Sports What Ifs.

AltSptHst

Colonel Zoidberg said:
Yeah, that Jags team was incredible, but also the team might have been better and drawn Tennessee in the opening game. They win, the Bills beat Seattle, and the Dolphins go to Indy instead of Jacksonville. Marino plays OK, the defense holds together, and the Dolphins get the upset, heading to Jacksonville where they...lose a mostly defensive battle, something like 21-10.

The wrinkle? Marino comes back in 2000. That season had the potential to be magic. Imagine if Marino goes out on top in 2000 and the Dolphins draft Brees in 2001 - holy shit do we have an awesome team. By now, the Pats and Dolphins would probably share about 6-7 more titles rather than the Pats dominating, and expect to hear the name Drew Bleeping Brees a lot.
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I don't know if the Pats would be that great in this world. It depends on how Dom Capers does as their HC (Kraft was ready to hire him before he was able to agree with the Jets on compensation for Belichick). They may have Brady (outgoing personnel man Bobby Grier drafted him), but he's a product of the Belichick-Ernie Adams cheating system to a fair degree, and he may not get as much of a chance with Capers as coach.

Side note: Allegedly, the Pats also wanted to interview Rams OC Mike Martz that off-season as well. However, the Rams said that he would be the guaranteed successor to Vermeil for the HC job if he didn't take the interview. He agreed. Vermeil got upset at the Rams for doing that, he resigned, and Martz took over.
 

Nivek

Jim Smitty said:
Here is one, what if the NFL maintained a 12 round draft like they had till 91?
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Depends, more undrafted guys would get a chance? after that not much different.

AltSptHst said:
I don't know if the Pats would be that great in this world. It depends on how Dom Capers does as their HC (Kraft was ready to hire him before he was able to agree with the Jets on compensation for Belichick). They may have Brady (outgoing personnel man Bobby Grier drafted him), but he's a product of the Belichick-Ernie Adams cheating system to a fair degree, and he may not get as much of a chance with Capers as coach.

Side note: Allegedly, the Pats also wanted to interview Rams OC Mike Martz that off-season as well. However, the Rams said that he would be the guaranteed successor to Vermeil for the HC job if he didn't take the interview. He agreed. Vermeil got upset at the Rams for doing that, he resigned, and Martz took over.
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Umm nice points-. @Colonel Zoidberg your two cents on it?
 

Colonel Zoidberg

Hmmm, not sure but if Capers’ hand is forced (which Belichick’s kind of was) then the Tom Brady era starts anyway. Capers is certainly a capable coach but is a defensive guy and would need to delegate offense. So Brady’s success may hinge on an excellent OC who’s happy being an OC and doesn’t jump to being a head coach for the first shitty team that throws money at him. Those are few and far between, and the best they could hope for is a guy like Josh McDaniels who strikes out as a head coach and goes back to being Brady’s OC.
 

Colonel Zoidberg

Another WI: WI Joe Montana avoids that hit in the 1990 NFC Championship that effectively destroyed his career and meant that his next start would be in 1993 with the Chiefs?

Start with assuming that he gets rid of the ball for an incomplete pass on that play, the 49ers punt, and Montana remains healthy into the 1991 season regardless of the outcome of the NFC Championship that season.
 

Nivek

Colonel Zoidberg said:
Another WI: WI Joe Montana avoids that hit in the 1990 NFC Championship that effectively destroyed his career and meant that his next start would be in 1993 with the Chiefs?

Start with assuming that he gets rid of the ball for an incomplete pass on that play, the 49ers punt, and Montana remains healthy into the 1991 season regardless of the outcome of the NFC Championship that season.
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Steve young to the chiefs them?
 
Jim Smitty

Jim Smitty

Colonel Zoidberg said:
Another WI: WI Joe Montana avoids that hit in the 1990 NFC Championship that effectively destroyed his career and meant that his next start would be in 1993 with the Chiefs?

Start with assuming that he gets rid of the ball for an incomplete pass on that play, the 49ers punt, and Montana remains healthy into the 1991 season regardless of the outcome of the NFC Championship that season.
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The question that comes to mind how much more gas those Montana still have in the tank and how long would the Niners be willing to sit on Young.
 

Ace Venom

On April 16, 2000, the New Orleans Saints used the 168th draft pick (6th round) on quarterback Marc Bulger. Marc Bulger spent training camp with the Saints, but he was ultimately waived by the team. What if it happened differently?

Alternate timeline: The Saints do draft a quarterback in the sixth round, but a different one. They instead use the 168th draft pick to select Tom Brady. Unlike with Marc Bulger, Tom Brady works out in training camp for the Saints. The initial butterflies are that the Saints don't have to trade their third round draft pick in 2001 to Green Bay for Aaron Brooks and Lamont Hall. Tom Brady is installed as the second string quarterback to Jeff Blake. Like clockwork, Jeff Blake still gets a broken foot during the 11th game of the season. The Tom Brady era begins.
 
Jim Smitty

Jim Smitty

Ace Venom said:
On April 16, 2000, the New Orleans Saints used the 168th draft pick (6th round) on quarterback Marc Bulger. Marc Bulger spent training camp with the Saints, but he was ultimately waived by the team. What if it happened differently?

Alternate timeline: The Saints do draft a quarterback in the sixth round, but a different one. They instead use the 168th draft pick to select Tom Brady. Unlike with Marc Bulger, Tom Brady works out in training camp for the Saints. The initial butterflies are that the Saints don't have to trade their third round draft pick in 2001 to Green Bay for Aaron Brooks and Lamont Hall. Tom Brady is installed as the second string quarterback to Jeff Blake. Like clockwork, Jeff Blake still gets a broken foot during the 11th game of the season. The Tom Brady era begins.
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Honestly IMO it took a highly unlikely string of events and forces to create Brady in New England. Anywhere else he most likely is just a back up for a few years before he is out of the league.
 

Nivek

Ace Venom said:
On April 16, 2000, the New Orleans Saints used the 168th draft pick (6th round) on quarterback Marc Bulger. Marc Bulger spent training camp with the Saints, but he was ultimately waived by the team. What if it happened differently?

Alternate timeline: The Saints do draft a quarterback in the sixth round, but a different one. They instead use the 168th draft pick to select Tom Brady. Unlike with Marc Bulger, Tom Brady works out in training camp for the Saints. The initial butterflies are that the Saints don't have to trade their third round draft pick in 2001 to Green Bay for Aaron Brooks and Lamont Hall. Tom Brady is installed as the second string quarterback to Jeff Blake. Like clockwork, Jeff Blake still gets a broken foot during the 11th game of the season. The Tom Brady era begins.
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Jim Smitty said:
Honestly IMO it took a highly unlikely string of events and forces to create Brady in New England. Anywhere else he most likely is just a back up for a few years before he is out of the league.
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If they get Sean Payton Early, Brady could work..or Brady could become the next Rich Gannon and found sucess...in new england when bledsoe retires...think about it

Hey plus brady beat bledsoe in training camp or bledsoe was awful all along and only got lucky with parcell?
 

Ace Venom

Jim Smitty said:
Honestly IMO it took a highly unlikely string of events and forces to create Brady in New England. Anywhere else he most likely is just a back up for a few years before he is out of the league.
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I'm not necessarily saying instant Hall of Famer or Super Bowl Run here after Brady takes over, but it's not a stretch to say Brady could have worked out better than Brooks in the short term. Consider the 2002 season, a year when the Saints actually swept the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the regular season. A playoff run wasn't out of the question before the second half of the season implosion. It certainly presents some interesting butterflies with different draft picks and what happens before or after the Katrina season.
 

AltSptHst

Jim Smitty said:
Honestly IMO it took a highly unlikely string of events and forces to create Brady in New England. Anywhere else he most likely is just a back up for a few years before he is out of the league.
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I agree with you. Early this morning, I was watching the Brady 6 on NFL Network.

It came to the part where the Browns chose Spergon Wynn from North Texas Central St (or wherever. He transferred from Minnesota) in Round 6 over Brady despite having a 47% completion rate.

The Browns made a mistake, but they did Brady a colossal favor when they passed on him.

He wouldn't have turned the Browns around (like a lot of people think). As his scouting report said, he isn't for everyone, but he would be fine in the right system. That system was New England's.
 

AnonymousSauce

Nivek said:
If they get Sean Payton Early, Brady could work..or Brady could become the next Rich Gannon and found sucess...in new england when bledsoe retires...think about it
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Honestly, that probably wouldn't even be necessary... Mike McCarthy was our OC back then, he could have done an adequate enough job grooming Brady and fitting the system around his talents for sure.

If that happened, it's entirely possible we could have won Bowls in 2000 and 2002... we were 7-3 when Blake went down in '00 with one of the best defenses in the league, and Brooks came in and went .500 the rest of the way which is what he did for the rest of his career until the Katrina season. You put Brady on that squad and they could have beaten the Vikes, Giants, and possibly the Ravens although that D was ferocious and may have given Brady fits. Then, in '02 we were 9-4 having already swept the eventual champion Bucs when Brooks suffered a shoulder injury that hampered his play for the rest of the year and led to a season-ending 3game losing streak. If we went 12-4 that year we would have been the second seed and eventually gone to Philly for the NFC championship... the same team that lost in that round the times in a row. I think we could have taken them and the Raiders in the SB for sure.
 

Nivek

AnonymousSauce said:
think we could have taken them and the Raiders in the SB for sure.
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No Brady in AFC meaning gruden stay on the Raiders and with gruden a loss is possible, but 2000 is a Nice season and pausable to win as your team stopped the GOTS that year So yeah could work very well for Saints
 

Colonel Zoidberg

Nivek said:
Polo Ground becoming a full fledge Stadium? the Giants would get ITTL Shea instead
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Probably. That would make sense if they could hold out long enough for it to happen. And if the Dodgers and Giants stay in NYC, there are two possibilities - someone else makes the leap, probably as a pair, or the PCL gets in on MLB.
 

Nivek

Colonel Zoidberg said:
Agreed. Would they work better as a third league with a fourth one added or integrated into the AL and NL?
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The idea full fledge would Work as we can add a league wide wild card early and if a southern league develop would be 4 or 6 playoffs spots, but integrated Work easier too
 

AndyWho

AnonymousSauce said:
Honestly, that probably wouldn't even be necessary... Mike McCarthy was our OC back then, he could have done an adequate enough job grooming Brady and fitting the system around his talents for sure.

If that happened, it's entirely possible we could have won Bowls in 2000 and 2002... we were 7-3 when Blake went down in '00 with one of the best defenses in the league, and Brooks came in and went .500 the rest of the way which is what he did for the rest of his career until the Katrina season. You put Brady on that squad and they could have beaten the Vikes, Giants, and possibly the Ravens although that D was ferocious and may have given Brady fits. Then, in '02 we were 9-4 having already swept the eventual champion Bucs when Brooks suffered a shoulder injury that hampered his play for the rest of the year and led to a season-ending 3game losing streak. If we went 12-4 that year we would have been the second seed and eventually gone to Philly for the NFC championship... the same team that lost in that round the times in a row. I think we could have taken them and the Raiders in the SB for sure.
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Just went through some articles. Reportedly, apart from Haslett, the other two coaches that went for interviews with the GM were Art Shell (former Raiders coach) and Gary Kubiak (the future HC of the Denver Broncos). Just some ideas to spit ball and see if they can help Brady in the start. Otherwise, I do agree that McCarthy may be a fit for Brady.

Colonel Zoidberg said:
Is there any possible way to keep the Dodgers and Giants in NYC? The Dodgers could have gotten their dome, but the Giants are a tougher sell.
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I do recall reading a TL where the Giants still moved, but ended up on the other side of the Hudson. And, while I have heard the PCL and MBL joining the majors for a four-leagued MLB, that may be the most likely (unless you can "Save the A's" the Giants via a public effort).
 
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