Not gonna lie im actually pissed Mecca has no great work for the Kaaba, yet notre dame exist in game also Petra but you know the fucking most important building in islam, second most important religion in the game (you know what i mean the main 'antagonist' to the crusaders). The house of god where the decision to the Hajj in game takes you doesn't exist in game, but fucking Petra a largely forgotten place gets represented. Also great mosque of Cordoba but you know fuck actually anything Muslim related in terms of great works.
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I agree, but didn’t they put the Notre Dame there because of the fire?
Notre Dame is there in large part because of the fire, it should be said. But yes, the Great Mosque of Cordoba is a suggestion that should be fairly easy to implement. I can see them having problems with deciding how to implement Kaaba, both from taste and in work-investment perspectives, but there already is a Great Mosque great work type, so Cordoba should be no harder than Konark (although TBF about Konark that one might be because otherwise there's no historic Great Works at all in that area of the map). There is, one could argue, the House of Wisdom, but that is only Muslim related if you know its history from outside the game and usually being under Muslim control in-game.
The Kaaba has been sacked before even by muslims, so theres no taste problem also work investment its a cube and its Islam there leaving one of the major religions fucked doing that. Also the great work in Rome i guarantee if less well known than the Kaaba. Muslims are obliged to go to it yet it gets no great work. The Kaaba is very important it gives legitimacy as your the custodians and power to be the caliph also to control the Hajj.
With taste I meant more exactly how it should be represented, what boni it should grant, what its features should be, that kind of things. There is also the question of if there should be a Kaaba-esque Great Work type for it to be an historic version of, or if it should be truly unique in a way none of the other historic Great Works are.
With work investment I meant that if you look at the historic great works they all correspond to a standard type - Notre Dame is pretty much a Great Cathedral, the Apostolic Palace is like a Royal Palace, Petra is like an Underground City, and so on. But what would the Kaaba be? None of the currently existing ones stand out as all that appropriate, so they'd have to make a new type, which is (pretty considerably, for artists) more work.
Agreed, one of the things I've really wanted to do is do a Shi'a run from 769, and having the Kaaba in-game would make taking control from the Sunnis and becoming the majority sect more entertaining.
One of the interesting things to note about the new start date they're including is the political situation in West Francia/France.
To give an idea, here are the major players you could play:
And of course, the new start date will also probably have a major involvement from the Hungarians, which should be lead by Zoltan, son of Arpad. I know it's not the only way to spell his name but I'm a Witcher fan so fuck it, that's the one I'm picking.
Cathedrals were generally among the pinnacle of medieval architecture and they were also some of the most important building of their time. So having a Grand Cathedral among the Wonders fits because it's really a marvel of medieval architecture and fits very well with the wonder motif going in Great Works.
Sure Notre Dame isn't the oldest nor the biggest cathedral ever built. It's also not the only cathedral of France. It is however one of the best known if not the best known cathedral in the world, which does make it stand out from the rest.
And finally, you could also consider that Paris was a relatively important city in the Middle Age: it served as capital for the Kingdom of France and it had one of the biggest universities of medieval Europe. So adding a wonder in the city kinda fits with its importance. But in terms of best known buildings from Paris dating from the medieval era and fitting the wonder category, there are only two: the Louvre, which started as a medieval Palace, and Notre Dame. They probably picked the latter because it was easier to include.
To give an idea, here are the major players you could play:
- Louis IV d'Outremer (ca.920-954), the carolingian King of France. He's technically only been restored on the throne on June 19th, which means he's really fresh on the throne. He is also the son of Charles III the Simple, who had been deposed by the French nobility for being too interested in Lotharingia basically. Louis IV basically grew in exile at the court of his maternal grandfather Edward the Ancient of Wessex and the only reason he's been put back on the throne is because Hugues the Great called him back. We thus have a very young King, one of the last legitimate Carolingians around, with ties to Wessex, ruling a French Kingdom that seems pretty hostile to him.
- Hugues the Great (898-956), the son of Robert I of France and the father of Hugues Capet. He technically could have succeeded his father after the latter died in 923, but he refused the crown in fear of losing his lands. Instead, the crown went to his brother-in-law, Raoul (or Rudolph) of Burgundy. Rudolph died on January 15th, 936 without children so Hugues could have claimed the throne for himself but he chose not too, instead calling back Louis IV. That doesn't mean Hugues weighs nothing in the Kingdom: he's probably the most powerful noble of France at the time and Louis IV granted him the title of Dux Francorum on July 25th, 936, which basically made him second only to the King in terms of importance. As such, he is basically the real power behind the throne.
- Hugues the Black (died in 952), not to be confused with the above. He is the younger brother of Raoul of Burgundy, who was Louis IV's predecessor. He technically succeeded his brother as Duke of Burgundy when the latter ascended the French throne, so he's not without a powerbase. He also happens to be very hostile to the restored Louis IV, whom he OTL only acknwoledged in 938... and whom Hugues the Great also asked to partition the Duchy of Burgundy a bit (Hugues the Black lost the counties of Troyes, Langres and Sens in the deal). So he's a powerful noble with a potential claim on the throne. He also had dealings with the Kings of Burgundy.
- Herbert II of Vermandois (ca.880-943), another huge player in the events. He's technically a carolingian by birth as he is a descendant of Bernard of Italy. He is best known in history for having captured Charles III the Simple in 923 and having used him as a prisonner to gain advantages for him and his family. He has a pretty strong powerbase in Northern France, but he is also not pretty popular at court and he's prone to intrigue.
- William Longsword (ca.910-942), son of Rollo of Normandy. That alone makes him interesting because he's basically the second jarl of Normandy. It's not the only thing that makes him interesting as OTL he was involved beween the disputes of the above players, but admittedly that's the main one.
And of course, the new start date will also probably have a major involvement from the Hungarians, which should be lead by Zoltan, son of Arpad. I know it's not the only way to spell his name but I'm a Witcher fan so fuck it, that's the one I'm picking.
I think that's a bit harsh to say Notre Dame is only there because of the fire that ravaged it a few weeks ago.
Cathedrals were generally among the pinnacle of medieval architecture and they were also some of the most important building of their time. So having a Grand Cathedral among the Wonders fits because it's really a marvel of medieval architecture and fits very well with the wonder motif going in Great Works.
Sure Notre Dame isn't the oldest nor the biggest cathedral ever built. It's also not the only cathedral of France. It is however one of the best known if not the best known cathedral in the world, which does make it stand out from the rest.
And finally, you could also consider that Paris was a relatively important city in the Middle Age: it served as capital for the Kingdom of France and it had one of the biggest universities of medieval Europe. So adding a wonder in the city kinda fits with its importance. But in terms of best known buildings from Paris dating from the medieval era and fitting the wonder category, there are only two: the Louvre, which started as a medieval Palace, and Notre Dame. They probably picked the latter because it was easier to include.
(Added character pictures and updated Duke Romano's entry because I'll be continuing this story with Part II shortly. Enjoy!)
The Counts and Dukes of Tusculum
Defenders of the Holy Roman Church
Part I
Defenders of the Holy Roman Church
Part I
Defenders of the Church and rightful heirs to the ancient Roman legacy, the Tusculani trace their descent from Theophylactus (846-924), the first Count of Tusculum, sacri palatii vestararius, magister militum, senator, glorissimus dux, dominus urbis, and Consul of Rome, and his wife the powerful matriarch and senatrix Theodora. Through their daughters Marozia and Theodora and their lines, the Tusculani have risen to become the chief of the Papal nobility, presiding over the Papacy as its stalwart shield and guide. Naysayers would speak of the saeculum obscurum, the Pornocracy and the Rule of the Harlots to challenge the Tusculani's dedication to the Holy Mother Church, but their opinions matter little for as long as there sits a Pope in Rome and a Tusculani to his ever faithful side.
Alberico III (970-1036), Count and Duke of Tusculum (1011/1028-1036)
Albericus, consul, dux et patricius Romanorum
Comes sacri palatii Lateranensis
Alberico II, was the third and youngest son of Giorgio Tusculani, Count of Tusculum, himself a great-grandson of the family patriarch Count Theophylactus. Whereas his two elder brothers Theophylactus and Romanus were made priests of the cloth and princes of the Church, destiny had bound Alberico to rule as a prince of the State and progenitor of the new generation of Tusculani. Count Alberico was a remarkable man cut in the figure of his noble line; a charismatic negotiator with splendid mastery over words and a skillful scheme to navigate Eternal Rome. With his eldest brother having been elected Pope as Benedict VIII in 1012, Count Alberico presided over the apogee of his family in the Curia, a time of unchallenged splendor and grandeur, even as Alberico himself served as Chancellor of the Holy Roman Church, his cousin Giovanni, the Pope's son, as Camerlengo, and their brother Romano as one of the crimson-clad Cardinals of the Church.
Alberico extended his family and the Church's rule from the lordships of Tusculum and Segni to the counties of Ceccano and Fondi. For his valor, the Pope made him Duke of Gaeta, although Alberico and his heirs were henceforth known as the Dukes of Tusculum.
Duke Alberico died of pneumonia at age sixty-six. He had five sons. Although none managed to emulate Benedict VIII and rise to the Papal throne, the Tusculani were left in good hands:
- Gregorio (1000-1061), who succeeded his father as Duke of Tusculum, Count of Segni, Ceccano and Fondi, later canonized as Saint Gregorio the Righteous of Tusculum,
- Pietro (1001-1030), the Chancellor of Tusculum, who died young of gluttony. He left two daughters, the ladies Aurora and Luigia, both of whom married members of the Roman court, although only the latter eventually gave him a posthumous grandson, Tommaso Tusculani, a mastermind theologian set for a splendid Church career,
- Cardinal Guido (1003-1055), Bishop of Piperno, Bishop of Ferrentino and Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church. An unremarkable man, he was married the Lombard noble Adelasia Obertenghi (b. 1011), daughter of the Duke of Milan, who retired to a convent upon his appointment as bishop. They had one son, Pericle Tusculani (b. 1029), Baron of Albano and Gonfalonier of Tusculum, one of the most brilliant minds and generals of the Christian world. With his wife Othelindis, Pericle has a ten year old daughter, Cristina (b. 1058)
- Ottaviano (1004-1032), the least noteworthy of Duke Alberico's sons, ironically named after Octavian Augustus. He was an unremarkable man of unremarkable skill, dying of pneumonia before he could be shuffled off to a Church career,
- Theophylactus (1012-1047), his father's greatest frustration, as unremarkable as Ottaviano, but longer lived. He was made Bishop of Alatri before dying of pneumonia at age thirty-five. (in OTL he became Pope Benedict IX)
Saint Gregory II the Righteous (1000-1061), Duke of Tusculum (1036-1061)
Sanctus Gregorius, consul, dux, senator et patricius Romanorum
Lateranensis et Tusculanensis comes
Duke Gregorio was perhaps the best the Tusculani had to offer. An unambitious man, unlike many of his forefathers, Gregorio was already a paragon of Christendom and a true Christian knight before his inheritance of his father's lands and titles. In his life he was known as Gregorio the Wise for his piety and remarkable skills, which allowed him to serve as Chancellor of the Holy Roman Church and gonfalonier, as his father before him. He ably ruled Tusculum despite his poor health and won renown as a layman member of the Benedictine Order. Gregorio was also a prolific writer, having authored the famed Speculum Regale, a model example of eleventh century literature in the genre of mirror of princes. However, his crowning achievement was the discovery and acquisition of the glorious Crown of Thorns, a true relic of Jesus Christ that came into his possession in 1044 and has been held for display at the Vatican ever since, under the always faithful and pious custody of the Tusculani Counts of the Sacred Palace.
For his exemplary service to the Mother Church and his piety and many achievements in life, Gregorio the Wise was first beatified and then canonized as St. Gregorio the Righteous five years after his death. In his act of canonization, Gregorio was described by Pope Alexander II as a man of honest nature and a true exorcist of the forces of Lucifer, although Gregorio was never known to have performed an exorcism in life. He is buried at the fortress town of Tusculum, and his shrine attracts many pilgrims to this day.
Duke Gregorio was married thrice. First, to Bisina Liudolfinger (999-1021), daughter of Emperor Heinrich I, with whom he had one daughter before she prematurely died of the flu. His second wife was Theodoule Boioanna (1001-1030), daughter of the Greek Strategos of Longobardia who by a stroke of fortune later became Emperor Basil III of the Greeks. After Theodoule's death of the flu, Gregorio married one more time to the Roman noblewoman Arianna Trinci, although the marriage was never consummated as he had sworn himself to celibacy following his second wife's death. Gregorio fathered four children:
- Teodora (1020-1080), who married firstly prince Béla of Pannonia, excommunicated and burned at the stake by Pope Stephen IX for heresy, and secondly the handsome and intelligent Bernard the Chiny, a French nobleman. She gave birth to three children of the Árpád and Tusculani bloodlines: the military commander Adalberto Tusculani (childlessly married to Liviana Aleramici), the handsome but otherwise unremarkable Gregorio (who married the Greek noblewoman Helene Kourtikissa), and the promising child Alberico, her only child by Bernard de Chiny, who eventually would reign as Pope.
- Romano (1023-1088), who succeeded his father as Duke of Tusculum
- Libera (1026-1066), Queen of Italy by marriage to King Guiberto d'Ivrée. After Guiberto's death, Libera married Prince Hughes of France, who died at age sixteen before he could succeed to the throne. Libera herself died young, bleeding from the eyes and ears at age forty. She had two daughters by Guiberto: Princess Berta of Italy, recently forced into a convent by her uncle, and Princess Maura, who married her cousin Romolo Tusculani.
- Basilio (1029-1092), Baron of Albano, named after his grandfather the Greek Emperor, a military man second in command of the Tusculani forces, after his cousin Baron Pericle. He married his half-aunt, the Greek purpleborn princess Konstantina Boianna, although her family has since been dislodged from the purple. He was granted the Barony of Albano after Baron Pericle's death, inaugurating the line of the Basilii, which would be extinguished in the male line with the death of his namesake great-grandson in 1111.
Romano II the Brave (1023-1088), Count and Duke of Tusculum and Naples (1061-1088)
Romanus, consul, dux, senator et patricius Romanorum
Lateranensis et Tusculanensis comes
Romano Tusculani was the eldest son of Duke Gregorio and Theodoule Boianna. A man as competent with words as he is with the sword, Duke Romano was the most powerful of the Roman nobles, reigning from the stronghold of Tusculum when he is not attending the Curia as Chancellor of the Holy Roman Church, as his father and grandfather had been before him. Romano was a more ambitious man than his father ever was and dreamed of expanding Tusculani *cough cough* Church lands further south into Italy, watching Naples and Amalfi with hungry eyes, although he was surrounded by the Holy Roman Empire in the north and the Greek Empire in the south.
His ambitions were eventually made manifest through war. It took Romano nearly fifteen years to fabricate solid claims to the lands to his south, but in 1074 he finally went to war against Eirenaios Spartenos of Naples, defeating him the next year and claiming the Duchy of Naples through right of conquest. The Spartenids unsuccessfully rose in rebellion three years later, only for them to be expelled from Italy and for the city of Naples to be added directly to the Tusculani domains. A year later, war against the Republic of Amalfi followed, and Duke Romano had himself made Count of Amalfi.
Duke Romano was married four times. Firstly, to Martina Visconti (1022-1060), genius daughter of the Lord of Martesana, with whom he had three children. Secondly to the Pisan noblewoman Ornella Gherardesca (1033-1076), who gave him another two sons. Thirdly, to Bruna Ottaviani (1031-1076), of the rival Crescentii clan in Rome, who died only weeks after their wedding of dysentery. His fourth and final wife was the Lombard noblewoman Armida di Virle (1048-1116), who gave birth to his youngest son.
- Romolo (1042-1109), a shrewd military man skilled with words. He is married to his first cousin the Princess Maura of Italy, daughter of the late King Guiberto and the true heir to the Iron Crown. Named after the founder of Rome, he considers the Eternal City his birthright. He would reign as Duke Romolo the Magnanimous for ten years and become one of the most successful Dukes of Tusculum in history.
- Oreste (b. 1044), his father's spymaster and later Count of Salerno, born with a clubfoot and thus impeded from a military career. He is a man skilled with words and an admirable schemer, loyal to his father. He married the Lombard noblewoman Asia di Bertinoro (1050-1120), daughter of Count Lamberto of Bertinoro, with whom he had two children: Romano (b. 1067), Teodora (1068-1115) and Ilaria (b. 1070),
- Olimpia (b. 1057), who married Jaromir of the Premyslids and gave birth to two children: the great Caio Tusculani (b. 1076), Baron of Albano and later Count of Montefeltro and Marshall of Tusculum, who married the Greek noblewoman Theocharistine Koutersissa and had one daughter, Teocarista (b. 1106); and the lady Martina Tusculani (b. 1080), Queen of Poland through her marriage to King Wieslaw II the Wicked, mother of three,
- Theophylactus (1065-1118), Baron of Albano, who served Tusculum as Marshall. He married firstly the Tuscan noblewoman Pamela Alliata and secondly a Latin commoner named Fiammetta. He had one daughter, the childless lady Amalia (b. 1090)
- Prospero (1074-1076), who died a sickly infant,
- Pericle (1083-1120), Bishop of Piperno, destined for a Church career, but dead before his time.
Although Duke Romano's power would pale in comparison to that of his son and grandson, his tremendous legacy cannot be questioned. With the conquest of Naples and Amalfi, thriving and populous cities in their own right, Romano II became the first of the Tusculani to extend their word and rule beyond Latium into Southern Italy. The men and incomes of Naples and Amalfi would be the backbone of further Tusculani expansion in the reigns of his successors, which would eventually witness the restoration of the Pornocracy and the rise of the family as the most powerful of the Italian princes, for the glory and honor of the Holy Mother Church.
The Counts and Dukes of Tusculum
Defenders of the Holy Roman Church
Part II
Romolo the Magnanimous (1042-1109), Count and Duke of Tusculum (1088-1098)
Romulus, consul, dux, senator et patricius Romanorum
Lateranensis et Tusculanensis comes
Duke of Tusculum
Duke of Naples
Prince of Salerno
It is said that when Romolo came into this world, his father Romano, Duke of Tusculum, took the infant in him arms and held him in the direction of Rome. He named him after the founder of the Eternal City, for Rome would one day be his. Such were the ambitions of the father, though Romano could never have imagined the extent to which his son would see them fulfilled. Although Romolo would never rule as King of Italy by the right of his wedded wife and cousin, the Princess Maura, fate had a far grander purpose for him in mind.
Romolo would only rule for ten years as Duke of Tusculum, the shortest reign of any of his predecessors. Those ten years would be plagued by war, but would also be blessed by prosperity for Tusculum and its ruling family. Romolo succeeded his father and grandfather as Chancellor of the Holy Roman Church, but it was a time which demanded more swords than words. For his decade of rule, the Pope in Rome and the Emperor in Germany were at odds with each other, and when two rulers of their caliber clash, death and despair inevitably follow. At one side of the conflict stood Pope Lucius II, an Irishman turned Vicar of Christ, later canonized as a saint of the Universal Church. His opponent was Rutschin von Lauffen, Count of Tyrol and Margrave of Meissen, elected and crowned Holy Roman Emperor. Their war would last a decade and place the Tusculani right in the middle. Duke Romolo, an ever faithful Christian, chose to support His Holiness the Pope, and when the Papal armies marched, Duke Romolo stood at their helm. At the Battle of Aquino, Romolo defeated the armies commanded by Emperor Rutschin himself, although numbers would cede victory to the Emperor in later battles. Romolo also proved himself a brilliant strategist and siege leader, subjugating many a town and castle in Central Italy to the Pope's will, although he and Lucius II often had a troubled relationship. In the meantime, Romolo waged war against the Doux of Lucania, in rebellion against the Greek Emperor, and had himself made Count and Prince of Salerno.
Duke Romolo married twice. Firstly, to his cousin the Princess Maura of Italy, rightful heiress of the Iron Crown, with whom he had two daughters. Secondly to Princess Itala Ardengheschi, daughter of King Publio of Sardinia, which was childless.
- Artemia (b. 1070), his brilliant eldest daughter, a steward without a match, who married her cousin Romano Tusculani, who would later rule as Duke Romano III. They had five children,
- Libera (1073-1113), an unremarkable woman who died childless and unmarried, having been given no husband to avoid the establishment of a rival line to the Iron Crown of Italy.
It is written in the family chronicles of Tusculum that Duke Romolo found faith and religion in the decade-long war between the Papacy and the Holy Roman Emperor, after witnessing the sheer brutality and horrors of warfare. More cynical writers would claim that Romolo wished a greater purpose in life than merely serving the Pope in the Pope's wars, others yet that his rivalry with Lucius II was far deeper than previously thought and that he wished to dethrone him. Regardless of fact and the true truth, Duke Romolo renounced all his titles and holdings after only ten years of rule in order to join the clergy as a member of the Benedictine Order and a Prince of the Church, as many of his ancestors had done before him. He was succeeded by his nephew and son-in-law Duke Romano III, who promptly created his uncle the Bishop of Pozzuoli and made him his Camerlengo and ambassador to the Curia. His appointment as Cardinal, promoted by Tusculani gold and power, did not linger to come.
For five years, Cardinal Tusculani sat in the College of Cardinals, witnessing the death of Pope Lucius II and the election of Innocent II. As always, however, the Tusculani were the true power behind the throne of St. Peter, and their vindication would not linger to come. At Innocent II's death of gout, the College of Cardinals convened in Papal Conclave to elect the new Bishop of Rome. There were little doubts of the result, and after only a short deliberation, the doors of the Lateran Palace were opened again.
Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum;
Habemus Papam:
Eminentissimum ac Reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum Romulus
Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalem Tusculanii
qui sibi nomen imposuit Ioannes.
Habemus Papam:
Eminentissimum ac Reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum Romulus
Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalem Tusculanii
qui sibi nomen imposuit Ioannes.
The Pornocracy was restored. With John XVIII reigning in Rome and his nephew and son-in-law Romano in Tusculum as his Chancellor and right-hand man, days of glory and plenty were announced for the Holy Roman Church. The blood of Saint Gregory the Righteous would restore the Universal Church to its former dignity.
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I've never had as much fun with a Papal election as this one. It's the first time ever I've turned a previous player character of mine into the Pope, and yes, it was as awesome as it sounds. Shame he was already pretty old when he was elected... but there is more to this than meets the eye.
Kaze
Banned
I have been interested in CK2 for some time. But I have found an interesting start for someone if they wish to do it - and if you do so, please link it to me with YouTube.
Start Date:
1190, Florence, Italy
Character name:
Gianfaldo Buonaparte. (IRL - the ancestor the Buonaparte family)
Challenge:
1. Become King of France (Must be genus)
2. Become Holy Roman Emperor (Must be a genius)
3. Make Glitterhoof pope.
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Now for the other start, if there is a mod for it. If there isn't, there should be:
The Warring States China.
Interesting start : State of Yue.
Options of -- Immortality, Sun Set Invasion (Romans / Greeks - invade China)
Start Date:
1190, Florence, Italy
Character name:
Gianfaldo Buonaparte. (IRL - the ancestor the Buonaparte family)
Challenge:
1. Become King of France (Must be genus)
2. Become Holy Roman Emperor (Must be a genius)
3. Make Glitterhoof pope.
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Now for the other start, if there is a mod for it. If there isn't, there should be:
The Warring States China.
Interesting start : State of Yue.
Options of -- Immortality, Sun Set Invasion (Romans / Greeks - invade China)
Speaking of sacking Mecca, the Qarmatians will be added as a Shia heresy with Iron Century.
How can I put one of my courtiers on the throne of a neighboring kingdom without having to beat the whole kingdom in a war? Would it help to contract alliances with the realm's dukes before pressing the guy's claim? Or is there any way to 1) engineer a revolt in favor of my pretender, and 2) support the revolt when it comes to war?
Yes, this is something you can do, or rather, this is something that can happen! Factions can form to support different claimants to the throne, and then it's just a matter of hoping that your preferred faction is the one to trigger the civil war; I've suddenly found myself crowned king of a neighboring realm after a Gavelkind inheritance in this manner, but IIRC (and it has been a while) intervening on behalf of said faction isn't always easy (although I think you can simply offer to join their war?).
If they're friends and allies beforehand, even more so!
EDIT: But yes, if you declare war to press the claim, the faction won't fire and you'll have to fight all the dukes.
Polyandry, just for the fun of it. I mean, the game gives you the possibility to reform your religion to follow Enatic Clans and it's already possible for tribal females characters to have multiple consorts if their religion allow it. Why not go to the next step and had the option for polyandry, just like there is a Polygamy doctrine? Of course, to be able to pick it, you'd have to follow a religion that is "feminist" or pick Enatic Clans.I wonder what other ideas for Pagan Reformation Doctrines that you might have. Since that mechanic is one that I quite like and would like to see expanded.
Maybe a doctrine centered around Investiture so that you can include the possibility for rulers to have a say in who is nominated as this religion's equivalent to Bishops. Possibly with the possibility to have "Antipopes". Could also allow for the inclusion of a "Papal sucession" for the Hierophant of the religion. That being said, that would probably need to lock the religion on Hierocratic leadership as it's the only way that would make sense: after all, that implies allowing conflicts between Temporal and Spiritual authorities. It would also be more there for the RP.
Part of me would also want to have Dogmatic and Proselytizing religions to get the option to excommunicate without having a Hierocratic leadership, but thinking back to it that might be a bit OP, especially if you pick a temporal leadership.
A doctrine that would basically be the opposite of Divine Marriage and ban any form of cosanguinous marriage could be fun.
I'm not sure if there is anything that imlements Divorce in the current Reformation system. If so, such a doctrine could be added.
Also, Sardinian and proto-Slovak cultures; even though I feel like the game's Italian and German cultures should be turned into their own cultural groups, with Bavarians, Saxons, etc. on one side and Lombards, Sardinians, etc. on the other.
I want to Play as the Normans with the Iron Century; either them, or lead my ancient Norwegian ancestors to glory? I may even Play up until the Sunset Invasion for the first Time if just to do Battle against Aztecs.
Yes, but when will the Update be? I want to start work on an Alternate History Timeline soon using both CK II and the new Roman Game that Paradox just released as my Inspirations.
Kaze
Banned
One of the things I would love is the idea that my 10 year old genius heir is under a regency, the regency is losing everything I gained with my previous guy (including my perfect eugenics program where I bred a strong, attractive, genius with claims on the HRE title and the Byzantine title as well)...but somehow my genus heir cannot join the plot to kill the regent?
There are examples in real history where the genius heir does kill regents, but somehow I can't? At least let my genius heir join the faction to kill him and give it a negative 4 for succeeding.
There are examples in real history where the genius heir does kill regents, but somehow I can't? At least let my genius heir join the faction to kill him and give it a negative 4 for succeeding.
That's why I feel there should be a second, teenage level of childhood in the game where you get more ability to effect stuff while not having the full reins of power.