The Twin Vipers: A TL of the Berlin-Moscow Axis

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Oh boy. Patton on the road to topple the Nazis. One thought comes to mind.




Blood Spilled In a Battered City, December 1944


A New Direction, January 1945

Within hours of his inauguration, President Harry Truman was on the telephone with Winston Churchill, hoping to determine how much the British were capable of contributing to the war. Churchill, like Daladier, was beginning to grow concerned about the ability of his nation to provide enough manpower for the front while maintaining a productive economy back home. Unlike France, for Britain the situation was not so urgent as to require the immediate transfer of units to quiet parts of the line or occupation duty in Germany, but Churchill did say that the war needed to be ended within the next twelve or eighteen months.

As Patton’s troops were nearing Poland, the possibility of using liberated populations in the fight against communism was also raised. A brief discussion on the use of Germans had been shut down by Roosevelt as it risked allowing a revival of Nazism, but the formation of a new Polish Army carried no such risk, and similar liberation movements were also possible in Romania, the Baltic Region and even the Ukraine, the latter in particular having acquired considerable support after Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera had been freed from Nazi house arrest in Munich (his arrest likely having taken place at Stalin’s request).

- BNC

Stepan Bandera OTL was complicit in a lot of shady shit, like the mass murder of Jews and persecution of Poles.

He might be an incredible wild card. I can see him becoming a horrible strongman dictator if he is given a position and power, and using that power to persecute the Jews and Poles he governs over. On the other hand, he might develop Ukrainian culture and tradition, and lead the battered nation into something of a golden age.



While retaking Poland, Patton’s men found out that the ‘death camps’, discussed but never found in Germany, were true. Large factory-like complexes located in the middle of nowhere, along with evidence of mass graves, were found scattered across the region. Communist graffiti indicated that at some point after Hitler’s fall, Stalin had placed the camps under new management, while they continued their deadly business of murdering millions. Evacuated by the time the Americans arrived (with any survivors likely to have been shipped off to Siberia), the camps provided further proof of the need to win the war. But before Patton would have a chance to do that, he would have to negotiate the Molotov Line, a massive line of fortifications covering the length of the Soviet border, from Memel in the north to the Siret River in the south. It was here that the Red Army would make its stand.

Wait, Stalin ITTL actually participated in the final solution? Did Soviet Jews get sent there (as a token gesture by Stalin to his old buddy?)



The OTL German-led invasion was garrisoning or fighting on at least three other fronts and had critical materials shortages plus the Soviets were essentially fighting a one-front war and being propped up with lend-lease kit and food supplies. Here the Allies and Japan are attacking the Soviets on two fronts and have no blockade stopping them from bringing in all the logistics that they can carry. Nor like the Nazis are they going to alienate the populations that they liberate. And a lot of Soviet Jews may not be a desperately committed to the struggle as OTL. This invasion will have access to the British and US textile industry for warm winter woolies and be well supplied with Spam and Argentinean corned beef

Another thing is that the Allies are not likely to commit mass murder against the Ukrainians and Belarusians. Once the allies give these starved people chocolates, they will happen pledge allegiance to America.

The sight of these people cheering as Americans liberate them would be something conservatives would celebrate for a long time to come.

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BTW, I wanted to ask.

If Truman is able to topple Stalin, would that give him the ability to push his social programs, like health care and housing? Since not only would there be no Soviet boogeyman to scare people away from reforms, but that he could take credit for toppling the boogeyman.
 
Wait, Stalin ITTL actually participated in the final solution? Did Soviet Jews get sent there (as a token gesture by Stalin to his old buddy?)
OTL Stalin is strongly suspected of slowing the advance of the Red Army into Poland to allow the Germans to do his dirty work for him not only in suppressing the Warsaw Rising but in allowing them time to liquidate more Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. All of whom suffered under Stalin too.
 
So ITTL I guess the soviet generals will have similar reputations as the German generals of OTL, as far as the rabid fanboos goes (what's the fetish for Soviet equivalent for wehraboos again?).

"Man for man [insert soviet general here] would beat the shit out of Patton!"

"Fuck off redaboo, playing fair's for whinyass losers who lost before they started."
 
I wonder if chunks of Siberia are enough for the Japanese to give up China.

It will have to be enough, because China now has an experienced, coherent fighting force and lots of leftover equipment.

But China should declare war against the Soviets soon, or be left with nothing at the peace conference. Other than Soviet and Mongolian land, China can and should ask for reparations and industrial equipment to rebuild their country faster, and get ready for a final showdown against Japan in the early 50s.
 
It will have to be enough, because China now has an experienced, coherent fighting force and lots of leftover equipment.

But China should declare war against the Soviets soon, or be left with nothing at the peace conference. Other than Soviet and Mongolian land, China can and should ask for reparations and industrial equipment to rebuild their country faster, and get ready for a final showdown against Japan in the early 50s.

I doubt that there will be one. The Allies seem fairly upset with China for dodging out, to the point FDR has recognised Japanese control in Manchuria. China wouldn’t have any pals in a fight with Japan. Plus, odds are Japan will have the Bomb sooner than China...along with potential civil war in China.

I’d say Japanese control over Manchuria’s going to be a long-term thing - China won’t be able to start any new wars with it in the 50s...
 
With no help from Soviet I can’t see China can make A-bomb faster than Japan in this timeline, not to say start a new war. But if they really really want Manchuria, it will put Manchukou closer to the Japanese. As least they still have the Golden desert in peace treaty right?
 
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OTL Stalin is strongly suspected of slowing the advance of the Red Army into Poland to allow the Germans to do his dirty work for him not only in suppressing the Warsaw Rising but in allowing them time to liquidate more Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. All of whom suffered under Stalin too.

In those instances, Stalin used inaction to let the Germans trash Poland enough to leave it prime for his taking.

But did Stalin actually participate in the TTL Holocaust just to keep his alliance with Hitler?
 
Yes, unless the Allies are in Moscow before December, I think General Winter will have a few things to say before the end.
Comrade Mud is of much greater concern to Patton than General Winter, and he shows up around mid-October.

The OTL German-led invasion was garrisoning or fighting on at least three other fronts and had critical materials shortages plus the Soviets were essentially fighting a one-front war and being propped up with lend-lease kit and food supplies. Here the Allies and Japan are attacking the Soviets on two fronts and have no blockade stopping them from bringing in all the logistics that they can carry. Nor like the Nazis are they going to alienate the populations that they liberate. And a lot of Soviet Jews may not be a desperately committed to the struggle as OTL. This invasion will have access to the British and US textile industry for warm winter woolies and be well supplied with Spam and Argentinean corned beef
Throw in the fact that a 1941 German truck falls apart if you drive it down a goat track. American ones aren't so likely to do that.

Wait, Stalin ITTL actually participated in the final solution? Did Soviet Jews get sent there (as a token gesture by Stalin to his old buddy?)

Stalin's main motivation was 'finishing off' the people that had been sent to the camps under Hitler but hadn't been murdered by the time Hitler was killed. Because (turns on Radio Moscow voice) "it is unmistakably clear that the people at the camps are our political enemies and cannot be trusted in the USSR's borders, and if they were to fall into Allied control they would immediately prove the most vile of collaborators".

Shortly later, Stalin decided he had some people of his own that he wanted to get rid of (yes, including Soviet Jews), and what else are the death camps but ready made gulags?

OTL Stalin is strongly suspected of slowing the advance of the Red Army into Poland to allow the Germans to do his dirty work for him not only in suppressing the Warsaw Rising but in allowing them time to liquidate more Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. All of whom suffered under Stalin too.
The Warsaw Rising situation is a bit unclear. But the Doctors Plot sure isn't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot). And Stalin had had 5 years of direct access to the source of all the Nazi propaganda.

If Truman is able to topple Stalin, would that give him the ability to push his social programs, like health care and housing? Since not only would there be no Soviet boogeyman to scare people away from reforms, but that he could take credit for toppling the boogeyman.
Truman will be able to do damn near anything he wants if he wins the war. The Democrats also have control of both houses of Congress, which combined with a >70% approval rating can only mean good things.

So ITTL I guess the soviet generals will have similar reputations as the German generals of OTL, as far as the rabid fanboos goes (what's the fetish for Soviet equivalent for wehraboos again?).

"Man for man [insert soviet general here] would beat the shit out of Patton!"

"Fuck off redaboo, playing fair's for whinyass losers who lost before they started."
commieboo?

And if anyone is wondering, *AH.com's most asked question is "WI the Germans took Paris?", and the most popular answer something to the tune of "Axis win the war because Hitler and Stalin are the bestest of friends".

I wonder if chunks of Siberia are enough for the Japanese to give up China.
Most of the crazed militarists have been knocked out of power by now, and Japan has reintegrated into the international trade network reasonably well. Apart from fighting just to prove "we're tougher than you", there's no real good reason for Japan to start a war any more (they have basically everything in China worth having anyway), and their new government isn't one that starts wars just for the hell of it.

Plus Japan has been on a war footing since 1937. Most people are growing tired of it.
- BNC
 
So, have the Western Allies met with White Russian emigre leaders? If so, are their any forces of White emigres fighting to "liberate" their country from Bolshevism or are they at most simply propagandists?
 
5/45-6/45
Maginot of the East, May 1945

As the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed, neither Hitler nor Stalin had ever seriously expected an alliance between the two to be long-lasting. Both dictators went into the pact hoping to buy time from the other, Hitler to defeat France and Stalin to push the Japanese out of Asia. As soon as a new border was drawn through the centre of Poland, Stalin ordered the Red Army to begin construction of a new defensive line along the border with Germany, which later became known as the Molotov Line.

Work on the Molotov Line progressed well until early 1942, when the defences could be described as “mostly complete”. By this time however, the line was looking more and more redundant as the German Army had bogged down in France, and was becoming almost completely dependant on imported raw materials, nearly all from the USSR, in order to maintain its war efforts. Stalin was well aware that even simply cutting off the German trade would be enough to destroy the German economy within a short time, and any war with the USSR would very quickly turn against an increasingly powerless Germany, even in the unlikely event that France was forced out of the war. Apparently serving no purpose, work on the Molotov Line was abandoned.

Germany’s collapse in the wake of Hitler’s assassination triggered a new interest in the Molotov Line. In the event that the Allies were defeated by the Red Army, Stalin hoped to use the border established by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as his western frontier, with communist states being established in any states the Red Army held at that time (possibly allowing for the restoration of a Nazi regime under Halder, Goring, or another leader who Stalin believed loyal). If the Allies did manage to push the Red Army out of Germany and Poland, as Patton had done by early 1945, then the Molotov Line would prove useful as a set of defences to hold the Allies themselves out of the USSR. Work crews returned to the Molotov Line in May 1944, and in the following eight months the original line was completed, while an extension behind the Siret River in Bessarabia was added to the project (which was approximately half way to completion by the time the Italians were facing it).

The completed Molotov Line was a formidable obstacle. Manned by 3,000,000 men, the line included no fewer than 5000 concrete bunkers, containing anything from a lowly machine gun to a massive 152mm gun emplacement built to destroy even the mightiest of Allied tanks. Behind the line were thousands of pieces of artillery, and anti-air guns to defend the frontier from aerial bombardment, all well connected to the Soviet railroad network. A substantial armour reserve, including ten thousand tanks of various sizes, and the bulk of the VVS lay ready to smash any breakthrough of the line. Intelligence reported very little about the Molotov Line’s existence, and it was only when Patton’s first attempted crossing of the Bug was thrown back with heavy casualties that the Allies truly began working out how to crack a fortification effort possibly stronger than even the Maginot Line, which had held off every German attack attempted over the five years that the two had been fighting.

Seeking A Replacement, May 1945

Truman had long been committed to the idea that Stalin would need to be overthrown or killed before any peace with the USSR could be acceptable, an idea that Churchill had been advocating since the Invasion of Poland. Once the military situation was such that plans for a potential post-war world could begin to be constructed, it was still assumed that the Communist Party would retain control of Russia after the war, with most Allied leaders believing that a more moderate communist, such as Anastas Mikoyan or Nikolai Bulganin, would be the most acceptable leader, although Roosevelt maintained that if Stalin was prepared to pull back to his pre-war borders and allow the restoration of democracy in Finland, Poland, Turkey and Romania, then that would be acceptable.

Roosevelt had passed away in early February, never finding out the true scale of the atrocities that Stalin had carried out. Truman, as part of a visit to Paris to meet with Daladier, Mussolini and Churchill, had seen Buchenwald first-hand, and it was by now well-known that the worst camps were further east. No-one among the Allies even dared consider a world in which Stalin was allowed to continue ruling any longer, and as Patton decided that he would take the US Army into Moscow, it was decided to get rid of the Communist Party for good.

With most known Russian anti-communists within the USSR either dead or imprisoned in a gulag, any potential future Russian leader would have to come from Allied-held territory. During the Paris Conference in early May 1945, the idea of re-establishing the White movement, broken in the wake of the Russian Civil War, was raised as a potential solution. While many notable White leaders, generals and other notable figures had died during the 1920s and 30s, Alexander Kerensky, the most notable of all anti-Soviet leaders (although he never joined the White movement itself), was still alive and well in New York, where he spent much of his time writing papers on Russian history.

Kerensky, who had no desire to return to government after his failed term as leader in Russia during 1917, was unwilling to lead the New White Coalition, but was persuaded by Truman to give his official support for the movement in the hope of establishing legitimacy. The leadership position was eventually taken by Vasily Maklakov, who had led a liberal democratic party during the Tsar’s reign, and had since been living in France. Maklakov was able to take advantage of his less famous reputation, untainted by controversy the way Kerensky was, to unite the various groups of White emigrants under the New White Coalition Movement, and many people whose families had fled from Russia after Lenin took control volunteered to join the New White Army. Among them was Boris Shteifon, a Russian veteran of World War I and Wrangel’s campaigns in the Civil War, who had fought with the Chetniks in opposition to the Axis after 1941 and would soon be made the commanding General of the New White Army, and Maklakov’s right-hand man.

Breaking the Molotov Line, June 1945

The delay caused by the Molotov Line gave Patton’s logistics columns time to catch up to the armies that were extending further and further east. The Red Army, despite all the losses it had suffered in Poland and Romania, was far from beaten, and to deal a decisive blow the Allies desperately needed the respite. But Patton knew only one direction, and that was forward. No matter how well defended the Molotov Line was, Patton was sure his men could smash straight through it and begin a march on Moscow. But the Molotov Line would not be so easily smashed through, and after one bloody assault Truman ordered Patton to halt.

Instead of bloody frontal assaults, Supreme Allied Commander General Eisenhower decided to use the Allies’ incredible air supremacy, hard won by the battles fought in accordance with the Oil Plan, to smash the Molotov Line from above. A series of ‘bunker buster’ bombs, the most well known being the five ton ‘Tallboy’, had been developed through the war’s middle years for use against massive industrial targets, only for Germany to collapse before any were needed. Now the bombs would be used against the Molotov Line’s bunkers and heavy emplacements, hoping to destroy them with underground explosions.

Operation Moonscape began on June 22nd as nearly 10,000 bombers took off all across the front line. In an attempt to both confuse and overwhelm the defenders, some bombers were aimed at industrial cities such as Minsk, Kiev and Leningrad. Others were sent to bomb airfields, grounding the Soviet fighters and especially their formidable jets. Of the bombers sent to destroy the Molotov Line, only some carried bunker busters. Others carried incendiaries while yet more dropped regular high explosives. Even escort fighters, especially the heavily armed P-47s, attacked the Soviet concentrations on the ground, launching rockets at Soviet armour and anti-air guns. The bombardment lasted ten days, interrupted at times as the VVS attempted to destroy any aircraft they could. But against an onslaught representative of the USA’s immense industrial capabilities, the Molotov Line, and many of its defenders, were left reeling.

- BNC
 
Why do I have a feeling that the New White Coalition will be marred by disputes between those who favor a republic and those who want a constitutional monarchy under a Romanov pretender? Also, Denikin lived until 1948 IOTL, so maybe he could be a major figure in the New White Coalition, even if his role is mainly to give speeches and help rally White emigres due to his advanced age?
 
Well, the Allies have the doom turtle (T95) and Tortoise for a mobile bunker buster. Since they were planned to be used on the Siegfried line.
 
commieboo?

And if anyone is wondering, *AH.com's most asked question is "WI the Germans took Paris?", and the most popular answer something to the tune of "Axis win the war because Hitler and Stalin are the bestest of friends".
Wait, now I remember, they're called 'tankies', even more thematically appropriate ITTL given how they'll all be jerking off to the wolf tank.

*rolls eyes*.
 
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