*Slamming fists on desk* NO SEALS.
You may use emblems, but no seals on flags.
Flag Thread IV
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You may use emblems, but no seals on flags.
Yeah, the problem with seals is they tend to overcomplicate such that they're indistinguishable from each other.
Seals and sealions are frowned upon
A flag I saw in a dream that belonged to a governmental police/internal security force in a large city (never specified in dream but it was either New York City or Seattle.) The members of this group all wore olive green military uniforms.
The House Divided. Flags of the 2nd American Civil War. 3.
Arcadia. In a big town outside of Portland Oregon, during the chaos of the 2nd American Civil War, the townsfolk took refuge within the local high school. Overtime, as it became more and more clear that the US Government wouldn't protect them, and would soon fall, the town gradually became self reliant, even expanding out from the school, salvaging left over military equipment such as radios, food and even weaponry, they would take up hunting animals and even rummaging through the abandoned stores for left over supplies. Surprisingly, the local football coach Don Garcia would quickly manage to take charge of the situation, even organising scouts, scavengers, and eventually what could best be described as a military, coming at odds with armed groups such as the New Frontiersmen, Pacem/Bellum, and the Patriots of the United States of America. They would go on to become a key ally in the Reclamation War.
Imperio 13. In the chaos of the conflict, many pre existing gangs would see the war as an opportunity to gain more power, including a more ultra violent, militaristic offshoot of the infamous MS13, called Imperio 13, or as the name roughly translated to: The Thirteenth Empire. This gang would gain more power, even managing to raid army barracks to better control or defend their territory. They would come at odds with both other gangs, and the Texan Republic.
Vendetta. Not long after Arcadia emerged, a gang known as Vendetta formed within the chaos and anarchy stricken California. The states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado would devolve into what was dubbed by the international community as a "No Man's Land" whilst overs dubbed it "The Frontier".
Vendetta was a primarily left leaning gang, with a strong believe that the Civil War was the fault of almost every faucet of the public, and influential founding member saying saying that "We were all at fault, for looking at the raging inferno and saying everything was fine". They took out their revenge on the people they deemed responsible, such as conservative politicians, judges, evangelicals, right wing personalities and even news and radio pundits, sometimes even publicly executing them. Despite these horrific actions, they became a key force in the return of "Frontier Justice" as well as playing a role in the Reclamation War.
Arcadia. In a big town outside of Portland Oregon, during the chaos of the 2nd American Civil War, the townsfolk took refuge within the local high school. Overtime, as it became more and more clear that the US Government wouldn't protect them, and would soon fall, the town gradually became self reliant, even expanding out from the school, salvaging left over military equipment such as radios, food and even weaponry, they would take up hunting animals and even rummaging through the abandoned stores for left over supplies. Surprisingly, the local football coach Don Garcia would quickly manage to take charge of the situation, even organising scouts, scavengers, and eventually what could best be described as a military, coming at odds with armed groups such as the New Frontiersmen, Pacem/Bellum, and the Patriots of the United States of America. They would go on to become a key ally in the Reclamation War.
Imperio 13. In the chaos of the conflict, many pre existing gangs would see the war as an opportunity to gain more power, including a more ultra violent, militaristic offshoot of the infamous MS13, called Imperio 13, or as the name roughly translated to: The Thirteenth Empire. This gang would gain more power, even managing to raid army barracks to better control or defend their territory. They would come at odds with both other gangs, and the Texan Republic.
Vendetta. Not long after Arcadia emerged, a gang known as Vendetta formed within the chaos and anarchy stricken California. The states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado would devolve into what was dubbed by the international community as a "No Man's Land" whilst overs dubbed it "The Frontier".
Vendetta was a primarily left leaning gang, with a strong believe that the Civil War was the fault of almost every faucet of the public, and influential founding member saying saying that "We were all at fault, for looking at the raging inferno and saying everything was fine". They took out their revenge on the people they deemed responsible, such as conservative politicians, judges, evangelicals, right wing personalities and even news and radio pundits, sometimes even publicly executing them. Despite these horrific actions, they became a key force in the return of "Frontier Justice" as well as playing a role in the Reclamation War.
Serbia illegally invades Kosovo to reclaim the territory. This starts another conflict in the Balkans. A UN coalition pushes Serbia back and takes their capital. In order to limit Serbian military capabilities, they split the nation in half, into North and South Serbia. North Serbia keeps the current flag but South Serbia adopts a new flag:
Some new Venus flags from my space setting, Overheaven.
First up is the flag of the Venusian Council. Founded in 1986 as a sort of United Nations for the colonial polities of Venus, the VS (Venerianskiy Sovet) flag’s symbolism combines a modified version of the Interkosmos logo with the traditional symbol for Venus, and two hands shaking, on a white field. Because of the program's role in allowing non-Soviet countries to colonize Venus, the Interkosmos logo was widely viewed as a symbol of proletarian solidarity on Venus, and given that really only communist bloc countries were colonizing Venus in the 80’s, it made sense for it to be incorporated into the Council's symbolism when the flag was made. As a sort of “meta” note, the hand-shaking motif is meant to be a callback to the old Warsaw Pact logo. And the white field is meant to represent peace, neutrality and stability.
While the VS flag was used for a decades to represent its successor, the confederal Duma of Venus, it was eventually replaced by a yellow-blue-green tricolor with the VS symbol in the middle, to represent the "new age" on Venus and the Duma's commitment to terraforming the planet, until this flag was in turn replaced by a version bearing the "Comrade Solar" symbol.
Timeline of the flags of Venus.
Next is the flag of the Confederation of Veneran Republics. Also known as the KVR (from Конфедерация Венерианских Республик or “Konfederatsiya Venerianskikh Respublik”), “Soviet Venus” was founded in 1983, and was historically the largest polity on the Yellow Planet, prior to the planet’s formal unification in the 2050’s. The flag’s general design is meant to evoke the imagery of the original USSR flag, but with the hammer and sickle replaced with a white image of Venera-4 (the first manmade object to orbit Venus, and the first to land on its surface), surrounded by a yellow laurel wreath, which symbolizes peace, triumph and prosperity. The two dates, 1967 and 1978, commemorate Venera-4 and Niobe-1 (the first manned “landing” on Venus), respectively. The yellow and white stripes are meant to evoke the Venusian sky.
Post-unification, the KVR flag can occasionally be seen flying alongside other "red banners", as part of a general appreciation for communist imagery that one can find on (rather-capitalist) Venus in the 23rd century, especially in areas with large numbers of people of Veneri descent.
Next, we have the flag of the Czechoslovak Republic of Nový Úsvit, a colony formerly associated with the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, then associated with the reformed Federation of Czechoslovakia back on Earth, before the planet was unified in the 2050's. The symbolism of the flag of Nový Úsvit (Czech and Slovak for “New Dawn”) harkens back to the story of the original Czechoslovak flag. The first flag adopted by Czechoslovakia in 1918 was a simple red-white bicolor, identical to the flag of Poland. A blue triangle was added to differentiate it from the Polish flag in 1920, and for Nový Úsvit, the blue is replaced with yellow. Because Earth is the Blue Planet, Venus is the Yellow Planet; the blue star with the communist-era Czechoslovak lion symbolizes the Czechoslovak proletariat conquering the vicious Yellow Planet for all the people of the Blue Planet.
Pretty badass for a small landlocked country you can’t point to on a map, huh? Czechoslovakia doesn’t get nearly enough love in science-fiction. Post-terraforming, this flag remains in use by the Republic of Nový Úsvit, a city-state in the Izanami Desert, on the Venusian surface.
Next up is the Republic of Înflorire, a colony originally established by Nicolae Ceaușescu’s Romania. The flag of Înflorire borrows the colors of the Romanian flag, and features a variant of the communist-era Romanian coat of arms. Instead of forest, mountains and an oil derrick, the CoA of Înflorire depicts two airships and an aerostat colony above the sulfuric yellow clouds of Venus. The aerostat colony depicted on the seal is in fact Înflorire itself; when Venus was terraformed, the aerostat was forced to the ground, where it re-purposed itself as a floating city in Venus' newfangled oceans. However, the tropical polity of Înflorire (composed of former Romanian colonies, spread across the Themiscyra
Archipelago) still uses the flag of their forefathers, even if the CoA no longer reflects the conditions on Venus in the late 23rd century.
And finally, a more contemporary flag. This is the latest flag I've made, and is for the Cupid Array. Built in the 2130's as part of the terraforming process of Venus, the Cupid Array is a colossal space-mirror which blots about half of the sunlight Venus would normally receive, and is several thousand miles wide by only a few feet thick. The central symbol speaks for itself, I imagine, and the "crescent sun" symbol is a callback to the "Comrade Solar" symbol on the official flag of Venus. The four black rings symbolize the four torus-type habitats located near Cupid - Aejeong, Eloseu, Pillia and Taeeonam. As you might have been able to tell from those names, Cupid's population is primarily of Korean descent, and white is an important color in Korean culture, and reflects well the generally pacifistic nature of the "Kyupidin" people.
First up is the flag of the Venusian Council. Founded in 1986 as a sort of United Nations for the colonial polities of Venus, the VS (Venerianskiy Sovet) flag’s symbolism combines a modified version of the Interkosmos logo with the traditional symbol for Venus, and two hands shaking, on a white field. Because of the program's role in allowing non-Soviet countries to colonize Venus, the Interkosmos logo was widely viewed as a symbol of proletarian solidarity on Venus, and given that really only communist bloc countries were colonizing Venus in the 80’s, it made sense for it to be incorporated into the Council's symbolism when the flag was made. As a sort of “meta” note, the hand-shaking motif is meant to be a callback to the old Warsaw Pact logo. And the white field is meant to represent peace, neutrality and stability.
While the VS flag was used for a decades to represent its successor, the confederal Duma of Venus, it was eventually replaced by a yellow-blue-green tricolor with the VS symbol in the middle, to represent the "new age" on Venus and the Duma's commitment to terraforming the planet, until this flag was in turn replaced by a version bearing the "Comrade Solar" symbol.
Timeline of the flags of Venus.
Next is the flag of the Confederation of Veneran Republics. Also known as the KVR (from Конфедерация Венерианских Республик or “Konfederatsiya Venerianskikh Respublik”), “Soviet Venus” was founded in 1983, and was historically the largest polity on the Yellow Planet, prior to the planet’s formal unification in the 2050’s. The flag’s general design is meant to evoke the imagery of the original USSR flag, but with the hammer and sickle replaced with a white image of Venera-4 (the first manmade object to orbit Venus, and the first to land on its surface), surrounded by a yellow laurel wreath, which symbolizes peace, triumph and prosperity. The two dates, 1967 and 1978, commemorate Venera-4 and Niobe-1 (the first manned “landing” on Venus), respectively. The yellow and white stripes are meant to evoke the Venusian sky.
Post-unification, the KVR flag can occasionally be seen flying alongside other "red banners", as part of a general appreciation for communist imagery that one can find on (rather-capitalist) Venus in the 23rd century, especially in areas with large numbers of people of Veneri descent.
Next, we have the flag of the Czechoslovak Republic of Nový Úsvit, a colony formerly associated with the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, then associated with the reformed Federation of Czechoslovakia back on Earth, before the planet was unified in the 2050's. The symbolism of the flag of Nový Úsvit (Czech and Slovak for “New Dawn”) harkens back to the story of the original Czechoslovak flag. The first flag adopted by Czechoslovakia in 1918 was a simple red-white bicolor, identical to the flag of Poland. A blue triangle was added to differentiate it from the Polish flag in 1920, and for Nový Úsvit, the blue is replaced with yellow. Because Earth is the Blue Planet, Venus is the Yellow Planet; the blue star with the communist-era Czechoslovak lion symbolizes the Czechoslovak proletariat conquering the vicious Yellow Planet for all the people of the Blue Planet.
Pretty badass for a small landlocked country you can’t point to on a map, huh? Czechoslovakia doesn’t get nearly enough love in science-fiction. Post-terraforming, this flag remains in use by the Republic of Nový Úsvit, a city-state in the Izanami Desert, on the Venusian surface.
Next up is the Republic of Înflorire, a colony originally established by Nicolae Ceaușescu’s Romania. The flag of Înflorire borrows the colors of the Romanian flag, and features a variant of the communist-era Romanian coat of arms. Instead of forest, mountains and an oil derrick, the CoA of Înflorire depicts two airships and an aerostat colony above the sulfuric yellow clouds of Venus. The aerostat colony depicted on the seal is in fact Înflorire itself; when Venus was terraformed, the aerostat was forced to the ground, where it re-purposed itself as a floating city in Venus' newfangled oceans. However, the tropical polity of Înflorire (composed of former Romanian colonies, spread across the Themiscyra
Archipelago) still uses the flag of their forefathers, even if the CoA no longer reflects the conditions on Venus in the late 23rd century.
And finally, a more contemporary flag. This is the latest flag I've made, and is for the Cupid Array. Built in the 2130's as part of the terraforming process of Venus, the Cupid Array is a colossal space-mirror which blots about half of the sunlight Venus would normally receive, and is several thousand miles wide by only a few feet thick. The central symbol speaks for itself, I imagine, and the "crescent sun" symbol is a callback to the "Comrade Solar" symbol on the official flag of Venus. The four black rings symbolize the four torus-type habitats located near Cupid - Aejeong, Eloseu, Pillia and Taeeonam. As you might have been able to tell from those names, Cupid's population is primarily of Korean descent, and white is an important color in Korean culture, and reflects well the generally pacifistic nature of the "Kyupidin" people.
Yet more "retro" commie-bloc Venus flags, plus smatterings of backstory.
Matamba
Angolan colony originally in free association with the People's Republic of Angola. The yellow sun symbol is taken from prehistoric cave paintings discovered in Tchitundo-Hulu cave, and when combined with the black industrial gear of the African proletariat, represents Matamba's connection to its heritage even as it embraces a technological future on Venus. Matamba was comprised of a single aerostat, and became independent in 2002 after a long-standing disagreement with the Angolan government back on Earth.
Borostyan
Hungarian colony based mostly on Neith (Venus' counterfactual moon), while also administering an aerostat in the Venusian sky, and having joint-sovereignty over a rotating wheel-habitat in orbit above the Yellow Planet, alongside the Cuban colony of Santamaria. The symbol surrounded by the wreathe is the Interkosmos logo with the country's name, which means "amber" in Hungarian.
Vanijeri
Probably even less-expected than the Angolan colony, even Ethiopia was able to get the Soviets to help them build a colony on Venus. Vanijeri ("vanguard" in Amharic) was stocked almost entirely with Ethiopia's best scientists and engineers...as well as a lot of Derg flunkies. The transition to the PDRE did involve a few gunshots, but thankfully nobody was killed. In 2285, Vanijeri is a city-state on the Venusian surface, having touched-down in the temperate highlands of Venus' southernmost continent, Lada.
New Sheba
Another Neithian colony, New Sheba was essentially the result of the People's Democratic Republic of (South) Yemen loaning some land on Socotra island to the USSR, where a spaceport was built.
Santamaria
The flag of the Republic of Santamaria combines the a gear for the industrial proletariat, with the delta/chevron of the aerospace engineer. The flag has much more overt socialist symbolism when compared to that of the terrestrial flag of Cuba, which reflects the colony itself to an extent; like most colonial projects on Venus, the people who got to live on the Santamaria-1 aerostat were often PCC loyalists. Like with the Derg fanboys on Vanijeri, there was a tustle on Santamaria-1 in the 90's when news of Castro stepping down reached Venus. Unlike Vanijeri, the gunshots killed a few people; a bunch of the PCC hardliners believed it was all the CIA plot, and tried to take control of the colony. The KVR ended up intervening, and neutralized the situation. While Cuba opened up to more market reforms back on Earth and the same reforms were instituted by the new moderate Santamarian government, the remaining communists on Santamaria would occasionally talk about revolution...then they'd hear the newest Seinfeld episode finally arrived from Earth, and that would hold them over for a few weeks.
Shar-Tsetseg
Meaning "Yellow Blossom" in Mongolian, the Republic of Shar-Tsetseg was originally established on Neith with help from the USSR in the 1980's, as part of Interkosmos, and was in free association with the People's Republic of Mongolia (and later the Republic of Mongolia) until the Tsetsegis declared their independence in the 2030's, in response to controversial elections on Earth which most Mongols on Neith believed signaled Mongolia's transformation into a de facto province of China.
Neudresden
Yes, East Germans in space. If you saw my first round of flags for Venus earlier in the thread, this is an update. Probably not the most original flag design for an East German Venusian colonial empire...but then again, would East Germans have picked something more adventurous?
Matamba
Angolan colony originally in free association with the People's Republic of Angola. The yellow sun symbol is taken from prehistoric cave paintings discovered in Tchitundo-Hulu cave, and when combined with the black industrial gear of the African proletariat, represents Matamba's connection to its heritage even as it embraces a technological future on Venus. Matamba was comprised of a single aerostat, and became independent in 2002 after a long-standing disagreement with the Angolan government back on Earth.
Borostyan
Hungarian colony based mostly on Neith (Venus' counterfactual moon), while also administering an aerostat in the Venusian sky, and having joint-sovereignty over a rotating wheel-habitat in orbit above the Yellow Planet, alongside the Cuban colony of Santamaria. The symbol surrounded by the wreathe is the Interkosmos logo with the country's name, which means "amber" in Hungarian.
Vanijeri
Probably even less-expected than the Angolan colony, even Ethiopia was able to get the Soviets to help them build a colony on Venus. Vanijeri ("vanguard" in Amharic) was stocked almost entirely with Ethiopia's best scientists and engineers...as well as a lot of Derg flunkies. The transition to the PDRE did involve a few gunshots, but thankfully nobody was killed. In 2285, Vanijeri is a city-state on the Venusian surface, having touched-down in the temperate highlands of Venus' southernmost continent, Lada.
New Sheba
Another Neithian colony, New Sheba was essentially the result of the People's Democratic Republic of (South) Yemen loaning some land on Socotra island to the USSR, where a spaceport was built.
Santamaria
The flag of the Republic of Santamaria combines the a gear for the industrial proletariat, with the delta/chevron of the aerospace engineer. The flag has much more overt socialist symbolism when compared to that of the terrestrial flag of Cuba, which reflects the colony itself to an extent; like most colonial projects on Venus, the people who got to live on the Santamaria-1 aerostat were often PCC loyalists. Like with the Derg fanboys on Vanijeri, there was a tustle on Santamaria-1 in the 90's when news of Castro stepping down reached Venus. Unlike Vanijeri, the gunshots killed a few people; a bunch of the PCC hardliners believed it was all the CIA plot, and tried to take control of the colony. The KVR ended up intervening, and neutralized the situation. While Cuba opened up to more market reforms back on Earth and the same reforms were instituted by the new moderate Santamarian government, the remaining communists on Santamaria would occasionally talk about revolution...then they'd hear the newest Seinfeld episode finally arrived from Earth, and that would hold them over for a few weeks.
Shar-Tsetseg
Meaning "Yellow Blossom" in Mongolian, the Republic of Shar-Tsetseg was originally established on Neith with help from the USSR in the 1980's, as part of Interkosmos, and was in free association with the People's Republic of Mongolia (and later the Republic of Mongolia) until the Tsetsegis declared their independence in the 2030's, in response to controversial elections on Earth which most Mongols on Neith believed signaled Mongolia's transformation into a de facto province of China.
Neudresden
Yes, East Germans in space. If you saw my first round of flags for Venus earlier in the thread, this is an update. Probably not the most original flag design for an East German Venusian colonial empire...but then again, would East Germans have picked something more adventurous?
A pretty simple flag based on the original Sudanese flag. Basically ITTL northern Sudan becomes/stays part of Egypt (depending on who you ask), and the Christian and Animist South becomes its own republic, adopting the colors used by some Sudanese nationalists, with some alterations, naming itself Equatoria.
Well, as a bi fella.
This is upsetting. I figured we’d be more willing to settle down and take a democratic jab about the whole equality thing, ya know, with policy change, not revolution. It’s working so far, why change what isn’t broke?
Honestly, if you're worried about it being concidered hate speech, maybe it's a better idea to not post it then.
Like, I dunno, maybe if I was given more context and a larger scenario maybe it wouldn't come off as weird, but it just kinda makes me really uncomfy.
Also the Antifa comment is a can of worms I'm not touching
Maybe I'm just being a bitch about it, I dunno.
I'm not saying that, but maybe just expand the original post a bit, more context. I didn't really know how to take it the first time I saw it
Ya know, this being your first post on the site after just registering tells me that this may just be someone trying to bait me.
I'm not having this debate, go to chat if you wanna die on that hill.
Huh? Are you not familiar with the astrological symbol for Venus? That’s the symbol on the VS flag, not Heaven’s Gate. I’m afraid I’m not sure where you’re coming from here.
Edit: OOF, didn’t see the other posts. Egg on my face.
Not really?
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Flag of the Roman Empire, adopted in 1879. The gold-purple-black tricolor dates to 1713, when Emperor Michael XI sought to reunify the country and resurrect its Roman identity after the restoration of the House of Palaiologos following the French occupation. Gold is said to represent the virtues of the Romans, purple the imperial power, and black victory over invaders. In the 19th century, a red canton was added within which was placed the Palaiologos eagle.
also I think purple needs more love, even though it's not one of the six "official" colors of Anglo-German heraldry.
also I think purple needs more love, even though it's not one of the six "official" colors of Anglo-German heraldry.
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