Probably one of the more fascinating aspects of TL-191 to talk about. The discussion back over on the Italian thread sparked my interest in the subject. The views of the popes throughout the years is almost like a look into the moral compass of the times in the books.
Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191
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Probably one of the more fascinating aspects of TL-191 to talk about. The discussion back over on the Italian thread sparked my interest in the subject. The views of the popes throughout the years is almost like a look into the moral compass of the times in the books.
Heh. You know the funny thing about this is that despite Turtledove implying that the Confederates have a "coal-scuttle" style helmet by the Second Great War, most fans, or at least a vocal few, just straight up portray Confederates with the M1 helmet instead, while the US Army has their copy of the Stahlhelm. I think that's a good deviation symbolically though.
Here are some more fan-made tanks from TL-191. This picture shows both the United States and Confederate tanks compared side-by-side, from the lightest to the heaviest tanks used throughout the course of the war.
DeviantArt user Soundwave3591 did the pictures and credit goes to him --->>> https://www.deviantart.com/soundwave3591/art/Southern-Victory-Barrels-764000856
--->>> https://www.deviantart.com/soundwave3591/art/TL191-Confederate-Mark-4-Barrel-763040558
DeviantArt user Soundwave3591 did the pictures and credit goes to him --->>> https://www.deviantart.com/soundwave3591/art/Southern-Victory-Barrels-764000856
--->>> https://www.deviantart.com/soundwave3591/art/TL191-Confederate-Mark-4-Barrel-763040558
Map of Virginia, 1917-1944
A more accurate version of Virginia if the U.S.-C.S. border was actually divided on the Rappahannock river.
A more accurate version of Virginia if the U.S.-C.S. border was actually divided on the Rappahannock river.
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IIRC, the Tsar was not in Petrograd when the Germans dropped their superbomb on that city. He survived the Second Great War, if memory serves correctly
Oh, poop. That's right. I got him mixed up with the king of France.
Map of the State of Houston, 1917-1941
My interpretation of how the State of Houston would look, along with a more accurate portrayal of the departments (not states, not provinces) of the Second Mexican Empire and the actual size of Chihuahua.
*I forgot to add in the city of Austin.
Great map! I had no idea you did picture editing! This looks great! You even included the counties!
Ah this one I like too. More realistic. The map in the books made it seem like Virginia was sliced almost in half at the top despite it saying the line was drawn based on the border of the Rappahannock. What's interesting here is that the land now belongs to Maryland, making an already oddly shaped state even more oddly shaped. Fredericksburg is essentially a border town, or border fortress depending on how you look at it.
Nice work!
Okay guys, real question here:
What American Founding Fathers or heroes of the American Revolution would still be held in high regard by both the United States and Confederacy? What people from the War of 1812? The Mexican War?
Asking this because I want names for United States tanks. Random I know.
What American Founding Fathers or heroes of the American Revolution would still be held in high regard by both the United States and Confederacy? What people from the War of 1812? The Mexican War?
Asking this because I want names for United States tanks. Random I know.
I'm pretty sure Washington would still be held in high regard and a lot of other heroes of the American Revolution, von Steuben might not be held in high regard in the CSA though because he was a Prussian. I think the heroes of the Mexican War would be down played in the US since Texas and most of the other states won in that war ended up joining the CS.
Its an interesting question, one I was thinking about when I named one of my barrels the "von Steuben".
Its an interesting question, one I was thinking about when I named one of my barrels the "von Steuben".
Thank you, Alterwright!
Yeah, I didn't think I'd be able to make a decent TL-191 map, but I was wrong! I found a pre-existing template of Virginia and Texas with all of the counties. It was helpful for me to draw how big Houston would look like. I should have gotten rid of the names of the counties and their boundaries, but I got lazy and I had to go to sleep.
Drawing the departments of Mexico that were close to Texas was difficult. I tried to make them look as realistic as possible based on looking and comparing different maps.
Turtledove, for some reason, had West Virginia gain the upper part of Virginia. I didn't like it and decided that it should be annexed to Maryland.
To answer your question of how some important American people would be viewed by both US and CS, jmberry made this interesting post a few years ago:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-80#post-11164743
Yeah, I didn't think I'd be able to make a decent TL-191 map, but I was wrong! I found a pre-existing template of Virginia and Texas with all of the counties. It was helpful for me to draw how big Houston would look like. I should have gotten rid of the names of the counties and their boundaries, but I got lazy and I had to go to sleep.
Drawing the departments of Mexico that were close to Texas was difficult. I tried to make them look as realistic as possible based on looking and comparing different maps.
Turtledove, for some reason, had West Virginia gain the upper part of Virginia. I didn't like it and decided that it should be annexed to Maryland.
To answer your question of how some important American people would be viewed by both US and CS, jmberry made this interesting post a few years ago:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-80#post-11164743
United States artillery men preparing to fire upon advancing Confederate forces in Ohio circa 1941 with chemical shells. Following Featherstone's approval of the use of chemical weapons in the early stages of Operation Blackbeard both sides on the North American theater openly engaged in chemical warfare, hoping to tip the tides in their favor.
Confederate infantrymen on patrol along the Ohio-Illinois border, equipped with hazmat equipment in case of Union chemical attack.
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I would say its part of his unit's emblem, there was a US Army unit IOTL that had the swastika on its patch but removed it after Germany declared war on the US.
Map of the Republic of Quebec, Post-1917
I decided to incorporate the disputed boundary of Labrador into Quebec and give Newfoundland over to the United States. In my version, Prince Edward Island was renamed to "Roosevelt Island", in honor of Theodore Roosevelt.
I decided to incorporate the disputed boundary of Labrador into Quebec and give Newfoundland over to the United States. In my version, Prince Edward Island was renamed to "Roosevelt Island", in honor of Theodore Roosevelt.
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Thank you, Alterwright!
Yeah, I didn't think I'd be able to make a decent TL-191 map, but I was wrong! I found a pre-existing template of Virginia and Texas with all of the counties. It was helpful for me to draw how big Houston would look like. I should have gotten rid of the names of the counties and their boundaries, but I got lazy and I had to go to sleep.
Drawing the departments of Mexico that were close to Texas was difficult. I tried to make them look as realistic as possible based on looking and comparing different maps.
Turtledove, for some reason, had West Virginia gain the upper part of Virginia. I didn't like it and decided that it should be annexed to Maryland.
To answer your question of how some important American people would be viewed by both US and CS, jmberry made this interesting post a few years ago:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-80#post-11164743
Thank you, I appreciate that, especially the post on how the Confederacy and the United States would view these presidents in their own histories! It makes you wonder how other famous US individuals from our world before the point of divergence would do in the history books of each country.
I actually have an idea for several famous Revolutionary War individuals that I can put up here. I'll tag you when I get it up.
Nice map of Quebec! This would be handy for future discussions, especially on anything that has to do with Quebec's Army trying to help police the Canadians in Occupied Canada.
I believe there was another patch with an Indian chief wearing a war bonnet with a swastika on it that was reversed and not on a tilt. I'll try to find it.