jimbowyrick1 does great work, really like the colors and I love the sword & eagle emblem. A very nice touch.
Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191
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I imagined Jefferson Pinkard to look similar to Goebbels with long shoulder-length hair... until he gets very obese at the end of the series.
I always envisioned the actor Joe Bernthal (Punisher, Walking Dead)
Hmm. Joe Bernthal.
I've seen him in that one movie with Dwyane Johnson.
This sounds weird, but he looks too "ethnic" to me.
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i think in my case it may have been for his demeanor rather than the steel-working--while i was obviously aware of that while reading TL-191 (which i somehow still haven't finished yet), i'd actually completely forgotten that he was a steel worker until you mentioned it just now
Personally I tend towards Mr Jackie Earle Haley myself; in ALL THE KING'S MEN he's almost terrifyingly on-model for my mental image of The Snake.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Atkm-cds2.jpg
^^ I won't mind if you disagree ... but HE will! ^^
Interesting! I always did imagine that in TL-191, Anne Frank and Martin Luther King Jr switched roles with eachother.
A photo of Robert and Otto Frank taken during the Great War. During the Second Great War, both Franks were tragically killed during the Franco-British offensive into the Netherlands.
Otto's daughter, Anneliese. After his death, she gained fame by writing letters to newspapers, describing life as both a Jew and a daughter of a German soldier. In her adulthood, she became a powerful voice for Jews, suffering oppression in Europe, particularly in France and Russia, though she occasionally spoke on issues of human rights affecting non-Jews, particularly the Negroes in the restive former Confederacy. Her speeches on the topic of human rights are celebrated worldwide.
For Anne Frank, I do see her surviving and becoming a prolific writer and an activist that supports her own people and other people around the world who suffer from oppression.
However, I do not see MLK, Jr. ever existing in TL-191. Too many different historical events have changed for his ancestors to do the exact same thing that would have allowed him to be born.
Confederate soldier, ca. 1941. Location Unknown. Presumed to be somewhere in the Western Confederacy
Confederate soldiers in Haiti, ca. 1942
CSMC (Confederate States Marine Corps) soldier in Ohio with a dog by his side, ca. 1943
American Soldier, Location Unknown, Presumed to be taken in Occupied-Confederate territory, ca. 1944
Source: http://brendonshelmets.weebly.com/
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Given that Churchill was born in 1873, before U.S.-British diplomatic relations hit another low point, I suppose that he still would have been born despite sour relations between Americans and British people, albeit with more of a strong reaction of scandal between both families.
This is why I didn't like the idea of Churchill existing in TL-191. Not impossible for him to be born in TL-191, but it is less likely. I'll have to read up on his family history a little more.
I wish I could give this more than just a "like".
The only known picture of 'Amos,', a Negro resident of the Confederate States during the reign of the Freedom Party. Fearing for his family, his father moved them to Virginia, intent on crossing into the United States. However, this was rejected by US authorities and Amos' father was not willing to risk his son's life to illegally cross the border. They were stuck in the heartland of the Confederacy.
To pass the time, when he turned 13, Amos began writing a diary to chronicle his experiences as a Negro. His father being a preacher, the diary is full of Biblical references, tied in with Amos' deepest desires, including to kiss a white girl and to go to school. He called the diary 'A Negro Named Amos'.
However, time ran out for Amos' family just before the outbreak of the Second Great War. According to eyewitnesses and Freedom Party arrest records, Amos's father was arrested on trumped up charges of being a Negro rebel. They took his family into custody , along with him. They were taken to Camp Determination.
Amos did not survive the Population Reduction. Eyewitness accounts vary, both from prisoners and even from Freedom Party Guards. Some say he was gassed in the bathhouses, some say he was gassed while being 'transferred'. None of his family survived either.
Amos's diary did survive, however. It was saved by a Freedom Party Guard who was supposedly intrigued that a 'pickaninny' could write at all. After reading the diary during the course of the Second Great War, the Guard suffered a severe bout of depression and guilt for his partaking in the Population Reduction. After he was spared the death penalty, the former Guard published the diary under Amos's name, after writing a preface in which he claimed he came to know Amos through his writings and officially apologized for his partaking in the Reduction. The former Guard committed suicide not long after the publishing of the book by turning his garage into his own personal gas chamber by leaving the motor of his car running.
Amos's diary is a celebrated piece of American literature, often called the 20th Century version of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Controversially, it has bene designated as mandatory reading for students in the former Confederacy, leading to some allegations of brainwashing by so-called 'Southern rights activists'. Most recently, it has come under a small controversy for a passage referring to Amos undergoing puberty, leading to censored versions of the diary being released to certain schools.
Amos's house in Virginia is now a museum, where thousands of Americans, both white and black, flock to learn the sad, but bold story of Amos.
The only known picture of 'Amos,', a Negro resident of the Confederate States during the reign of the Freedom Party. Fearing for his family, his father moved them to Virginia, intent on crossing into the United States. However, this was rejected by US authorities and Amos' father was not willing to risk his son's life to illegally cross the border. They were stuck in the heartland of the Confederacy.
To pass the time, when he turned 13, Amos began writing a diary to chronicle his experiences as a Negro. His father being a preacher, the diary is full of Biblical references, tied in with Amos' deepest desires, including to kiss a white girl and to go to school. He called the diary 'A Negro Named Amos'.
However, time ran out for Amos' family just before the outbreak of the Second Great War. According to eyewitnesses and Freedom Party arrest records, Amos's father was arrested on trumped up charges of being a Negro rebel. They took his family into custody , along with him. They were taken to Camp Determination.
Amos did not survive the Population Reduction. Eyewitness accounts vary, both from prisoners and even from Freedom Party Guards. Some say he was gassed in the bathhouses, some say he was gassed while being 'transferred'. None of his family survived either.
Amos's diary did survive, however. It was saved by a Freedom Party Guard who was supposedly intrigued that a 'pickaninny' could write at all. After reading the diary during the course of the Second Great War, the Guard suffered a severe bout of depression and guilt for his partaking in the Population Reduction. After he was spared the death penalty, the former Guard published the diary under Amos's name, after writing a preface in which he claimed he came to know Amos through his writings and officially apologized for his partaking in the Reduction. The former Guard committed suicide not long after the publishing of the book by turning his garage into his own personal gas chamber by leaving the motor of his car running.
Amos's diary is a celebrated piece of American literature, often called the 20th Century version of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Controversially, it has bene designated as mandatory reading for students in the former Confederacy, leading to some allegations of brainwashing by so-called 'Southern rights activists'. Most recently, it has come under a small controversy for a passage referring to Amos undergoing puberty, leading to censored versions of the diary being released to certain schools.
Amos's house in Virginia is now a museum, where thousands of Americans, both white and black, flock to learn the sad, but bold story of Amos.
Despite my mixed thoughts on hard parallelism in TL-191... I must admit that this alternate version of an Anne Frank character made me feel very emotional. I am glad that us fans can sometimes add complex and emotionally satisfying moments that makes the story be more "real".
Thank you, Nathan Bernacki, for your contribution. :')
What is the original source of the photograph, if I may ask? (aka: Who is it?)
The Popes Against the Confederacy (1862-1944)
Since the birth of the Confederate States of America, European countries were put into an awkward position when the question of recognizing them as a sovereign nation was brought into discussion. While the victories of the Battle of Camp Hill and Battle of Kentucky eventually lead to formal recognition of the Confederacy, other nations still refused to grant it. One of them was the Papal States under the leadership of Pope Pius IX. Despite writing letters to Catholic bishops about the need to end the war and telling Confederate envoys to accept emancipation, Pius IX refused to recognize the CSA as long as they continue to have racial slavery within their borders. At first, His Holiness decided to write a letter in 1863 pleading for President Jefferson Davis to free the slaves, but was convinced to disregard writing it due to the Confederacy’s prohibition to ban slavery in their Constitution.
Twenty years later, there was a Second Confederate Constitution written that allowed for the manumission of slaves within the Confederacy, albeit still designating Blacks as second-class citizens. During this time, the Papal States had ceased to exist and the current pope was now stateless. Pope Leo XIII decided to finally recognize the Confederate States of America and sent diplomats to President James Longstreet and vice-versa. Longstreet would admit that he was glad that his cognitive dissonance between being a devout, but secret, Catholic since 1877 and being leader of a country that supported slavery was now over ever since he read Gregory XVI’s In supremo apostolatus, which condemned the slave trade and the continuation of slavery. Leo XIII would eventually keep reminding the Confederacy of the importance of allowing their Black population to be given fair treatment and that they should have worker’s rights and to all other races. However, this advice was constantly ignored by Confederate officials.
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During the reign of Pius X, there was some increased missionary activity within the Confederate States but with little success. Most Blacks preferred Communism over Catholicism and White Confederates were strongly anti-Catholic. Relations with the United States were more cordial but the Pope was growing concerned with the Revanchist ideology that reigned supreme within its politics. Sadly, he would die a month after the start of the First Great War.
Benedict XV, nick-named Il Piccoletto (The Little Man) for his short height, warned that the ongoing Great War would result in the “Suicide of Western Civilization”. When he learned of the Armenians being killed by the Ottomans, he wrote to the Sultan, Mehmed V, pleading to end the killings in 1915 and 1916. He would be ignored as was the only leader to officially condemn the Armenian Reduction during the First Great War. In August 1917, His Holiness introduced a Peace Plan that was made up of Seven Points that are to be accepted without condition for all belligerent nations. Neither side was willing to accept the plan and, once again, the Pope was ignored. A Central Powers victory would eventually happen one month later.
After the death of Benedict XV in 1922, Pius XI became pope and issued encyclicals, letters, and other documents that condemned socialism, Communism, fascism, racism, and anti-Semitism. He condemned Action France for the usurpation of the French government, criticized Britain’s growing Fascist tendencies under Oswald Mosley, called attention to the Anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia, and warned of the Confederacy’s persecution of its own Black population. Despite not being able to convince the Italian government to regain some territory so that he may be fully independent from Italy, His Holiness was able to give a voice to those that suffered injustices around the world without limit.
A new pope was elected in 1939 and took on the name Pius XII. When he was a cardinal, he visited both the United States and the Confederate States during the 1930’s and realized that there would soon be another war that would consume the world for the second time. He was disgusted by Confederate society and its behavior toward Blacks. He had a deep contempt for Featherston for both his murderous hatred of one third of his nation’s population and his ignorance of how world politics worked. Similar to his predecessor, he issued similar, but this time, thinly-veiled, condemnations against the politics of Britain, France, Russia, and the Confederacy. His Holiness also called attention to the United States’ indifference of Blacks and treatment of their conquered Canadian subjects, along with the excessive mistreatment of Mormons. When Featherston realized that Pius XII’s condemnations included him, he began to spread lies that the Pope did not care about non-Catholics and that he was not making any official statements. He also fed into Confederate Protestants’ prejudice against Catholics by rehashing old canards against Catholicism and anything related to it. In secret, His Holiness set up underground networks for clergymen and members of the laity to save as many Blacks as possible until the end of the Second Great War. Similar networks were done for Jews and other persecuted people in Europe. Even though he would be credited for saving so many people decades after his death, some anti-Catholic historians would refuse to accept any claim that Pius XII was a hero.
Historical Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_...es#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedi...v_enc_01111914_ad-beatissimi-apostolorum.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XV#Peace_efforts
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...-and-holy-see-tried-to-stop-armenian-genocide
https://www.papalartifacts.com/5954-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XI#International_relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XI#Condemnation_of_racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
Since the birth of the Confederate States of America, European countries were put into an awkward position when the question of recognizing them as a sovereign nation was brought into discussion. While the victories of the Battle of Camp Hill and Battle of Kentucky eventually lead to formal recognition of the Confederacy, other nations still refused to grant it. One of them was the Papal States under the leadership of Pope Pius IX. Despite writing letters to Catholic bishops about the need to end the war and telling Confederate envoys to accept emancipation, Pius IX refused to recognize the CSA as long as they continue to have racial slavery within their borders. At first, His Holiness decided to write a letter in 1863 pleading for President Jefferson Davis to free the slaves, but was convinced to disregard writing it due to the Confederacy’s prohibition to ban slavery in their Constitution.
Twenty years later, there was a Second Confederate Constitution written that allowed for the manumission of slaves within the Confederacy, albeit still designating Blacks as second-class citizens. During this time, the Papal States had ceased to exist and the current pope was now stateless. Pope Leo XIII decided to finally recognize the Confederate States of America and sent diplomats to President James Longstreet and vice-versa. Longstreet would admit that he was glad that his cognitive dissonance between being a devout, but secret, Catholic since 1877 and being leader of a country that supported slavery was now over ever since he read Gregory XVI’s In supremo apostolatus, which condemned the slave trade and the continuation of slavery. Leo XIII would eventually keep reminding the Confederacy of the importance of allowing their Black population to be given fair treatment and that they should have worker’s rights and to all other races. However, this advice was constantly ignored by Confederate officials.
During the reign of Pius X, there was some increased missionary activity within the Confederate States but with little success. Most Blacks preferred Communism over Catholicism and White Confederates were strongly anti-Catholic. Relations with the United States were more cordial but the Pope was growing concerned with the Revanchist ideology that reigned supreme within its politics. Sadly, he would die a month after the start of the First Great War.
Benedict XV, nick-named Il Piccoletto (The Little Man) for his short height, warned that the ongoing Great War would result in the “Suicide of Western Civilization”. When he learned of the Armenians being killed by the Ottomans, he wrote to the Sultan, Mehmed V, pleading to end the killings in 1915 and 1916. He would be ignored as was the only leader to officially condemn the Armenian Reduction during the First Great War. In August 1917, His Holiness introduced a Peace Plan that was made up of Seven Points that are to be accepted without condition for all belligerent nations. Neither side was willing to accept the plan and, once again, the Pope was ignored. A Central Powers victory would eventually happen one month later.
After the death of Benedict XV in 1922, Pius XI became pope and issued encyclicals, letters, and other documents that condemned socialism, Communism, fascism, racism, and anti-Semitism. He condemned Action France for the usurpation of the French government, criticized Britain’s growing Fascist tendencies under Oswald Mosley, called attention to the Anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia, and warned of the Confederacy’s persecution of its own Black population. Despite not being able to convince the Italian government to regain some territory so that he may be fully independent from Italy, His Holiness was able to give a voice to those that suffered injustices around the world without limit.
A new pope was elected in 1939 and took on the name Pius XII. When he was a cardinal, he visited both the United States and the Confederate States during the 1930’s and realized that there would soon be another war that would consume the world for the second time. He was disgusted by Confederate society and its behavior toward Blacks. He had a deep contempt for Featherston for both his murderous hatred of one third of his nation’s population and his ignorance of how world politics worked. Similar to his predecessor, he issued similar, but this time, thinly-veiled, condemnations against the politics of Britain, France, Russia, and the Confederacy. His Holiness also called attention to the United States’ indifference of Blacks and treatment of their conquered Canadian subjects, along with the excessive mistreatment of Mormons. When Featherston realized that Pius XII’s condemnations included him, he began to spread lies that the Pope did not care about non-Catholics and that he was not making any official statements. He also fed into Confederate Protestants’ prejudice against Catholics by rehashing old canards against Catholicism and anything related to it. In secret, His Holiness set up underground networks for clergymen and members of the laity to save as many Blacks as possible until the end of the Second Great War. Similar networks were done for Jews and other persecuted people in Europe. Even though he would be credited for saving so many people decades after his death, some anti-Catholic historians would refuse to accept any claim that Pius XII was a hero.
Historical Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_...es#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedi...v_enc_01111914_ad-beatissimi-apostolorum.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XV#Peace_efforts
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...-and-holy-see-tried-to-stop-armenian-genocide
https://www.papalartifacts.com/5954-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XI#International_relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XI#Condemnation_of_racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
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Music from the Confederacy (1861-1944)
In-universe:
WARNING: The following music is illegal to possess and play in public within the United States. The penalties for violating the law is imprisonment, death, or both. Complete recordings have been destroyed or kept in vaults within the former Confederacy. Other complete recordings have been found outside of the United States, such as in Mexico and in Britain. Outside of North America, little to no regulation exists for Confederate songs. Listen at your own risk...
In-universe:
WARNING: The following music is illegal to possess and play in public within the United States. The penalties for violating the law is imprisonment, death, or both. Complete recordings have been destroyed or kept in vaults within the former Confederacy. Other complete recordings have been found outside of the United States, such as in Mexico and in Britain. Outside of North America, little to no regulation exists for Confederate songs. Listen at your own risk...
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German naval garrison in Tsingtao training. Circa 1940.
The German's foothold in China was always under threat from Japan. After Japan giving it back to the Germans after the Great War, and especially after Japan expanded into the Pacific in the 20's, the German High Command decided to fortify the place. Fortifications didn't mean anything if there was no one to man them, so the Germans decided to train the native population instead of using German troops. During the SGW, Japan just avoided Tsingtao instead of trying to storm the forts.