Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

WheelyWheelyLegsNoFeely

AUGGP said:
Inspired by all these posts








Here is a map of the ethnic subdivisions of the Patagonia Union (names are not final obviously)

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10/10. I wonder if this Patagonia could be plausible given the right events occurring historically.

Maybe we should start one of those collaborative worldbuilding threads like “Hail, Britannia” or “Our Fair Country” for this alternate, culturally diverse Patagonia (presumably, of course, under the enlightened rule of the Royal House de Tounens).
 

Mr. Bubbles

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Atlantropa and what would be the territorial claims, colorized.
 
Christory

Christory

Mr. Bubbles said:
Man, look at all those nukes targets
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Anyone planning to make a Worlda adaptation?

Speaking of nuclear war plans that could use Worlda/QBAM adaptations, i'm surprised no-one has mentioned the United States' declassified nuclear target plan from 1956 yet.

https://futureoflife.org/background/us-nuclear-targets/?cn-reloaded=1

I'm a little surprised they wanted to spare Mongolia and North Vietnam tbh.

There's also this gem, a nuclear target plan from a 2001 report from the National Resources Defence Council. You know it's an American plan when a "precision" attack would kill 8-12 million.
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Mr. Bubbles

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Here we have a personal favorite. One of Kaiser Wilhelm II's plans for invading the United States.

This particular plan, Operation Plan II, called for 60 warships, 40-60 cargo and troopships carrying 68,000 tons of coal, 100,000 soldiers and a huge amount of army artillery, all of which would cross the Atlantic in 25 days, destroy the American navy (somehow) and launch a two-pronged attack on the country.

The first prong would land at Cape Cod, where they would march to Boston and siege the city with troops and artillery. The hope was that this would suppress resistance and allow the German army to occupy the city. The second, much more important attack on New York City first required a landing at Sandy Hook. German warships would then destroy fortifications protecting the upper bay. Once the way was clear, Manhattan would then be shelled.

Even Kaiser Wilhelm didn't think that he could conquer America as a whole. His hope was that this attack would cause so much damage so quickly and put so many Americans in harms way that it would encourage America to sue for peace on Germany's terms. In return for withdrawal, Germany would be allowed to absorb Cuba and Puerto Rico, and have unrestricted use of the panama canal. Potentially, Guam and the Philippines would also be on the table.

And they almost went ahead with this plan. Only Alfred von Schlieffen thought it was too crazy and refused to sign off on it.
 
Linbot

Linbot

Mr. Bubbles said:
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Here we have a personal favorite. One of Kaiser Wilhelm II's plans for invading the United States.

This particular plan, Operation Plan II, called for 60 warships, 40-60 cargo and troopships carrying 68,000 tons of coal, 100,000 soldiers and a huge amount of army artillery, all of which would cross the Atlantic in 25 days, destroy the American navy (somehow) and launch a two-pronged attack on the country.

The first prong would land at Cape Cod, where they would march to Boston and siege the city with troops and artillery. The hope was that this would suppress resistance and allow the German army to occupy the city. The second, much more important attack on New York City first required a landing at Sandy Hook. German warships would then destroy fortifications protecting the upper bay. Once the way was clear, Manhattan would then be shelled.

Even Kaiser Wilhelm didn't think that he could conquer America as a whole. His hope was that this attack would cause so much damage so quickly and put so many Americans in harms way that it would encourage America to sue for peace on Germany's terms. In return for withdrawal, Germany would be allowed to absorb Cuba and Puerto Rico, and have unrestricted use of the panama canal. Potentially, Guam and the Philippines would also be on the table.

And they almost went ahead with this plan. Only Alfred von Schlieffen thought it was too crazy and refused to sign off on it.
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I'm pretty sure Schlieffen was dead by 1917, so clearly the actual situation is a bit different.
 

WheelyWheelyLegsNoFeely

Admiral A. Kolchak said:
I'm pretty sure Schlieffen was dead by 1917, so clearly the actual situation is a bit different.
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Why do you think he wasn't able to sign off on it? :p

I'm interested in what would've happened if Germany went through with this invasion; it most likely would've failed obviously, but could it have led to an even harsher Versailles?
Mr. Bubbles said:
Oh, this wasn't part of World War I. This was put together in 1899.
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Oh. Now that really raises the question of what would happen if this plan went through.
 
Vuu

Vuu

Banned
Mr. Bubbles said:
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Here we have a personal favorite. One of Kaiser Wilhelm II's plans for invading the United States.

This particular plan, Operation Plan II, called for 60 warships, 40-60 cargo and troopships carrying 68,000 tons of coal, 100,000 soldiers and a huge amount of army artillery, all of which would cross the Atlantic in 25 days, destroy the American navy (somehow) and launch a two-pronged attack on the country.

The first prong would land at Cape Cod, where they would march to Boston and siege the city with troops and artillery. The hope was that this would suppress resistance and allow the German army to occupy the city. The second, much more important attack on New York City first required a landing at Sandy Hook. German warships would then destroy fortifications protecting the upper bay. Once the way was clear, Manhattan would then be shelled.

Even Kaiser Wilhelm didn't think that he could conquer America as a whole. His hope was that this attack would cause so much damage so quickly and put so many Americans in harms way that it would encourage America to sue for peace on Germany's terms. In return for withdrawal, Germany would be allowed to absorb Cuba and Puerto Rico, and have unrestricted use of the panama canal. Potentially, Guam and the Philippines would also be on the table.

And they almost went ahead with this plan. Only Alfred von Schlieffen thought it was too crazy and refused to sign off on it.
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Well the Americans did manage to pull some weird naval stuff (Normandy landings, with the entire Atlantic wall system), so if American naval invasion of Europe is possible, then it must be true the other way around (especially when the US doesn't have a chain of forts on the coast)
 
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