Map Thread XVIII

[Petros >Peter Fergus<]

Not to further derail the map thread, but where do Scots-Irish sit in these sorts of things? The areas of the mid-Atlantic/mid-Appalachians they're typically associated with is usually just labelled "American" or "English" on the ancestry maps I've seen.

My understanding is that they've been calling themselves American for a long while.

 

[DracoLazarus]

What happens when you leave a bored Draco with a map of Europe.
A result of me trying to cut Europe in more or less equivalent "Regions" in a potential game.
Russia being the final boss, giving it small regions didn't matter, so...

 

[oofo]

Is that a nuke landing in Japser County, Indiana? What in God's name is worth striking there? I live not a stones throw away and there's like nothing there

I think it’s the bridges across the Wabash River around Lafayette.

I’m surprised that Barksdale airforce base isn’t marked, considering there are around 50 b-52s stationed there.

 

[Ivoshafen]

I think it’s the bridges across the Wabash River around Lafayette.

That would make sense. You from the Region?

 

[ByzantineCaesar]

Made a map in the A Song of Ice and Fire universe for my favorite house, the Darklyns of Duskendale:

I collected all those brushes online. The flag is an edited version of the Nilfgaard flag in The Witcher 3. Credit to a couple of names and inspiration goes to the AGOT mod for CK2.

 

[ETGalaxy]

What happens when you leave a bored Draco with a map of Europe.
A result of me trying to cut Europe in more or less equivalent "Regions" in a potential game.
Russia being the final boss, giving it small regions didn't matter, so...

This planned game sounds pretty interesting, especially with the mention of a final boss. What kind of game do you exactly have planned?

 

[DracoLazarus]

This planned game sounds pretty interesting, especially with the mention of a final boss. What kind of game do you exactly have planned?

Essentially, the players would be generals of Revolutionary France during the Revolutionary Wars.

 

[wtw]

Odd. You would think San Diego and other areas in their county would be counted as military targets, given they have the largest naval base in the world. Plus bases for the Marines, Coast Guards, and the San Diego Zoo. I presume pandas are considered vital targets.

San Diego is hit twice from what I can see

 

[wtw]

FINALLY. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A MAP LIKE THIS. I too was aware 'American' ancestry pre-1990 was almost entirely 'English' or 'British' in censuses, but having a visual makes it much more obvious.



If it helps, a recent post on reddit where someone did an updated ethnicity-by-county map using surveys from the past half-decade noted that English, Irish, and German were always within 1K-5K of each other in 90% of the counties (https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/9vzbg1/oc_european_ancestry_in_the_us/e9ge1zo/?context=1). People can correctly comment on Germaness being big in America, but so is Englishness and that revelation of 1K-5K within one another really belies how Anglo that American culture, and I suppose blood, still is to the present day.

You're welcome

 

[wtw]

Not to further derail the map thread, but where do Scots-Irish sit in these sorts of things? The areas of the mid-Atlantic/mid-Appalachians they're typically associated with is usually just labelled "American" or "English" on the ancestry maps I've seen.

My guess the English on these maps, I suppose they may have been to lazy to say British.

Also there are no Poles on the map unless its the other category

 

[wtw]

I think it’s the bridges across the Wabash River around Lafayette.

I’m surprised that Barksdale airforce base isn’t marked, considering there are around 50 b-52s stationed there.

Like I said its not a perfect map, the reason why I put it here was that it was brilliantly showing the various levels of lethality of fallout which for me was unique from what I have seen

 

[AstroRangerBeans]

World map, circa 2019

 

[Ivoshafen]

Well, here's Ivo trying to blot out bad feelings by making maps. My cat passed away today and I thought I could just draw it away.
Anywho, might come back to detail this map further, just an idea that kept me busy and at ease.

Here's to you, Spencer. He never would leave my Swiss flag alone on my wall, so, bit of a tribute.

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

Well, here's Ivo trying to blot out bad feelings by making maps. My cat passed away today and I thought I could just draw it away.
Anywho, might come back to detail this map further, just an idea that kept me busy and at ease.

Here's to you, Spencer. He never would leave my Swiss flag alone on my wall, so, bit of a tribute.

My sincere condolences for your cat. Drawing is a good way to cope with grief- particularly if the product is as excellent as that! Any background for how part of Switzerland ended up a monarchy but not the rest of it?

 

[Ivoshafen]

My sincere condolences for your cat. Drawing is a good way to cope with grief- particularly if the product is as excellent as that! Any background for how part of Switzerland ended up a monarchy but not the rest of it?

Well, thank you, that means a fair bit.

As of right now the background is something along the lines of somethingsomethingSonderbundWarsomethingsomething1840sRevolutionssomethingsomethingForeignInterventionsomethingsomethingPanGermanism

Kinda, the general idea is that the Sonderbund War is much more drawn out, lasting much longer, which eventually bleeds into the 1848 Revolutions in Germany and Austria. The Sonderbund elements end up making some rather impressive gains due to the Pan-German sentiment coming into their message. Past that, I am still working out all of the specifics, but as it stands, the Sonderbund War basically becomes a smaller part of the 1840s Revolutions. Its very much early bits of a work in progress.

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

Well, thank you, that means a fair bit.

As of right now the background is something along the lines of somethingsomethingSonderbundWarsomethingsomething1840sRevolutionssomethingsomethingForeignInterventionsomethingsomethingPanGermanism

Kinda, the general idea is that the Sonderbund War is much more drawn out, lasting much longer, which eventually bleeds into the 1848 Revolutions in Germany and Austria. The Sonderbund elements end up making some rather impressive gains due to the Pan-German sentiment coming into their message. Past that, I am still working out all of the specifics, but as it stands, the Sonderbund War basically becomes a smaller part of the 1840s Revolutions. Its very much early bits of a work in progress.

Thank you for causing me to learn what the Sonderbund War is. I know depressingly little about Swiss history.

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

So while I'm on vacation I've been mostly working on a cover of @TheScottishMongol 's excellent TL Guns, Germs, and Good Intentions which can (and should) be read at the link. The premise is that all of the Indian Reservations (still their official name alas) in the United States in 2018 are sent back in time by 600 years to 1418, 74 years before Columbus. My cover is a bit darker than the original, with far more contentious race relations between Native and Anglo uptimers, a couple of reservation governments in the hands of strongmen dictators, and several actively rogue states, but it's still moving in the direction of political unification and greater democracy.

Have a WIP.

 

[HeX]

~~ A More Perfect Union ~~
An Alternate History of the Land of the Free

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Thomas Jefferson was a troubled man. He ranked high in the society of Revolutionary Virginia, and in order to keep that status, he had to keep the most profitable property of the time: slaves. While the former president freed none of these slaves upon his death on the Fourth of July, he'd also spent a decent amount of time decrying the broken institution as a necessary evil. Like I said, he was a troubled man.

Jefferson was also an accomplished writer, penning perhaps one of the most influential documents of all time: the Declaration of Independence. This document broke down the transgressions committed against the Thirteen Colonies. However, one of these transgressions was deleted, one that blamed the "peculiar institution" of the would-be nation on the King of England--and vehemently disagreed with it being here. This was done to keep the delegates to the Continental Congress from South Carolina and Georgia on board with the whole deal, as they had threatened to walk if the passage wasn't removed.

But what if it wasn't? What if, in an alternate universe, Jefferson had insisted the condemnation of slavery be in the very document that created the United States of America? What were South Carolina and Georgia going to do about it? It wasn't as though the Declaration was the new nation's constitution--that would the the Articles of Confederation. And many people in those colonies did not want to stick around with the British. If Congress and political heads skirted the discussion of slavery, the passage could very well survive with the whole Union together... but a precedent had been set.

In this timeline, slavery falls out of fashion around the 1830s, as Eli Whitney does not invent the modern cotton gin. All slaves are freed, with pressure from the North, by 1838, with compensation paid to former owners by the government. Laws resembling OTL's "Jim Crow Laws" are quickly enacted in the South, leading up to a civil war in the late 1860s over equal rights, human rights, and states' rights. After the North wins, the Union becomes the world's arbiter of justice and freedom in a sea of empires and tyranny.

Of course, butterflies come out of these events. Big ones. And so, we leave off the world here for now, sitting at the edge of the greatest conflict ever in human history. It's the U.S. leading Germany, China, and Brazil into battle against Britain, France, Russia, and Spain. When the war begins, it will soon draw in every single nation on the planet--and all are forced to pick a side in the War to End All Wars... the Great War.

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Here's my last map for 2018. It's the brainchild of way too much time spent on APUSH homework, specifically two weeks of classes on slavery, the Civil War, and Reconstruction. Anyways, I'm hoping this'll become a fleshed-out timeline at some point. Is it 100% realistic? No. Is it trying to be? No. Sometimes realism takes a seat to storytelling, and that's what's happened here. Hope you enjoy.

 

[TheScottishMongol]

So while I'm on vacation I've been mostly working on a cover of @TheScottishMongol 's excellent TL Guns, Germs, and Good Intentions which can (and should) be read at the link. The premise is that all of the Indian Reservations (still their official name alas) in the United States in 2018 are sent back in time by 600 years to 1418, 74 years before Columbus. My cover is a bit darker than the original, with far more contentious race relations between Native and Anglo uptimers, a couple of reservation governments in the hands of strongmen dictators, and several actively rogue states, but it's still moving in the direction of political unification and greater democracy.

Have a WIP.

This is brilliant, I love the detail.

I will admit to having my thumb on the scales for this TL, but in my defense wanking is perfectly good for your health. But seriously, if things had swung in the wrong direction in a few key regions (or if I had been more pessimistic about race relations, admittedly) things would've turned out a lot more like this. I like what you've done with the concept and am interested to see what you do with the eastern half of the continent!

 

[Ivoshafen]

Thank you for causing me to learn what the Sonderbund War is. I know depressingly little about Swiss history.

Honestly, I didn't have much of an interest until I went there over this last summer. They actually have quite an intriguing history, one that can lead to a lot of cool PODs. Far past triumvirate options of "Switzerland is evil/Switzerland is normal/Switzerland is nonexistent" that most TLs seem to follow. I'm considering them for a candidate for my next TL actually

Past that though, you're welcome