What if Lenin don’t die at 53 like in real live but die at 93( in 1964), how did this fact affects the Russian and the world political history?
WI: Lenin live more four decades
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Lenin hated bureaucratic governmental ideas coming from the emerging USSR so that would an interesting change to the government.
Lenin agreed with Stalin on the violence needed to root out the Tsarist ideas but he also believed in private owned small businesses which would have made the transition to socialism easier (economically)
Sounds like he wanted to allow international investment in the USSR infrastructure which was a way to also introduce back to the capitalist nations of Europe the socialist ideas...much different than the closed minded 1920s-30s of the USSR.
Lenin agreed with Stalin on the violence needed to root out the Tsarist ideas but he also believed in private owned small businesses which would have made the transition to socialism easier (economically)
Sounds like he wanted to allow international investment in the USSR infrastructure which was a way to also introduce back to the capitalist nations of Europe the socialist ideas...much different than the closed minded 1920s-30s of the USSR.
During the revolution he barely slept. I read somewhere that he’d get like an hour of sleep per day and it contributed to his many strokes.
I doubt that Lenin would had lived at age of 93 even if him had perfect health and better life habits. Leader of Soviet Union was stressing job and more stress is coming if WW2 still occurs and Germans still launch Operation Barbarossa.
Ten years more would be much more plausible and it is still bit stretched.
Ten years more would be much more plausible and it is still bit stretched.
Lenin… Lenin did not play well with others. As the NEP guts the political and industrial rule of the devastated urban proletariat the factions will come out to play. And the scissors crisis will either precipitate urban or rural discontent and if unalleyed uprising. Bukharin will still be the flop of his ultrarightism after his flip of ultraleftism but the darling is wrong unless you want to shoot urban workers on their streets and in their factories. Trotsky (not Stalin) will be running the pseudoultraleft line of attacking the rural workers and peasants to resolve urban hunger.
Lenin might not play well with others but he could work with factions. Given that the Ural Siberian method was popular before party and given the destruction of the rural trading networks before an effective bureaucratic trade network existed there will be a nasty rural famine where the food exists to solve it and the systems to distribute it are utterly ineffective.
There will be central plans and a bourgeois constitution. There will be a party purge but rather than mass political arrests of workers and peasants there are slightly smaller mass *criminal* arrests of workers and peasants. Fewer 25s and more public trials. The security apparatus will not be allowed a private economy that was a net loss. There will be no general 1937 in the camps, but there will be widespread “natural” bastardry of the prisons and many incompetent warders.
No genera party purge (selective instead) means correspondingly with the armed forces.
Lenin might not play well with others but he could work with factions. Given that the Ural Siberian method was popular before party and given the destruction of the rural trading networks before an effective bureaucratic trade network existed there will be a nasty rural famine where the food exists to solve it and the systems to distribute it are utterly ineffective.
There will be central plans and a bourgeois constitution. There will be a party purge but rather than mass political arrests of workers and peasants there are slightly smaller mass *criminal* arrests of workers and peasants. Fewer 25s and more public trials. The security apparatus will not be allowed a private economy that was a net loss. There will be no general 1937 in the camps, but there will be widespread “natural” bastardry of the prisons and many incompetent warders.
No genera party purge (selective instead) means correspondingly with the armed forces.
He created a highly bureaucratic state, to start with, so I would not push an issue of his alleged hate too far. He did not need Stalin to persuade him that violence is needed: the Red Terror started when Stalin was a relatively minor figure. His NEP was a temporary measure caused by a pure necessity: it became quite clear that the state he created can not deal with the economic issues so the small businesses had been allowed to function under a tight state control. There is no reason to think that situation would remain forever (actually, it does not look like Lenin was a good long term planner: he was great in dealing with the immediate problems and could not even foresee that the system he was creating is going to “eat” him and his cronies). International investment not the SU was just a clever scam described by Bajanov in some details (invented, IIRC, by Litvinov): eventually, the foreign investors had been maneuvered into a situation when they could not fulfill the contractual obligations with a resulting loss of the investments (leaving functioning equipment and enterprises to the commies).
Of course, it is an open question how the system would develop with him being in charge but probably the general direction would be the same: Party as a supreme authority and increasily bureaucratic governmental apparatus. Lenin was hardly a figure willing to get rid of a Party or capable of stopping the processes he started.