List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Short answer: I tried my best at a dystopia list. For some odd reason I can never make everything as cripplingly bleak as I know is possible. It always has to end well or at least be redeemable. In this one the uber-left Alternative prompts the Alt-Right to take over the Republicans once and for all, then a civil war breaks out when misinformation reaches its peak. The Leftist Faction, recognised as true by the international community, fights the right faction, comprised of white supremacist and anti-federal separatist movements. After a load of explosions and gun battles, and both sides verging into different garden varieties of totalitarianism, the New Reconstruction Amendments are ratified, effectively reassembling the United States.

Now that I re-read it back, it's essentially a homeopathic version of a load of more well-written lists in a similar vein.
It still was a really good list
Also thanks for the background
 
I fail to see how America can be respected on the world stage with someone like Norman Osborn being President.

Though, bravo! Someday I might revisit my scenarios and make a better iteration out of them.

Well, at the beginning Osborn was pretty much respected since he guided successfully the Thunderbolts Program giving the USA a more bully attitude instead of having a passive attitude to devastating events, the fault is more on the Republican Party who decided to wholeheartedly embrace his policies just to own the Democratic, but as the story unfolded this will result in a monstrous backslash for the Republican Party who won't return to power for many decades.

Currently i'm brainstorming more PMs lists to complete this universe, so i'll give you some hints:
- Princedom of Madripoor with Prince Daken I and current Prime Minister Jessán Hoan. Former Prime Ministers include Ophelia Sarkissian and Logan Howlett.
- Kingdom of Latveria with King Victor I and current Prime Minister Lucia Von Bardas.
- Kingdom of Genosha with King Magnus I and current Prime Minister Scott Summers. Former Prime Ministers include Sebastian Shaw, Henry McCoy, Emma Frost, and Kitty Pryde.
- Kingdom of Wakanda with King T'Challa and current Prime Minister White Wolf Hunter.
- Russian Federation with current President Vanguard, former Presidents could be Alexander Lukin, General Karpov, and Crimson Dynamo.
- United English Commonwealth with Empress Elizabeth II and current Prime Minister Brian Braddock.

Anyway thank you very much, i'm pretty much new to Marvel Comics and also making Presidents lists, so i was a bit worried of doing mistakes.

By the way, to which scenarios are you referring? I would be curious to see them.
 
By the way, to which scenarios are you referring? I would be curious to see them.

I had similar premises, but with more OTL events happening up to the point where Secret Empire happened. Afterwards, imagination started to run wild. The very first scenario, for example, had Sarah Palin end up being President by 2008 (via the Republican Party) and purging HYDRA at the scale of the Holocaust, to the point where she was trialled (and got acquitted) at the Hague, then running as a third-party candidate (being kicked out of the party due to the trial) and succeeding at reelection.
 
Presidents of the United States of America
41. 1989-1993: George H.W. Bush / J. Danforth "Dan" Quayle (Republican)
42. 1993-2001: William J. "Bill" Clinton / Albert "Al" Gore, Jr. (Democratic)
43. 2001-2001: Albert "Al" Gore, Jr. / Joseph "Joe" Lieberman (Democratic)
2000: George W. Bush / Richard "Dick" Cheney (Republican)
44. 2001-2009: Joseph "Joe" Lieberman / vacant (2001-01) / John McCain (Democratic/Democratic-Republican National Union)
2004 [1]: James "Jimmy" Duncan / Walter B. Jones, Sr. ("Peace" Republican), Ralph Nader / Peter Camejo (Green), Donald J. Trump / Jesse Ventura (Reform) [2]
45. 2009-2017: Norman "Norm" Coleman / Colin Powell (Republican)
2008: John Kerry / Evan Bayh (Democratic), Donald J. Trump / Jesse Ventura (Reform), Ralph Nader / Cynthia McKinney (Green)
2012: Robert "Bob" Graham / Cory Booker (Democratic), Cynthia McKinney / Ajamu Baraka (Green), Donald J. Trump / Richard Lamm (Reform)

46. 2017-2000: Susana Martinez / Robert "Rob" Portman (Republican)
2016 [3]: Barack H. Obama / Andrew Cuomo (Democratic), Donald J. Trump / Charles Elson "Buddy" Roemer (Reform), Cynthia McKinney / Ajamu Baraka (Green)

[1] The majority of the Republican Party stayed behind of the Democratic-Republican National Union ticket of Lieberman/McCain, though a significant number of anti-Iraq War Republicans defected to make a Peace Republican ticket.
[2] Trump took the fracturing Reform Party, joined forces with former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura, and crafted a big-tent socially moderate and fiscally conservative party that would attract disaffected voters from both the Democrats and the Republicans.
[3] Citing his age and health, Vice President Powell declined to run for the presidency, opening the doors for a free-for-all in the 2016 Republican primaries. New Mexico governor Susana Martinez won the nomination, with both President Coleman and Vice President Powell's endorsements.
 
POD: The Union loses the Battle of Antietam in 18562, leading to the fall of Harrisburg and Baltimore, which forces Lincoln to sign a peace treaty at Gettysburg with the CSA.
The main terms of it are the following ones:
- Texas, Virginia, North & South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas and New Mexico forms the CSA
- Maryland, Kansas and Oklahoma stays in the Union, with the guarantee that slavery would be still allowed here, although in a very regulated form.

USA
1860 -1864 Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1864 - 1872 Horatio Seymour (Democratic) 1864:Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 1868: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1872 - 1880 Samuel Tilden (Democratic) 1872: Horace Greeley (Republican) 1876: Chester Arthur (Republican)
1880 - 1884 John Blaine (Republican) 1880: Thomas Hendricks (Democratic)
1884 - 1892 Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1884: John Blaine (Republican) 1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1892 - 1900 William Jennings Bryan (Democratic) 1892: Benjamin Harrison (Republican) 1898: William McKinley (Republican)
1900 - 1902 Thomas Reed (Democratic) 1900: William McKinley(Republican). Died in office.
1902 - 1904 Charles Fairbanks (Democratic)
1904 - 1912 George Custer (Democratic) 1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Democratic) 1908: Theodore Roosevelt (Democratic)
1912 - 1919 Theodore Roosevelt (Democratic) 1912: Eugene Debs (Socialist) 1916: Eugene Debs (Socialist). Died in office.
1919 - 1920 Charles Evans Hughes (Democratic)
1920 - 1928 Seymour Stedman (Socialist) 1920: William Taft (Democratic) 1924: Charles Curtis (Democratic)
1928 - 1932 Norman Thomas (Socialist) 1928: Al Smith (Democratic)
1932 Calvin Coolidge (Democratic) 1932: Norman Thomas (Socialist) Died before the inauguration.
1932 - 1936 Herbert Hoover (Democratic)
1936 - 1942 Philip LaFollette (Socialist) 1936: Herbert Hoover (Democratic) 1940: Alf Landon (Democratic). Killed in office.
1942 - 1948 Upton Sinclair (Socialist) 1944: Wendell Wilkie (Democratic)
1948 - 1956 Thomas Dewey (Democratic) 1948: Henry Wallace (Socialist) 1952: Henry Wallace (Socialist)
1956 -1964 Omar Bradley (Democratic) 1956: Adlai Stevenson (Socialist) 1960: Adlai Stevenson (Socialist)
1964 - 1968 Hubert Humphrey (Socialist) 1964: Richard Nixon (Democratic) 1968: Richard Nixon (Democratic). Killed in office.
1968 George McGovern (Socialist)
1968 - 1974 Bobby Kennedy (Democratic) 1968: George McGovern (Socialist) 1972: Ed Muskie (Socialist). Resigned after the Sexygate scandal.
1974 - 1976 Richard Nixon (Democratic)
1976 - 1980 Frank Church (Socialist) 1976: Richard Nixon (Democratic)
1980 - 1988 Ronald Reagan (Democratic) 1980: Frank Church (Socialist) 1984: Gary Hart (Socialist)
1988 - 1992 George H.W. Bush (Democratic) 1988: Joe Biden (Socialist)
1992 - 2000 Jerry Brown (Socialist) 1992: George H.W. Bush (Democratic) 1996: Bob Dole (Democratic)
2000 - 2004 George W. Bush (Democratic) 2000: Pat Schroeder (Socialist)
2004 - 2012 Howard Dean (Socialist) 2004: George W. Bush (Democratic) 2008: Rudy Giuliani (Democratic)
2012 - 2016 Rick Santorum (Democratic) 2012: Barack Obama (Socialist)
2016 - 2020 Barbara Boxer (Socialist) 2016: Gary Johnson (Democratic)

1862 -1866 Jefferson Davis (Whig)
1866 - 1870 Robert Lee (Whig)
1870 - 1878 Alexander Stephens (Tory)
1878 - 1886 Stonewall Jackson (Whig)
1886 - 1894 James Longstreet (Whig)
1894 - 1898 Joseph Blackburn (Whig)
1898 - 1906 Nathan Bedford Forrest (Tory)
1906 - 1914 Simon Buckner (Tory)
1914 - 1918 Woodrow Wilson (Whig)
1918 - 1924 Henry W. Anderson (Tory)
1924 - 1930 John Nance Garner (Tory)
1930 - 1934 John Pershing (Tory)
1934 Joseph Taylor Robinson (Whig)
1934 - 1945 Huey Long (Nationalist)
1946 - 1954 Claude Pepper (Whig)
1954 - 1962 Estes Kevaufer (Whig)
1962 - 1963 Lyndon Johnson (Whig)
1963 - 1966 George Wallace (Whig)
1966 -1974 Strom Thurmond (Tory)
1974 - 1982 Jimmy Carter (Whig)
1982 - 1990 Howard Baker (Tory)
1990 - 1994 Ross Perot (Tory)
1994 - 2002 Bill Clinton (Whig)
2002 - 2010 Al Gore (Whig)
2010 - 2018 Fred Thompson (Tory)
 
Thucydides Redeemed



It's kinda easy to have the Winter War end up as a more comprehensive Soviet victory as despite the heroism and tenacity of the Finns almost all of the reasons for the Soviet humiliation can be pinned on the errors of Stalin and the Red Army. ITTL the dreadful Soviet plan of invading across a broad front with only two weeks ammunition is put in the bin as it should have been IOTL, instead this world has a Soviet armoured spearhead with a singular line of advance down the Baltic Coast and plentiful ammunition and fuel hitting the Mannerheim Line as a speed bump. Despite the Finns best efforts there's not much you can do when your army only has four weeks ammunition and your enemy is fighting the sort of war it's prepared for. Swedish aid is inadequate and Anglo-French reassurances turn out to be diplomatic niceties and nothing more.

The Red Army breaks through the Mannerheim Line on Christmas Day and by New Year the Finnish bourgeois state has largely unravelled; the country is on the move and the remnants of the Finnish army have largely ceased resistance in favour of returning to their families or assisting refugees on the arduous trek west. With nothing left to hold off the Red Army and the President showing up in Stockholm it's left to Sissi Wein, the Finnish Vera Lynn, to defiantly sing Vapaussoturin Valloituslaulu over the Yle radio waves the same day the Red Army marches into Helsinki.

Finland emerges from the conflict, whether one calls it the Winter War, Second Finnish Civil War, or even The State Capitalists Imperialist Aggression Against The Finnish People, locked in the vice that is Moscow's loving embrace.


Prime Ministers of Finland

1937-1939: Aimo Cajander (National Progressive)
1939: Risto Ryti (National Progressive) [1]


Chairmen of the People's Government of the Finnish Democratic Republic

1939-1940: Otto Wille Kuusinen (Communist Party of Finland) [2]


Chairpersons of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic

1940-1953: Otto Wille Kuusinen (Communist Party of the Soviet Union)
1953-1967: August Wesley (Communist Party of the Soviet Union) [3]
1967-1974: Hertta Kuusinen (Communist Party of the Soviet Union) [4]
1974-1987: Noora Latavia (Communist Party of the Soviet Union, then Communist Party of Finland) [5]
1987-????: Kimmo Rentola (Communist Party of Finland)


[1] The respected economist and politician was called to lead his fatherland through the greatest crisis in its short history yet when it became clear the odds where genuinely insurmountable he fled with his cabinet to join the President in Stockholm, waiting for an Anglo-French declaration of war on the Soviet Union to save his country. It never comes and worse still the Swedish annexation of the Aland Islands with tacit Soviet agreement causes the government-in-exile to leave Stockholm in protest. The move to Paris and then to London takes its toll on Ryti as he becomes convinced of what only a few people actually believe, that he was a coward who fled his country in the time of need on a deluded quest for foreign help. Resigning as Prime Minister in 1940 he avoids the sidelining the Government-in-exile faces after Barbarossa and their following descent into irrelevance as the Cold War begins, remaining prominent in the Finnish exile community until his death in 1956.

[2] Already a controversial figure before the Soviet invasion, Kuusinen has the distinction of being the father of the FDR and its executioner. Reassured the Finnish people that the Red Army had arrived to help assert true Finnish independence from the White traitors then signed off on Finland's incorporation into the Soviet Union a few months later. Introduced aggressive land reform and housing campaigns that worked out quite well economically but led to devastating deforestation, sanctioned the harsh NKVD counter-insurgency campaign against the IKL during the Great Patriotic War but managed to convince Stalin to ease off on mass conscription of Finns in favour of a Finnish Solidarity Front. Made up of old civil war leaders with a mix hand picked fanatical Stalinists and genuine volunteers, they play a key role in throwing the Germans back from Leningrad in September 1941. Benefits from being responsible for the one area of the western Soviet Union that wasn't destroyed, facilitating reconstruction whilst also the K-FSSR's own economic development. Doesn't survive De-Stalinisation.

[3] The Civil War and Great Patriotic War veteran is reluctant to take on the responsibility of leading the K-FSSR, citing his age but realistically because he never supported Finland's annexation into the Soviet Union in the first place. Tries to do his best with what power he has, embracing Khruschev's establishment of individual economic plans for each SSR. Introduces some voluntarism and gift economics into the Finnish economy as a sign of recognition that the country still isn't the urban paradise of Kuusinen's dreams. Repeatedly applies to become ambassador to Havana until he is old enough to retire even by Soviet leadership standards.

[4] Not as controversial as her father and suddenly much better connected in the wake of Khruschev's fall from grace, Hertta Kuusinen moves out of Otto's shadow fairly quickly to drag the K-FSSR out of its sedentary cosiness and into the modern world, this involves Soviet nuclear technology finally being introduced and East German childcare to abolish the joint evils of the cold and the patriarchy. Her personal role in assiting Suslov's coup against Andropov gives Finns a certain amount of national pride back, their country is punching above its weight and its increasingly metropolitan. Some haggling allows Finland to keep its own economic plan even after the initiative is largely wrapped up for much of the rest of the USSR and the knock on effects begin to be shown as internal migration towards Finland brings new engineers and scientists whilst exiles from Sweden begin to return in not-unremarkable numbers. Finland has a genuinely popular Chairperson at long last, at least with the Finnish people, but Kuusinen's role in broader Soviet politics has made her ignore the rise of the "Baader-Maoism" that has already begun to affect much of the Eastern Bloc. This is politically fatal as the Soviet Union becomes the last domino to fall.

[5] A prodigy of Kuusinen's who eventually ended up stabbing her in the front at a meeting of the K-FSSR Supreme Soviet, this orphan of the Winter War was raised in the Stalinist worldview which, taken to heart, made much of the socialist world as it was rather incongruous. The success of the RAF in West Germany becomes infectious in the east and it isn't long after that young people in Finland are using the confines of the CPSU to debate "actual" Marxism-Leninism for a change.
 
Coups and Cards
Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990
Henry Collingridge 1990-1991
Francis Urquart 1991-2002
Tom Makepeace 2002-2005

Harry Perkins 2005-2007
 
Coups and Cards
Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990
Henry Collingridge 1990-1991
Francis Urquart 1991-2002
Tom Makepeace 2002-2005

Harry Perkins 2005-2007

Coups and Cards: American Style

1993 - 2001: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
def. 1992: George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle, 1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
2001 - 2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
def. 2000: John McCain/John Engler
2005 - 2013: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney
def. 2004: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman, 2008: Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh [1]
2013: Garrett Walker/Jim Matthews
def. 2012: Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
2013 - 2014: Garrett Walker/Frank Underwood
2014 - 2017: Frank Underwood/Donald Blythe
2017: Frank Underwood/Claire Hale Underwood

def. 2016: Will Conway/Ted Brockhart
2017 - 2018: Claire Hale/Mark Usher
2018 - 2021: Claire Hale/vacant

2021 - 2029: Will Conway/Nikki Haley

def. 2020: Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren[2], 2024: Brett Cole/Jackie Sharp

[1] Before anyone complains that due to the crash, 2008 would have been unwinnable for any governing party, I'm just lazy and say: thanks to butterflies, the crash happens a bit later, shortly after the election.
[2] Claire must be so unpopular by 2020 that anyone could defeat her in the primaries, in particular the left wing of the party. But I see that I'm making a contestable assumption presuming that democracy remains more or less intact in the HoC universe.

 
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Coups and Cards: American Style

1993 - 2001: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
def. 1992: George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle, 1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
2001 - 2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
def. 2000: John McCain/John Engler
2005 - 2013: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney
def. 2004: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman, 2008: Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh [1]
2013: Garrett Walker/Jim Matthews
def. 2012: Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
2013 - 2014: Garrett Walker/Frank Underwood
2014 - 2017: Frank Underwood/Donald Blythe

def. 2016: Will Conway/Ted Brockhart
2017: Frank Underwood/Claire Hale Underwood
2017 - 2021: Claire Hale/Mark Usher

2021 - 2029: Will Conway/Nikki Haley

def. 2020: Bernie Sanders/Jackie Sharp, 2024: Jackie Sharp/Cory Booker

[1] Before anyone complains that due to the crash, 2008 would have been unwinnable for any governing party, I'm just lazy and say: thanks to butterflies, the crash happens a bit later, shortly after the election.
Very Cool
 
Red Dawn

1963-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/1965-1969: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)
1969-1977: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/1969-1973: Spiro Agnew (R-MD), 1973-1977: Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George Bush (R-TX)
1985-1993: George Bush (R-TX)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
1993-2001: Bob Dole (R-KS)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
2001-2005*: George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney (R-WY)/John McCain (R-AZ)
 
The Dream Ticket

1993-2001: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN)

2001-2005: George W. Bush (R-TX)
2005-2009: John Kerry (D-MA)/John McCain (R-AZ)
2009-2013: Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Mike Huckabee (R-AR)

2013-2017: Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Barack Obama (D-IL)
2017-Present: Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN)
 
The Dream Ticket

1993-2001: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN)

2001-2005: George W. Bush (R-TX)
2005-2009: John Kerry (D-MA)/John McCain (R-AZ)
2009-2013: Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Mike Huckabee (R-AR)

2013-2017: Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Barack Obama (D-IL)
2017-Present: Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN)

Looks good, though I think after three one term Presidents and with the economy improving in 2016, Clinton would beat Trump.
 
Red Dawn

1963-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/1965-1969: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)
1969-1977: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/1969-1973: Spiro Agnew (R-MD), 1973-1977: Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George Bush (R-TX)
1985-1993: George Bush (R-TX)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
1993-2001: Bob Dole (R-KS)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
2001-2005*: George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney (R-WY)/John McCain (R-AZ)
Background?
 
Return of the King: RFK Lives

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969), D-TX
VP: Hubert H. Humphrey (1965-1969), D-MN
37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974), R-CA
VP: Spiro Agnew (1969-1973), R-MD
Gerald Ford (1973-1974), R-MI
38. Gerald Ford (1974-1977), R-MI
VP: Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977), R-NY
39. Robert F. Kennedy (1977-1981), D-NY
VP: Jimmy Carter (1981-1985), D-GA
40. Jimmy Carter (1981-1985), D-GA
VP: Walter Mondale (1981-1985), D-MN
41. John Heinz (1985-1993), R-PA
VP: Lamar Alexander (1985-1993), R-TN
42. Lamar Alexander (1993-1997), R-TN
VP: Thomas Kean (1993-1997), R-NJ
RFK never takes the detour through the hotel kitchen that separated him from his bodyguard, butterflying away his assassination. He narrowly loses to Humphrey at the Democratic Convention. While Humphrey wins the popular vote by a fraction of a percent thanks to Kennedy's support in the general, he loses the electoral vote to Nixon. Questions of illegitimacy fuel Nixon's paranoia throughout his first term. In 1972, Kennedy defeats Humphrey in a rematch but again the Presidency is taken from him as a combination of dirty tricks and foreign policy victories carry Nixon over the top on election day. Kennedy is dispirited and enters a long depression, feeling that he has failed the country. But a year later he gets a chance to regain his luster as he plays a leading role in the Senate Watergate investigations. Redeemed by his Congressional work, RFK takes the Democratic nomination a second time in 1976 and handily defeats President Ford.

Kennedy's first term as President is mostly successful, however the 1979 oil crash and a brief recession cause a dent in his popularity. After hostages are taken at the US Embassy in Iran, RFK vetoes a military option but diplomatic efforts fall short. The Republican ticket of Reagan and Bush exploit the faltering economy and the hostage crisis to create a tight race against the President. Yet Reagan's bump in the polls fades away once the economy improves during the fall campaign and, in a surprise twist, a secret arms deal triggers the release of the hostages in late October. Kennedy is re-elected in a landslide. The promise of his second term is cut short by an assassin's bullet on March 30, 1981.

The new President, Jimmy Carter, signs a gun reform bill to widespread approval. Carter uses his popularity to score major foreign policy victories, including a treaty with Panama and an agreement between Egypt and Israel. But as the economy enters a steep recession, the conservative Carter does little to mitigate the downturn and his constant fights with Congress create gridlock in Washington. The GOP comes back with a vengeance in the 1982 midterms. While the economy improves by 1984, Carter is disliked by both the left, right, and center as he is hurt by a primary challenge from Jesse Jackson and Pat Robertson's Evangelical third party candidacy. In a narrow race, moderate Republican Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania unseats President Carter.

After that, Heinz is re-elected and VP Lamar Alexander wins in 1992. Does anyone have any ideas for who might win in 1996?
 
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