What if the very extensive pre-Colombian colonization of the New World that happens in Doug Hoff's Empty America happens, except not in an ASB prehistoric New World, but in a regular Amerindian-populated New World?
How much biggerII would think that the Europeans would not be able to get such a big foothold, nor would they want to , and it would have a bigger benefit for the native americans.
None, and Syphillis might also be a European disease, due to some skeletons found in England from the 1200s. as Tom Veil was saying with a two germ street the contact might be much worse for all of humanity. Depending on how many Native disaeses apear were talking 1/4-1/2 of all people diening possibly more! IT crazy how much death couldcome of this.What diseases went from New World to Old World in OTL besides syphillis?
If the Native Americans have cities and livestock, then they will have been exposing themselves to their own "native" diseases. The germ war will be a two-way street. While Eurasians would probably have more developed diseases and hardier immune systems, remember, the Natives don't have to win the disease wars one-for-one. All they need is to have their diseases kill off enough Eurasians to make it too dangerous for them to keep sending explorers.
Were assuming that (like in Empty America) contact between the new world and Europe may be very difficult, allowing time fo these diseases to apear.But.... they didn't. He's talking about having OTL up to the point where colonization starts.
It was on Soc.Hist.What.If Was there a thread on empty america on AH.com?Say, where DID the Empty America thread vanish to?
...until the diseases got going... if the pre-Columbians bring over smallpox or any of the Old World plagues with them, the NAs are going to die off in massive numbers again. Of course, these pre-Columbians will only have bows and hand weapons, not guns, so they don't have all that much advantage over the NAs...
If the Native Americans have cities and livestock, then they will have been exposing themselves to their own "native" diseases. The germ war will be a two-way street. While Eurasians would probably have more developed diseases and hardier immune systems, remember, the Natives don't have to win the disease wars one-for-one. All they need is to have their diseases kill off enough Eurasians to make it too dangerous for them to keep sending explorers.