prevent the civil war outright, you can determine how strong the factions are at the start and you can eliminate one of the radical factions, making winning as the Feds much easier. Besides, it's kind of dumb to uninstall the mod over this when you could play any other country. Plus I think there's a submod that restores the option to avoid the civil war if it really matters to you that much.
This is coming from someone who doesn't have Kaiserreich installed, but I never really understood the obsession with the United States avoiding the 2nd ACW. I get the idea of trying to avoid it for the sake of a challenge in-game, but what I don't get is why people seem to be keen on preventing the 2nd ACW in their own scenarios, like in KR TLs on this site. In my opinion, the 2nd ACW and its factions are much more interesting, especially from a world-building perspective, than the United States avoiding the conflict, which, as far as I can tell, had much less lore in-game anyway. And the 2nd ACW has always felt like a defining feature of the Kaiserreich world to me (the modders seem to think so too if their YouTube channel is anything to go off of), which just makes it even more odd to me that there's a small trend in KR TLs to replace a core component of the scenario with a relatively bland United States that isn't extremely different from OTL aside from being in the Kaiserreich world.
One reason is that whoever wins will unbalance the world order quite drastically, whereas the boring US can go back to being boring and noninterventionist.
Avoiding the civil war wasn't even a challenge, there was no skill involved in it. You had to either know the exact steps in advance, repeatedly reload your save to get the correct option, or be insanely lucky and just happen to pick the right option every time.
But outside of the CSA, don't most 2nd ACW have a post-war option on their focus trees of just keeping to the Americas?
The CSA does as well, which is nice for when the Internationale has already been defeated by the time you're in shape to join the war.
Really? Neat. Does the CSA form a Fourth Internationale or something?
what happened to Ireland, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, the low countries, and Morocco and Thailand and Ecuador?
Ireland is a democratic republic that gets reparations from Britain for Mosley's dickheadedness. The socialists in Sinn Fein still win some elections and it's basically the neutral ground between the main blocs.
Haiti is a thriving lil' buddy to America. The Dominican Republic is stable but not doing as well economically.
The Netherlands had an election rigged by the right wing in collaboration with the far right, then got couped by bugfuck crazy totalists who went too far even for Valois and Mosley by "banning capitalist thoughts" and executing as many of the royal family as they could find, which caused the Netherlands to implode in a disastrous civil war until the Germans stomped France and Dutch moderates had the presence of mind to invite the Kaiser in. Viktoria Luise Hohenzollern is the current Queen of the Netherlands, which causes some controversy. (I know the mod has the Patriotten take control with few bumps, but I think there would be a few reactions to an attempt to ban certain thoughts)
Flanders and Wallonia were separated. The pre-Weltkrieg Belgian kings were invited back to rule Flanders, and Adalbert was put back in charge of Wallonia with even more minders to keep him from doing anything stupid. This solved nothing and now both Flanders and Wallonia are paralyzed by infighting between pro-union Albertines, pro-union Adalbertines, anti-union Albertines, anti-union Adalbertines, and republicans both pro- and anti-union. Germany just funnels them cash every now and then to keep the roads paved.
Morocco is independent and getting filthy stinking rich off of tourism. They are in the process of ensuring that their Saharan territories are rebel-free. The Germans pretend that this isn't happening. The Internationale has bigger fish to fry.
Thailand had a civil war, recovered, saw Reds on either side, and declared neutrality.
Ecuador is Red mostly because America used them as a base to "clarify" the relationship between Chicago and Lima. South America is largely Red except for Brazil, which is anti-Red but doing its own thing in the hopes of starting their own bloc.
I see the Dominican Republic conquering Haiti in the war. and for Mexico, I see a nationalist coup, which goes horribly wrong and leads to America invading and putting the reds back in power. also what happened to the Indian subcontinent and Italy? hows Albania and Indonesia?
Mexico actually keeps stable under Villa. Which is why they're surprised that America is chill with them post-war; Pancho Villa was rather unpopular in the USA.
Commonwealth said "you no fighty" to the Hispaniolan nations.
India is Red and somewhat more authoritarian than America, though there's a major protest movement going on trying to fix that. Italy is a really awkward confederation of German-backed monarchies; Mussolini was never super popular in the Socialist Republic and syndicalist sentiment is high there, which the Commonwealth is trying to fan the flames of so they can get a sympathetic state in Europe. There hasn't yet been a Korean War-equivalent and nukes were developed later, so the two superpowers still haven't quite gotten used to the idea of MAD and some really dumb ideas are gaining traction. Anyway, the North Italian monarchy (under the guys who can become dukes of Lombardy in-game) is aware that the populace is unhappy and so is very permissive with the parties allowed to run. The Two Sicilies are authoritarian and kinda shitty. The Papacy gave up its power to the Roman Republic, which is the place the Internationale and Reichspakt go when Ireland is busy, Finland is too cold, and business needs to be sorted.
Sardinia is irrelevant and settling into peaceful impotence.
Albania is a Pakt member and close to Vienna politically.
Insulindia is part of the Japanese sphere, but they've gotten smart and together with the Philippines are extracting concessions from the Japanese that are helping them industrialize. The tail is wagging the dog and Tokyo hasn't yet figured out a way to stop it, which drives the Japanese far-right nuts.
Bunch of German puppets to greater and lesser degrees. The ultranationalists were largely discredited by WK2 (Savinkov's invasion hit right as they tried rising up in most of the eastern states, and so they're seen as shortsighted idiots), but the Germans also recognized that they had to lay off the naked puppetry. There was a bit of a quiet struggle between Wilhelm III's far-right toadies and his second son who was basically the agent of the liberal and socdem parties, Wilhelm "voluntarily abdicated due to unfitness to rule" shortly before his natural but politically convenient death, a new policy of "pan-European cooperation" was undertaken, and while Germany is still definitely top dog with Austria as #2, France is regaining economic weight and the eastern European states are getting actual help industrializing instead of being stripped of resources.
Ukraine is still chaotic and unstable, but all agree that the Germans are better than the Vozhd was.
Belarus is under Waldemar, who has supported the transfer of basically all power to the parliament. He's pretty popular after proving a braver man than his asshole brother when the Vozhd closed in on Minsk; heck, when the left-republicans won big in the last election they didn't even demand that he abdicate.
Lithuania is a quiet and mild-mannered sort of democratic republic.
Latvia and Estonia were let go on the grounds that the United Baltic Duchy was dead in the water and another Baltic Revolt would've been a disaster for everybody. Wilhelm III and his buddies were against Further Retreats, but when Wilhelm III "voluntarily abdicated" and von Schleicher "took an extended vacation for the sake of his constitution", the new government elected to release the little countries and use soft power.
Poland is in another regency. However, this time it's because none of the parties with major support could decide what to do or who to declare King, so the Reds and the far-right of all people momentarily set aside their differences to recommend a parliamentary constitutional monarchy permanently without a monarch. Somehow, it works, though literally the only thing the government seems actually capable of doing is paving roads. And even then it's because the Germans wanted to build railways and autobahns to Ukraine through Polish territory.
Liberia finally has its economy back in something approaching a functional state, but the Americans (when they came in to support Liberia in the collapse of the colonial regimes) found that the Liberian Destiny government was...doing rather bad things. Things not suitably representative of fraternal syndicalist brotherhood. Things like shooting native Liberian dissidents so the Anglophone population could take there stuff. Steps Were Taken. Now Liberia is effectively run by the "fraternal socialist military support mission" that reports to Chicago, largely because the ethnic strife left the new Liberian government paralyzed, so the whole place is basically an armed camp that's the Internationale's main foothold in western Africa; Red Gabon is a voluntary partner but between lingering postcolonial authoritarianism that upsets Chicago's more ideologically purist politicos and a poor strategic position, Gabon is less critical to the Internationale's African business.
I'm mostly surprised by Viktoria Luise when KR currently allows Germany to place another 'German' monarch on the Dutch throne with a slightly stronger veneer of Dutch connections.
Meh, I thought it would be funny and she's become one of those meme things anyway.
Just install the sub mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1752024615&searchtext=
AeroTheZealousOne
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My only main qualm with the civil war no longer being possible to avert is that I can no longer seem to get the Progressives in power as the Feds. Maybe I'm just biased in thinking that Henry Wallace would make a better President than Quentin Roosevelt given the circumstances, but if I want my fill of "far-enough-left-wing-not-to-be-a-Syndicalist" then I guess I'll just play as the PSA or elect the SocDems as Japan sometime in the '40s. Or just play as Ireland under Cathal Brugha.
Oh, my headcanon? I am not entirely sure yet. I'd have to get back to you folks on that.
Oh, my headcanon? I am not entirely sure yet. I'd have to get back to you folks on that.